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Trump’s obvious decline

JohnfrmClevelan said:
"Call your lawyers and tell them to march to the Capitol"?

There are some people here on DP that are far, far up trump's rear end, but you may be the champ.
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There are many ways to fight.

You should look up how many in the Civil Rights movement fought without violence.
 
LouC said:
One time he mentioned being peaceful, just one time in the culmination of that riot inciting rally speech, whereas, during that speech he invoked the BLATANT LIE before the followers listening to him that "their" Country was being "stolen" from them and that they must "fight" to take it back!

He stoked their anger with anti Congress inveigled violent rhetoric.

He incited them to "fight" doing so 25 times in that speech.

PEACE MENTIONED = 1 TIME by Trump

FIGHT METIONED = 25 TIMES by Trump

What command(s) did the rally crowd follow?
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And the reality is that his inciting actually began well before that day. It actually began before the election had even taken place. It’s the totality of all of it, beginning before the election had even taken place.

It’s what led up to that day. That day just fueled it further.

They were already whipped into a frenzy believing his lies/hoax that the election was stolen.

Not hard to comprehend that there would not have even been a “Stop the Steal” if not for his having brainwashed them into believing it was stolen.
 
Emlee said:
And the reality is that the inciting actually began well before that day. It actually began before the election had even taken place.

It’s what led up to that day. That day just fueled it further.

They were already whipped into a frenzy believing his lies/hoax that the election was stolen.

Not hard to comprehend that there would not have been a “Stop the Steal” if not for his having brainwashed them into believing it was stolen.
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Absolutely! That rally to riot was the final culmination of months of election theft lies and crazy conspiracy spreading efforts of Trump and company in a nonstop onslaught of evil.
 
LouC said:
Absolutely! That rally to riot was the final culmination of months of election theft lies and crazy conspiracy spreading efforts of Trump and company in a nonstop onslaught of evil.
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When Trump apologists talk about the attempted autogolpe, they prefer to limit the conversation to January 6th.
 
Girlpower said:
Well you should be use to this after four years of Biden.

You had no problem keeping him in power.
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Biden was half senile by his 4th year in office and had no business running for reelection. If that is your comparison, it is a pretty damning one. The thing about cognitive decline, is that it is relative to your cognitive reserve. The more intelligent you are when you enter into cognitive decline, the more good years you have before it is an issue. This is why Henry Kissinger was sharp despite his advanced age. Biden has never been the smartest guy in Washington, but it is a pretty damn low hill to climb to start out brighter than Trump. If someone is stupid to begin with, like Trump, and then enter into obvious cognitive decline, there is little cognitive reserve to blunt the impacts of their cognitive decline.
 
Girlpower said:
How much time did he serve in prison for it since it was proven?
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It was a civil matter, not a criminal one.... kind of like the courts that have determined he committed sexual assault, multiple instances of fraud and insurrection. That said, as you know, he also has criminal convictions, but has served no time. Serving time is not the measure of a court determination, but a particular punishment available to the courts,
 
HenryChinaski said:
Biden successfully passed a multi-billion dollar bipartisan infrastructure bill to improve American roads, airports, water delivery systems, bridges, Internet infrastructure which creates 15 million jobs over a decade.
The DOT celebrated the creation of over 1.7 million construction and manufacturing jobs and the Department of the Interior states that the law created over 28000 jobs and contributed 3.3 billion the the economy.
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And after he passed that how did it work out?

Airplane accidents increased didn't they?

Are your roads repaired yet?

There was no infrastructure improvement, all that money is being poured into stupid green energy projects.
 
upsideguy said:
It was a civil matter, not a criminal one.... kind of like the courts that have determined he committed sexual assault, multiple instances of fraud and insurrection.
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Why wasn't it criminal if there is proof?
 
ALiberalModerate said:
It can be a sign of pending organ failure. Trump doesn't appear to be in that poor of physical condition.
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What about his bruising plus his edema?

Airyaman

Thread 'Is President Trump retaining fluid?'

Or does he just have those infamous "cankles" that MAGA used to mock Hillary Clinton about?

Either way, his rapid transformation into Jabba the Hut is going on before our very eyes.

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And why is the right ankle much bigger than the left?
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Girlpower said:
Why wasn't it criminal if there is proof?
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The these matters that fact had to be established that he was responsible in order to move on the the consequence. In Colorado, he had to be proven to have participated in insurrection in order to remove him from the ballot. In the Jean Carroll case, it had to be proven that he committed sexual assault for the consequences of defamation.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...ver_District_Court/11_17_2023 Final Order.pdf
https://www.cpr.org/2023/12/19/colorado-supreme-court-disqualifies-trump-from-ballot/
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-719_19m2.pdf
 
Girlpower said:
I've already addressed this.

The riot was pre-planned, Trump had nothing to do with it other than his speech being a rallying point for those that were going to do it.

Trump told them to protest peacefully.

Trump had nothing to do with it.
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Will be wild.
 
Girlpower said:
He meant to fight legally.

Did he ever tell them to use violence?
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Ok fine, thread's already been hijacked lol. Here then:

- Trump knew prior to 1/6 that his stolen election claims were lies and that he lost the election. That's according to eyewitness testimony under oath.
- Trump knew that some people in the crowd were armed with deadly weapons including firearms. That's according to eyewitness testimony under oath.
- Trump knew that some people in the crowd intended to commit violence. His own FBI knew it for a month prior to 1/6. That's a matter of public record.
- Trump knew the violence was going on when he sent an inflammatory Tweet about Mike Pence during the violence, recklessly (if not deliberately) putting his own Vice President's life in danger. That's a matter of public record.
- Trump sat on his fat ass "gleefully" watching his violent handiwork unfold on live TV while his aides and even close family members begged for him to tell the crowd to stop. That's according to eyewitness testimony.
- Only after the violence subsided, he told them to go home and that he understands how they feel.

It's understandable if your news sources didn't mention any of these things.

Also, you asked earlier why he didn't spend any time in prison for it? He was probably going to, until y'all re-elected his criminal traitorous ass for another four years and he had the cases quashed.
 
ALiberalModerate said:
Biden was half senile by his 4th year in office and had no business running for reelection. If that is your comparison, it is a pretty damning one. The thing about cognitive decline, is that it is relative to your cognitive reserve. The more intelligent you are when you enter into cognitive decline, the more good years you have before it is an issue. This is why Henry Kissinger was sharp despite his advanced age. Biden has never been the smartest guy in Washington, but it is a pretty damn low hill to climb to start out brighter than Trump. If someone is stupid to begin with, like Trump, and then enter into obvious cognitive decline, there is little cognitive reserve to blunt the impacts of their cognitive decline.
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As someone trained in medicine your assessment is completely wrong.

Respectfully.

Intelligence has no bearing on cognitive decline or it's effects.

When a person begins losing brain function it doesn't matter how smart you are.

When your brain can't process information it can't process it regardless.
 
upsideguy said:
The these matters that fact had to be established that he was responsible in order to move on the the consequence. In Colorado, he had to be proven to have participated in insurrection in order to remove him from the ballot. In the Jean Carroll case, it had to be proven that he committed sexual assault for the consequences of defamation.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/02nd_Judicial_District/Denver_District_Court/11_17_2023 Final Order.pdf
https://www.cpr.org/2023/12/19/colorado-supreme-court-disqualifies-trump-from-ballot/
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-719_19m2.pdf
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So there wasn't enough proof that it happened is what you are saying.
 
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