Trump’s war on socialism will fail

[apdst]

She was hospitalized for a week and recovered.

It turned out not to be meningitis, and they never did find out what it was.

We were just so happy to have our little girl back, I was not as pissed.

If she had not recovered it would have been a different story, and we never received a bill...

Oh, si it wasn't quite as bad as you first made it out? Receiving treatment, that is.

You know, in England, where they have socialized medicine, they could have wrote your daughter off as a lost cause and there wouldn't have been jack **** you could've done about?

 

[Rogue Valley]

Oh, si it wasn't quite as bad as you first made it out? Receiving treatment, that is.

You know, in England, where they have socialized medicine, they could have wrote your daughter off as a lost cause and there wouldn't have been jack **** you could've done about?

Lol. So apdst, living in rural Louisiana, "knows" what would have happened in the UK. Amazing.

 

[iguanaman]

So the government needs to punish those that are successful.

Yeah, I think that's principally wrong and an incorrect reward for being successful.

If you punish those that are successful, fewer will do the extra work to be so, especially if they don't get compensated for it, or acre compensated for it but have to fork it over to the government.

Congrats, you've just added a stimulus to retard the growth of small / medium business which is the driver of, and highest employer in, the economy.



And how does this not contribute stimulate over all inflation? Wow, exactly?

Logic would seem to indicate that if you hike pay, costs of products and services dependent on those workers go up, increasing the prices of those products and services they contribute to, making other products and services have greater costs increasing their prices, and on it goes through the entire economy until everything evens back out to where it was, based on the markets. Seems common sense to me.

You want a confiscatory government? There are lots to chose from.

No need to force that into being here in the US just because you want it, as may others don't want it.

The "punishment" is not for being successful it is for taking too much income instead of investing it in your business and employees. Not many paid those top rates because they got the hint and also did not want another Great Depression. All that went out the window when Reaganomics glorified greed as a virtue and the wealthy were off to the races yet again.

 

[eohrnberger]

Eliminates your "mythical free market forces". Obviously, the only way to eliminate "free market forces" (mythical or otherwise) is to create a monopoly (or cartel) and then try to regulate (constrain?) the ultimate power of that monopoly (or cartel).

Which the Socialists appear to prefer, to live by the benevolence of the state.

I think that's backwards, the government should live by the benevolence of the electorate. After all, it is the electorate that is paying for government.

 

[apdst]

Lol. So apdst, living in rural Louisiana, "knows" what would have happened in the UK. Amazing.

Yeah, that's because I'm more informed than most of you people:

Baby Charlie Gard dies after life support withdrawn - CNN

 

[GDViking]

Oh, si it wasn't quite as bad as you first made it out? Receiving treatment, that is.

You know, in England, where they have socialized medicine, they could have wrote your daughter off as a lost cause and there wouldn't have been jack **** you could've done about?

We did not know that at the time, we were told if it was bacterial we needed to find out immediately as should could have as little as a couple hours tlo live without proper treatment.

So at that time it was really ****ing serious!

 

[braindrain]

The wall has nothing to do with national security.

All of the rights arguments are based on lies.

I don't doubt that you feel that way. To bad for you your opinion holds no real weight.

 

[braindrain]

The Constitution gives Congress the power to set income tax rates at whatever level, and for any reason, it sees fit

Hence why I didn't ask what gives congress the right. I asked you.

 

[braindrain]

Walls are no defense

By itself no. A wall supported by proper observation is a very effective defense. That is true no matter how much you wish it wasn't so.

 

[eohrnberger]

The "punishment" is not for being successful it is for taking too much income instead of investing it in your business and employees. Not many paid those top rates because they got the hint and also did not want another Great Depression. All that went out the window when Reaganomics glorified greed as a virtue and the wealthy were off to the races yet again.

Sorry, but those who are successful are earning their compensation, and not 'taking' it.

On the topic of greed, from someone who knew more about economics than you:


And further from the same person on Redistribution of Welath


So, no, sorry, but I'm going to buy into your ideologically driven incorrect assumptions and conclusions.

 

[Integrityrespec]

I just want the United States to be a moderate social democracy like the Nordic states. Is it really that hard?

Do you want to give the government 60% of your earnings in order to do this? That's what the socialist northern European nations do. Keep in mind they have very few people in those countries as well. Sweden 9 million, Norway 5 million, Finland 5 million, Denmark 5 million, and these are by far the most populus.

 

[Casca XV]

Trump’s war on socialism will fail



According to The New York Times, the richest 1% in the United States now own more wealth than the bottom 90 percent. Of the 1%, By the 1%, For the 1%.

Americans have grown tired of this absurd inequality. The Trump/GOP Party exacerbated this inequality via the 2017 TCJA tax-cut bonanza for the wealthy.

And yet Americas poorest 10% are richer than 90% of the rest of the world.

The Average Cubin makes $25 a day and yet the Castro Family are billionaires.

I'll take our Free Market wealth inequality any day of the year.

 

[OscarLevant]

There was a good bit of fallow interval between Buckley and the Tea Party ascendance however the dynamic you describe is spot on anyway. Yes, Buckley recognized the JBS as brainless knee jerk fundamentalist extremists and dealt them a harsh blow.

Liberals can deal them anything and everything but the harshest blows must come from their own fellow cons.
The Birchers have returned in earnest because they feel that the Tea Party wasn't...wait for it...PURE enough.

It's no different on the Left, just not quite as destructive to all life forms. The Left is whinging itself into paroxysms of self loathing and loosing of a "SJW inner fascist infection", which is the political equivalent of teen angst, sort of a conniption fit because the perfect boy band broke up.

But the thing is, alongside of that nonsense, real actual liberals are stretching their muscles.

The current GOP, in my view, the perfect metaphor is that the inmates have gained control of the asylum

 

[sangha]

I don't doubt that you feel that way. To bad for you your opinion holds no real weight.

I already know that facts hold no weight for right wingers

 

[sangha]

Hence why I didn't ask what gives congress the right. I asked you.

Just checking to see if you knew how stupid your question was.

Turns out, it wasn't stupid; it was dishonest

 

[sangha]

By itself no. A wall supported by proper observation is a very effective defense. That is true no matter how much you wish it wasn't so.

Still not true

 

[OscarLevant]

you should also be against welfare fraud no matter who does it. That is the sole reason we can't have a robust welfare system because people who don't need it abuse it.

Some will. But some will always abuse no matter what the program is. Some abuse power in office, do we kill offices?

It's the old "don't throw the baby out with the bath water" analogy.

no they are not social Democratic they are capitalistic. the reason why their welfare system seems to be much more functional than ours is because all of those Nations combined don't make up but a tiny fraction of the u.s.

There are problems with bigness, true, but so what? Why should that prevent us from adopting similar policies? In fact, their is broad public support for it.

but the problem here is a radical right wing preventing policies like those in the Nordic countries precisely because of their ASSUMPTION that we are too big for such things. The very idea is absurd.

And there is a culture within the Nordic countries the place high value on work ethic. Our culture in the US does not.

Is that why the average american worker puts in 47 hours per week?

And what do foreigners say about this?

6 American work habits people in other countries think are ridiculous | The Independent

 

[RooseveltTruman]

Having lots of money is "undemocratic"? And I have desire to live in those countries nor emulate them.

Having millions or even billions of dollars by itself is not necessarily undemocratic, but the hyper-rich frequently use their obscene wealth to rig the political system in their favor (whether it be by rolling back environmental regulations or by purchasing tax cuts for themselves that lead to a "starve the beast" situation where welfare spending has to be cut to make up for lost revenue). This damages democracy as well as people's faith in it.

 

[CLAX1911]

Some will. But some will always abuse no matter what the program is.

the fact that there are more people that abused it in the United States is the reason why it's not as robust as it is in Sweden Denmark or Norway that forever will be it can't be. there are too many freeloaders because our culture allows that. Nordic culture does not.

Some abuse power in office, do we kill offices?

what is killing offices that doesn't make sense to me.

It's the old "don't throw the baby out with the bath water" analogy.

what did I say we should be thrown out?

There are problems with bigness, true, but so what? Why should that prevent us from adopting similar policies?

we haven't the money for it. And if you rip everyone off in taxes to pay for it they won't learn the money anymore. Working as a slave to the government as hard as you would have to to make 80 to $120,000 a year is not going to fly for most people I certainly wouldn't do it.

In fact, their is broad public support for it.

imagine that broad's public support for free stuff. how much broad public support do you think would be for the incredible tax hike you would need?

but the problem here is a radical right wing preventing policies like those in the Nordic countries precisely because of their ASSUMPTION that we are too big for such things. The very idea is absurd.

if the right-wing has this power you either need to take it from them which will be essentially setting up a dictatorship or you need to convince them. Just saying that it's absurd is not going to convince anybody.

Is that why the average american worker puts in 47 hours per week?

the problem isn't with workers. the freeloaders who don't work and therefore aren't included in that average at all of the problem.

And what do foreigners say about this?

6 American work habits people in other countries think are ridiculous | The Independent

Have you ever tried to get a job with an international company that hires from all countries? That's the question I asked and you did not answer. I'm not clicking on your link because it couldn't be less relevant.

I have tried to get jobs with companies abroad so I know how they view the American worker. have you or do you get all your information from opinion blogs on the internet?

 

[Bum]

No, parasitic relationships can be symbiotic

parasite | Definition of parasite in English by Oxford Dictionaries

Please show us all where parasitic is the same as symbiotic;

from your link.....

parasite


noun

1
An organism that lives in or on an organism of another species (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense.
Parasites exist in huge variety and include animals, plants, and microorganisms. They may live as ectoparasites on the surface of the host (e.g. arthropods such as ticks, mites, lice, fleas, and many insects infesting plants) or as endoparasites in the gut or tissues (e.g. many kinds of worm), and cause varying degrees of damage or disease to the host
‘the parasite attaches itself to the mouths of fishes’

‘an intestinal parasite of cattle’

Parasitic is not the same as symbiotic.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

Having millions or even billions of dollars by itself is not necessarily undemocratic, but the hyper-rich frequently use their obscene wealth to rig the political system in their favor (whether it be by rolling back environmental regulations or by purchasing tax cuts for themselves that lead to a "starve the beast" situation where welfare spending has to be cut to make up for lost revenue). This damages democracy as well as people's faith in it.

Why not just improve anti-corruption laws instead of going after their wealth? You just said basically that the problem isnt really the wealth, but how they use it to corrupt the government. Tale away the wealth and the corruption will still exist, except now the government is hedging liberty making it even easier to corrupt the government.

 

[braindrain]

I already know that facts hold no weight for right wingers

Your opinion is not a fact. No matter how much you wish it was. I know that's painful for you to hear but there it is.

 

[braindrain]

Just checking to see if you knew how stupid your question was.

Turns out, it wasn't stupid; it was dishonest

Thank you for proving you have no real argument so instead have to just spew insults.

 

[braindrain]

Still not true

Is that why walls are almost always used when ever an area needs to be secured

You bias is causing you to appear delusional.

 

[sangha]

Please show us all where parasitic is the same as symbiotic;

from your link.....

parasite


noun

1
An organism that lives in or on an organism of another species (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense.
Parasites exist in huge variety and include animals, plants, and microorganisms. They may live as ectoparasites on the surface of the host (e.g. arthropods such as ticks, mites, lice, fleas, and many insects infesting plants) or as endoparasites in the gut or tissues (e.g. many kinds of worm), and cause varying degrees of damage or disease to the host
‘the parasite attaches itself to the mouths of fishes’

‘an intestinal parasite of cattle’

Parasitic is not the same as symbiotic.

They aren't the same