Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman Revisited

[Excon]

Don't you know that Excon knows more than a medical examiner:



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1. This isn't about me. Sop you need to stop such attempts unless you want to be reported.
2. iLOL The ME was shown to be wrong, and totally destroyed by the expert forensics witness.
3. And as already pointed out, the actual injury sustained matters not.

 

[Vox]

Please detail the evidence that Zimmerman was ATTACKED.

his wounds show he was in a fight. Not that he was attacked.

Eyewitness and earwitnesses also ONLY confirm he was in a fight.. not that he was attacked.

Forensics did not show that he was attacked. In fact he claimed that martin tried to get his gun.. but the only DNA found on the grip was Zimmermans.

the evidence shows that Martin fled.. martin was pursued by Zimmerman.. Zimmerman tells the dispatcher that he is following him. Pursuing him down a dark neighborhood. In his words.. an "a hole".. "that is always getting away".

The evidence does not support that Zimmerman suffered any blows that would lead someone to believe they were in imminent danger of death or grave injury. Especially someone who trained MMA for over a year such as Zimmerman.

The evidence supports that Zimmerman KNEW that help was on the way.

So get serious..

Really.
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I'm quite serious.

None of what you just said is true. The trial evidence, in fact, proved otherwise.

Zimmerman's wounds were consistent with his testimony and witness testimony was consistent with his testimony.

Absence of Martin's DNA on the gun proves only that Zimmerman was able to fend off Martin's hand with his left hand while drawing the gun with his right hand.

Any time.....ANY time your head is being banged against concrete by someone on top of you it is OBJECTIVELY a LIFE-THREATENING situation.......FULLY justifying use of deadly force.

You can twist the facts and run forever, but you can't hide from the facts proven by the trial and exoneration of George Zimmerman.

And we subsequently found that Martin's school and police records revealed him as a violent thief.

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[sear]

"Please detail the evidence that Zimmerman was ATTACKED.
his wounds show he was in a fight. Not that he was attacked.
Eyewitness and earwitnesses also ONLY confirm he was in a fight.. not that he was attacked.
Forensics did not show that he was attacked. In fact he claimed that martin tried to get his gun.. but the only DNA found on the grip was Zimmermans." j1 #231

iirc Z's scalp was cut on the back of his head, as it would likely be if Z had been knocked to the ground while face to face.

Z probably weighed more than TM. So we might expect Z to have been the one to inflict wounds to back of head.

But that's still inconclusive.

Z told police dispatch that TM turned to run, to put distance between himself and Z.
That is not consistent with an aggressor.
If TM was the aggressor, then why did he wait?

Zimmerman: Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out, he's got
something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is.

If TM was the aggressor, Why didn't TM simply continue to close, and assault Z there and then?

No.

TM knew he was being spied on.
TM knew he was being night-stalked.
There's no evidence Z properly identified himself when Z confronted TM.
And there's ample evidence Z conformed to other basic standards:
- not being armed
- patrolling in groups
- etc.

PS
"And if Z was anywhere near the hero you portray him to be, then why aren't police departments across the nation in a unanimous clamor, out-bidding one another to hire him?

They are not.
Have you no idea why not?" s #229
Not ONE Zimmerman defender willing to even address this?
Too embarrassed?

 

[Vox]

Dr. Valerie Rao, the Jacksonville, Fla., medical examiner for Duval, Clay and Nassau counties, testified that she reviewed Zimmerman’s photographs and medical records.
The wounds displayed on Zimmerman’s head and face were “consistent with one strike, two injuries at one time,” she testified. “The injuries were not life-threatening,” she said, adding they were “very insignificant.”

Which PROVES that Zimmerman's head was being pounded on that concrete surface and that fact makes it a life-threatening situation.

See......at that point you don't wait for your head to take more damage until it becomes a life losing situation.......you don't wait until your brains are oozing out of the back of your head......you use lethal force to save your life.

Which is the reason that Zimmerman was exonerated and justifiable homicide was the decision rendered.

This is all said and done and decided......what you are trying to do is change it.

You can't.

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[year2late]

1. This isn't about me. Sop you need to stop such attempts unless you want to be reported.
2. iLOL The ME was shown to be wrong, and totally destroyed by the expert forensics witness.
3. And as already pointed out, the actual injury sustained matters not.

It becomes about you when you insist you know more than physicians.:lamo

 

[jaeger19]

1. This isn't about me. Sop you need to stop such attempts unless you want to be reported.
2. iLOL The ME was shown to be wrong, and totally destroyed by the expert forensics witness.
3. And as already pointed out, the actual injury sustained matters not.

You need to relax..

You made claims as to what happened to Zimmerman..

And I pointed out that a medical examiner disagrees with your opinion.

and the actual injury sustains matters a lot to the credibility of what Zimmerman said happened.

 

[Vox]

"And if Z was anywhere near the hero you portray him to be, then why aren't police departments across the nation in a unanimous clamor, out-bidding one another to hire him?

They are not.
Have you no idea why not?"
Not ONE Zimmerman defender willing to even address this?

Because your question is too stupid to be taken seriously.

No police department is going to hire a man under death threat from angry lynch mobs and the Black Panthers.

Same problem that Darren Wilson and his wife (both already cops) had.......you can't bring that situation to a police job and expect to be able to function as a cop.......even excellent cops like Wilson and his wife.

Get serious and quit flailing around with these silly and specious arguments.

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[Vox]

You need to relax..

You made claims as to what happened to Zimmerman..

And I pointed out that a medical examiner disagrees with your opinion.

and the actual injury sustains matters a lot to the credibility of what Zimmerman said happened.

Only the medical examiner didn't disagree, the medical examiner verified the head injury.

Try as you may to twist that around......it's a fact and you are wrong.

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[jaeger19]

Which PROVES that Zimmerman's head was being pounded on that concrete surface and that fact makes it a life-threatening situation.

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Actually it doesn't prove that his head was "being pounded on that concrete and that makes it a life threatening situation.

His injuries were insignificant according to the medical examiner. Which means that he was not sustaining forces EVEN APPROACHING a life threatening situation.

If you are getting struck repeatedly and hard.. you are going to have broken teeth, facial edema, broken zygomatic arch, facial bruising, cut lips, lacerated cheekbones. NOW.. NONE of those injuries are life threatening.. and they are certainly NOT going to cause "brains oozing out of your head"... but.. THEY ARE indicative that you are getting hit with force.. and for an untrained person.. they MIGHT believe that they are in actual danger of death or grave injury.

Zimmerman DIDN"T EVEN HAVE THAT.

This is the evidence. and its not evidence of "your head being pounded on concrete and making it life threatening"..

You are trying to change medical facts..

You can't.

 

[Vox]

Did you read the post you quoted, I agreed. In fact I have said it several times in this thread.

So what leg do I not have left to stand on?

Except......you didn't agree.

You pretended that Zimmerman had no right to shoot when he obviously did.

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[jaeger19]

Only the medical examiner didn't disagree, the medical examiner verified the head injury.

Try as you may to twist that around......it's a fact and you are wrong.

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No. the medical examiner verified a laceration.. and declared all his injuries insignificant.

 

[jaeger19]

Except......you didn't agree.

You pretended that Zimmerman had no right to shoot when he obviously did.

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Except all the evidence indicates that he had no right to shoot.

All the evidence indicates that MARTIN was the one that had the right to use deadly force.

 

[Vox]

No. the medical examiner verified a laceration.. and declared all his injuries insignificant.

Exactly.

If lacerations to the back of his head were verified, it proved his head was being slammed into the concrete.

That proves OBJECTIVELY and CONCLUSIVELY and MEDICALLY that it was a life-threatening situation.

Which is another of the many things responsible for Zimmerman being exonerated at trial.

You can't change the facts. Why keep beating your own head against a brick wall?

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[Vox]

Except all the evidence indicates that he had no right to shoot.

All the evidence indicates that MARTIN was the one that had the right to use deadly force.

No, the evidence (lacerations to the back of Zimmerman's head and witness testimony) proved that Zimmerman had the right to use deadly force.

That's why Zimmerman was exonerated at his trial.......it's all a done deal and legal conclusion.

You can't change that fact.......you can only whine and pretend that something else happened.

You impress no one.

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[year2late]

Oh,I get that.

I am "ok" with the self defense justification. Even though his injuries were more "boo boos" that life threatening.

Just saying that I do not feel bad for any of Zimmermans issues that have happened after the shooting. He was trying to be some sort of neighborhood hero and started following a kid walking down the street in the dark. Just another idiot with bad judgement with a gun.

A gun can be a useful tool. But in the hands of a useless tool....it gives that person (like you said a "cupcake") a feeling of empowerment. empowerment without judgement rarely plays out well.

Sorry, he had two small lacs and a broken nose.

If you think that is "luck he got out alive" you being silly.

If his head had been slammed with great force.....the injuries would look a bit different. Head slammed repeatedly into concrete with great force looks a bit different.

Not disputing that the MMA cupcake felt as if his life was in danger and was justified using his gun.....

And casing? Was his phone a camera as well? He had the ability to have pictures of the casing.

Was there any evidence showing he was on someone's property looking for a way in?

Except......you didn't agree.

You pretended that Zimmerman had no right to shoot when he obviously did.

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Read the bolded. I have said it several times in this thread..

 

[sear]

"Because your question is too stupid to be taken seriously.

No police department is going to hire a man under death threat from angry lynch mobs and the Black Panthers.

Same problem that Darren Wilson and his wife (both already cops) had.......you can't bring that situation to a police job and expect to be able to function as a cop.......even excellent cops like Wilson and his wife.

Get serious and quit flailing around with these silly and specious arguments." V #257

a) It's not an argument. It was a question.

b) How can a question be specious?

c) Zimmerman needs a means of support. Where's he getting his $money?

Would you have us all believe Zimmerman hasn't worked since he shot TM dead?

Or instead would you have us believe that other employers are willing to employ him, but that police departments are uniquely and universally unable to endure the adversity you allege; but other employers can?

The emperor has no clothes.

 

[jaeger19]

Exactly.

If lacerations to the back of his head were verified, it proved his head was being slammed into the concrete.

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Nope.. it does not prove that "his head was being slammed into the concrete".

That proves OBJECTIVELY and CONCLUSIVELY and MEDICALLY that it was a life-threatening situation.

Yeah.. not at all.

It shows objectively and medically that he was not sustaining forces consistent with even CLOSE to a life threatening situation and that it was not consistent to what Zimmerman was stating.

 

[Excon]

It becomes about you when you insist you know more than physicians.:lamo

1. Wrong as usual. Straw-man much?
2. It was the expert forensics Forensic Pathologist Dr. Vincent DiMaio which destroyed her observations.

 

[Vox]

a) It's not an argument. It was a question.

b) How can a question be specious?

c) Zimmerman needs a means of support. Where's he getting his $money?

Would you have us all believe Zimmerman hasn't worked since he shot TM dead?

Or instead would you have us believe that other employers are willing to employ him, but that police departments are uniquely and universally unable to endure the adversity you allege; but other employers can?

I don't care what you believe.

Yes, your question was an argument........a slur against Zimmerman (who did no wrong.)

None of your business where he works. He has to stay in hiding because of racist groups that would harm him if they could.

You sound like you're on that side.

Not really pretty, your strange attitude.

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[jaeger19]

No, the evidence (lacerations to the back of Zimmerman's head and witness testimony) proved that Zimmerman had the right to use deadly force.

That's why Zimmerman was exonerated at his trial.......it's all a done deal and legal conclusion.

You can't change that fact.......you can only whine and pretend that something else happened.

You impress no one.

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Yeah no. a laceration to the back of your head does not in an of itself justify the use of deadly force.

You can't change that fact. You can only whine and pretend that something happened that you have absolutely no proof of... in fact you have to ignore the available evidence to arrive at your conclusion.

You impress no one.

 

[Vox]

Nope.. it does not prove that "his head was being slammed into the concrete".
It shows objectively and medically that he was not sustaining forces consistent with even CLOSE to a life threatening situation and that it was not consistent to what Zimmerman was stating.

Baloney.

You're desperately pushing a tired falsehood that has been repeatedly disproved (most of all by the trial that exonerated Zimmerman).

Anytime a big strong, six foot three, teenager is pounding your head on concrete it's life-threatening because the next one could crack your skull.

I suppose you, since you appear to hate Zimmerman, would prefer that he wait until his brains were on the pavement.

You're making the most ridiculous and tortured argument I've ever heard.

Especially silly since the trial already proved you wrong and you keep blathering about it as though the trial never happened.

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[Vox]

Yeah no. a laceration to the back of your head does not in an of itself justify the use of deadly force.

Actually, it does, according to the law (as I have clearly explained above).

Proven by the jury trial that you want to forget.

Accept it and move on.

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[Vox]

Read the bolded. I have said it several times in this thread..

Hard to find between your repeated and constant trashing of Zimmerman.

If you think he was right, then why slander him?

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[year2late]

Sorry, he had two small lacs and a broken nose.

If you think that is "luck he got out alive" you being silly.

If his head had been slammed with great force.....the injuries would look a bit different. Head slammed repeatedly into concrete with great force looks a bit different.

Not disputing that the MMA cupcake felt as if his life was in danger and was justified using his gun.....

And casing? Was his phone a camera as well? He had the ability to have pictures of the casing.

Was there any evidence showing he was on someone's property looking for a way in?

Hard to find between your repeated and constant trashing of Zimmerman.

If you think he was right, then why slander him?

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Because an idiot with a gun followed a kid walking alone at night. Having been in that situation and understanding how that amps up your adrenaline.....I totally get that someone might lash out. Let alone an immature adolescent. By the way...I was so amped up when I was followed that I beat the crap out of the guy.

The idiot with a gun should have stayed in his car and just taken a picture of this alleged activity or waited for the police to come.

Yes, the idiot with the gun who should have stayed in his car got a few small lacs and broken nose. And he felt his life was in danger so he shot the kid who he was followining as he walked alone in the dark.

Yes. Self defense.

But he wouldn't have needed to defend his MMA cupcake ass if he would have stayed in his car and not followed the kid who was walking alone in the dark.

I do not feel sorry in the least for the troubles Zim has had since he shot martin. His own actions caused the problem.

 

[sear]

"I don't care what you believe." V #269

Then why are you replying to my post?

"Yes, your question was an argument........a slur against Zimmerman (who did no wrong.)" V

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"Zimmerman (who did no wrong.)" V

OK
Let's count the wrongs.

1) Z wanted to be a heroic hot-shot, so he got a gun and started prowling neighborhoods, without adequate police training or instinct. That's not wrong?

2) Z fixated on a dark-skinned school boy, and shot him dead within only a few minutes after Zimmerman first saw him. TM had done nothing wrong that evening, until Z forced an armed confrontation, if even then. That's not wrong?

3) Z disregarded both Sanford police dispatch guidance, and Neighborhood Watch.org published standards. Had Zimmerman adhered to either one or the other, Trayvon Martin would still be alive today. And you claim: "Zimmerman (who did no wrong.)"?

4) Z did all this based upon clearly racist distinctions DESPITE confessing to police Z didn't know what his deal is. And you don't have a problem with Z doing that?

Do you actually know what the definition of the word "wrong" is?

"Zimmerman (who did no wrong.)" V

Astounding!

"None of your business where he works." V

Is it any more business of yours about the Trayvon Martin homicide?
I didn't open this topic. I joined in late.
So why is your participation more valid, more legitimate than mine?

"He has to stay in hiding because of racist groups that would harm him if they could." V

Savor the irony! The racist Zimmerman cowering from his fellow racists!

"You sound like you're on that side." V

To you perhaps.

"Not really pretty, your strange attitude." V

Guilty as charged! I defend the weak and innocent from the strong and oppressive. AND OH MY GOD AM I ASHAMED OF MYSELF FOR IT !!