Trump’s Son Met With Russian Lawyer After Being Promised Damaging Informat **[W:1595]

[Senator Easy]

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How about a War with someone? The Media. Hillary, Obama and Lynch? Maybe Putin can use my Disability housing voucher to hire some more political terrorists? Once they illegally remove the Affordable Care Act, these corporatists can quadruple the U.S. Debts and sell us all off to Putin, China and the Saudis...again...

Corporatism is a Far Right Wing Practice that deliberately undermines Free Market Capitalism, they are stealing more food stamps, medicaid, medicare, and disability housing vouchers to insure more GOP Red State Voter Purging

Bring Our Troops home, Protect and Defend the American People

 

[Rexedgar]

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I'm uninterested in your understanding of debate. You might consider whether I'm aiming at more sophisticated participants.

Sure you are. Your posts reek of 'sophistication!' Pray tell me your definition of debate, why do you suppose it is in the name of this forum? Pinky extended, Jack!

 

[Jack Hays]

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Sure you are. Your posts reek of 'sophistication!' Pray tell me your definition of debate, why do you suppose it is in the name of this forum? Pinky extended, Jack!

Debate is the exchange of information and opinion. In theory the goal is resolution of a question, but in reality that rarely happens.

 

[yankintx]

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Trump didn't get (wasn't even offered) a "packet" (of dirt on Hillary), it was reported the Russian lawyer didn't have anything, all she wanted to do was talk about the unfairness of the Magnitsky Act, Junior, Kushner and Manafort spent their time at the meeting trying to get restrictions against Russian adoptions (imposed in reprisal for the Magnitsky Act) lifted.

Cite please?

According to your logic, as Junior got nothing from the meeting, he is in the clear.

 

[Threegoofs]

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Sure you are. Your posts reek of 'sophistication!'

TBH, I can only partially agree with this sentence. [emoji23]

 

[Plus Ultra]

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Cite please?

According to your logic, as Junior got nothing from the meeting, he is in the clear.

No, I think even if Junior did get any dirt on Hillary from this Russian lawyer, he'd still be "in the clear", you see, in a claim of collusion one has to show there was something exchanged, that Junior promised the Russian lawyer anything in return, for example that Trump would repeal the Magnitsky Act.

The media seems obsessed with this claim of Russian collusion, so far every Russian who ever comes into contact with anyone with any possible connection to Trump is described as an agent, spy or sent by the Russian government, every one of them presumed to proffer help to get Trump elected, but we haven't heard anything about what Trump proffered in exchange for their help.

I've noticed Trump has treated Russia quite poorly, at first I thought this could be because he didn't want it to appear like he was returning any favors, that he would eventually lift sanctions, withdraw from Syria, recognize Crimea as part of Russia, pull back NATO from Poland or the Baltics, just wait until the dust settled a bit.

Instead, from day one Trump has been rather belligerent towards Russia and at every turn he favors the option that is most adverse to Putin; bombs ally Assad's airbases and tank convoys, shoots down his jets, continues support to the insurgents and Kurds, invites Poroshenko to the White House and expresses solidarity denouncing Russian intervention and enhancing sanctions, sends NATO reinforcements to the Baltics and Poland.

 

[yankintx]

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No, I think even if Junior did get any dirt on Hillary from this Russian lawyer, he'd still be "in the clear", you see, in a claim of collusion one has to show there was something exchanged, that Junior promised the Russian lawyer anything in return, for example that Trump would repeal the Magnitsky Act.

The media seems obsessed with this claim of Russian collusion, so far every Russian who ever comes into contact with anyone with any possible connection to Trump is described as an agent, spy or sent by the Russian government, every one of them presumed to proffer help to get Trump elected, but we haven't heard anything about what Trump proffered in exchange for their help.

I've noticed Trump has treated Russia quite poorly, at first I thought this could be because he didn't want it to appear like he was returning any favors, that he would eventually lift sanctions, withdraw from Syria, recognize Crimea as part of Russia, pull back NATO from Poland or the Baltics, just wait until the dust settled a bit.

Instead, from day one Trump has been rather belligerent towards Russia and at every turn he favors the option that is most adverse to Putin; bombs ally Assad's airbases and tank convoys, shoots down his jets, continues support to the insurgents and Kurds, invites Poroshenko to the White House and expresses solidarity denouncing Russian intervention and enhancing sanctions, sends NATO reinforcements to the Baltics and Poland.

According to the law, no it does not. This revelation undoes the narrative that the WH has pushed for 6 months. There was contact. The Trumps lied, again.

 

[j-mac]

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But Clinton!!!

It is revealing that the only defense you can come up with is that Trump is as bad as Hillary (a woman Trump insisted should be thrown in jail)

So, we are only supposed to consider a campaign working with a foreign entity to gather dirt on the opponent when it is the republican candidate doing such? is that right?

 

[cabse5]

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I must have missed the Bush family connection to the 41st Administration or the 43rd Administration. And the Clinton reference means what? Yes the father and son (Bushes) served as CinC, bookending the Clinton Admin.

If you aren't referring to nepotism, what are you referring to?

 

[cabse5]

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The thing about this administration...there is always something else.

So says the liberal. Now who's interfering with government?

 

[Plus Ultra]

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According to the law, no it does not. This revelation undoes the narrative that the WH has pushed for 6 months. There was contact. The Trumps lied, again.

What law?

Show us where it says a candidate is forbidden from receiving (not even accepting) mere offers (nothing actual or tangible) of help.

 

[sangha]

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So, we are only supposed to consider a campaign working with a foreign entity to gather dirt on the opponent when it is the republican candidate doing such? is that right?

No, that is not right

You are only supposed to pretend I said things I did not say so you can retain some semblence of a reason to keep posting proof of the rights incessant need to portray itself as victims

 

[j-mac]

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No, that is not right

You are only supposed to pretend I said things I did not say so you can retain some semblence of a reason to keep posting proof of the rights incessant need to portray itself as victims

That sure seems like what you are implying....

 

[yankintx]

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What law?

Show us where it says a candidate is forbidden from receiving (not even accepting) mere offers (nothing actual or tangible) of help.

You obviously missed the MANY posts already posted on this very thread detailing which laws have been broken. Did you read them, and comprehend the law? Or do we need to break it down further for Trumpsters?


No one on my staff had any dealings with Russia-D J Trump

Lying POS

 

[danarhea]

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No. The original discussion was about National Guard firing on lefties. I fear it could happen again, and I gave an example. The Scalise shooting illustrates the appetite for confrontation right now.

Rather than an appetite for confrontation, it looks to me like someone just snapped. It was one person who shot Scalise, not an organized group.

 

[Jack Hays]

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Rather than an appetite for confrontation, it looks to me like someone just snapped. It was one person who shot Scalise, not an organized group.

Please see #1595.

 

[beefheart]

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So says the liberal. Now who's interfering with government?

Stick to the topic, not to the posters. Seems you have no argument left...

 

[Plus Ultra]

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No one on my staff had any dealings with Russia-D J Trump

Collusion and "dealings" are not the same thing. Dealings could include collusion, but not all dealings are collusion. Collusion is an agreement in the manner of a conspiracy, to achieve an illicit end.

In the matter at hand it is claimed Trump (or his minions) illicitly secured the assistance of the Russian government to win the election.

That "assistance" Trump (or his minions) purportedly secured from Putin (or the Russian government) was the staggered publication of highly detrimental email correspondence documenting Hillary's undenied campaign malfeasances.

I do not deny highly detrimental emails from Hillary and her campaign crew were disclosed (I don't know if that was the work of Russians).

What I have yet to find is that the disclosure of those nefarious (to Hillary) emails was due to a colluded arrangement with Russia by Trump.

 

[Plus Ultra]

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Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA):

“(I)t is clear the Kremlin got the message that Donald Trump welcomed the help of the Russian government in providing dirt on Hillary Clinton. This was true not only because Donald Jr. said he would love such help, and, even if we are to believe his account of the meeting, expressed great dismay that he didn’t receive the damaging information he was promised, but also because candidate Trump himself made very clear his desire that the Russian government hack Hillary Clinton’s emails, saying they would be richly rewarded. Indeed that has proved all too true.” Schiff: ‘Another Deeply Disturbing Fact’ Revealed In Trump Jr. Meeting – Talking Points Memo

Schiff is “the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee” (and evidently quite a moron too). There is nothing extraordinary in a candidate welcoming dirt on a rival contender. What remains to be seen is how the Russian government was “richly rewarded”. That, and only that, would be evidence of collusion. It does not suffice to show Russians obtained evidence of Hillary’s wrongdoing, and that they provided this evidence to Trump, or even that he (or they) used such evidence against Hillary –we need to see how Trump promised Russia would be “richly” (or even miserably) rewarded.

 

[Excon]

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You just omitted telling the truth, ...

And again you are wrong. Go figure. :shrug:

... also I said it was lying by omission IMHO (so it is just my opinion).

And?
iLOL

You never heard that opinions can be wrong? Ooooookkkkkkkaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy! Doh!

 

[yankintx]

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Collusion and "dealings" are not the same thing. Dealings could include collusion, but not all dealings are collusion. Collusion is an agreement in the manner of a conspiracy, to achieve an illicit end.

In the matter at hand it is claimed Trump (or his minions) illicitly secured the assistance of the Russian government to win the election.

That "assistance" Trump (or his minions) purportedly secured from Putin (or the Russian government) was the staggered publication of highly detrimental email correspondence documenting Hillary's undenied campaign malfeasances.

I do not deny highly detrimental emails from Hillary and her campaign crew were disclosed (I don't know if that was the work of Russians).

What I have yet to find is that the disclosure of those nefarious (to Hillary) emails was due to a colluded arrangement with Russia by Trump.

The way this is unraveling, we will all know soon enough. Its in everyone's best interest, no matter what your political leanings, to find out to what extent did they/Russians influence our elections. Political dirty tricks have been around as long as man, but an outside foreign power being used, if that is the case, should alarm everyone.

 

[Peter King]

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And again you are wrong. Go figure. :shrug:


And?
iLOL

You never heard that opinions can be wrong? Ooooookkkkkkkaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy! Doh!

Lying by omission is a reality and lets be honest, Trump Junior is a disgusting piece of work for trying to collaborate with the Russians to get his daddy to win. Sad!

 

[Excon]

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Lying by omission is a reality and lets be honest, Trump Junior is a disgusting piece of work for trying to collaborate with the Russians to get his daddy to win. Sad!

iLOL
1. There was no lying by omission.
Your inability to accept that is your problem.

2. Trying to collaborate? iLOL
You are assuming facts not in evidence to suggest such nonsense.
And even if they had been provided actual information, accepting information from a third party is not collaborating.

Wrong.
Amending it does not mean you lied.

It's not only that Jr. lied by omitting it--but ...

And again.

Wrong.
Amending it does not mean you lied.​

What exactly did you not understand about that?

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... this meeting was brought up once before & here is what Kellyanne Conway had to say about it.


Trump Jr. met with Russian lawyer after previously denying any contact - Business Insider

This is very typical of the Trump administration--it's fake news--it's a lie--there's nothing here--it's a nothing burger--until they get caught, then it's lie about what meeting about--(Russian adoptions)--then it's get caught again--have to change to story to the meeting was about getting dirt on Hillary Clinton--and THEN be forced to release emails to avoid the New York Times or other news source from releasing them.

Then they start all over again and tell us nothing is there--View attachment 67220009

 

[Threegoofs]

Trump’s Son Met With Russian Lawyer After Being Promised Damaging Informat **[W:1595]

iLOL
1. There was no lying by omission.
Your inability to accept that is your problem.

2. Trying to collaborate? iLOL
You are assuming facts not in evidence to suggest such nonsense.
And even if they had been provided actual information, accepting information from a third party is not collaborating.




And again.

Wrong.
Amending it does not mean you lied.​

What exactly did you not understand about that?

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:lamo
No. She didn't lie.

Twitter

 

[bicycleman]

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I have a feeling that Trump will be responsible for a return to record high employment numbers, just as he claimed he would deliver during his campaign. Unfortunately, that will be due exclusively to all the staff and lawyers Robert Mueller will have to hire in order to investigate the Trump administration.

So actually, Mueller is doing nothing in the investigation. He delegates his work down, while he remains the figurehead, who knows very little, only what his underlings deem to feed him.