Traditional Racism = Racial Identity Politics

[Casca XV]

Yeah, yeah, "Leftist blah blah blah..." Do you have an actual argument?

Your own link made my point perfect. I have already won this argument. Please answer the question.

 

[calamity]

Your own link made my point perfect. I have already won this argument. Please answer the question.

Your imagination sure does run wild.

 

[joG]

Do you genuinely believe that this is a serious response? Also, I'm interested to see your sources, so go ahead and give sources for both of those claims.

My take on the developments is quite well aligned with the general statement. I have never looked at the pre 1950s situation of Blacks, but have done so off and on for certain aspects of the post Johnson developments. The situation has many aspects. But most data series I have looked at do not make the case for any success of our civil rights based and poverty allevevment programs.

 

[joG]

Yeah, yeah, "Leftist blah blah blah..." Do you have an actual argument?

He did make an argument, I thought. Linked a couple of things too.

 

[americanwoman]

It is what we are told, blacks...nothing but hardship, being held back, inequality, you name it. You say it isn't so. Who's right?

Who tells you that? Maybe a handful of people but they don't speak for anyone else.

I say it isn't so because I know dozens of successful black families who are in no way destroyed. Therefore, I cannot say in general black families are destroyed.

Generally speaking meth is a huge problem in many white communities. Would you say then white people are destroyed by meth?

 

[Nickyjo]

see #46

There is nothing wrong with Safety Net Programs that keep people who are honestly incapable of supporting themselves from going hungry or homeless.

The problem is Leftist Democrats have made those Safety Nets so easy to get on and profitable to stay on that people who wont work now out number the people who cant work.

Leftist Democrats do this for 2 reasons:

1. People who are on welfare & food stamps and want to stay mostly vote Democrat.

2. Democrats, especially far Left Democrats see this as a pathway to a Socialist Society.

We leftist democrats (with help from liberal republicans back when they existed) set up socialist programs like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Public Assistance and AFDC out of notions of compassion and justice. That’s why most of us would prefer some form of single payer (more socialism) to the ACA. But you might want to go on line and find out what your state or county provide poor people, and whatever new rules came in under Bill Clinton. Probably isn’t much, as I discovered, and about everything I have read or heard suggests that our country is the stingiest in the developed world with respect to such benefits, and has the worst income distribution despite all the foolishness of us big spenders.

Of course people receiving these benefits might vote Democrat. Conservative segregationist southerners supported these programs back in the day—because they were poor—before they turned to the GOP in the 1960s-1970s after the civil rights movements successes.

My beef with our system is the dependency it can create, and where feasible, I would prefer programs that require work with daycare for kids if necessary, adequate training, even if the government had to create “make work”jobs as in the 1930s. All of this would require much more funding than politically possible, so many of us will probably continue with the Reagan myth of “welfare queens” and “strapping young bucks” too lazy to work.

At the end of the day, what we do, however imperfectly, is the price of a civilized society.

 

[BitterPill]

Traditional Racism = Racial Identity Politics

Up until about 50 years ago the KKK was the terrorist arm of the Democrat Party. For its first approximate 140 years Democrats used racism as a weapon for their own political gain. Aside from slavery itself every racist Government policy in all US History was the product of the Democrat party.

Today’s Democrats like to talk about a “Big Switch” where they suddenly became the good guys regarding race, but the fact is they are no better about racism today than they were then.

The Leftist Democrats simply started exploiting racism from the exact opposite direction.

The “Big Switch” was Democrats trading in The KKK for other racial hate groups like Black Lives Matter. Exchanging Klan Leaders for Racial Poverty Pimps like AL Sharpton, Jessie Jackson and Brock Obama.

“I’ll have those Ni**ers voting Democrat for the next 200 years.” This Lyndon B. Johnson quote that was in the context of “We will give Blacks just enough to get their votes but not enough to make a difference” and it’s the fundamental foundation of today’s Democrat Party racial policy.

After being rejected by Democrats the KKK and other Traditional Racists have desperately tried to attach themselves to Republican and the American Right. Although there will always be individual racist in every large group, as a whole Republican/Conservatives/Libertarians have 100% rejected these racist organizations.

“Racists may claim us but we will never claim them” is a sentiment expressed by every modern GOP President from Nixon through Trump.

Leftist like to point to Nixon’s Southern Strategy as proof that the GOP is racist. But the Allegations themselves are the only proof. There is not a single document or quote from the 1968 GOP campaign indicating there were racist motives. It was about attracting Southern Conservatives not Racists.

Richard Nixon was a much stronger and earlier supporter of African American Civil Rights than either John F. Kennedy or Lyndon B. Johnson. In the 1950’s all over the country Richard Nixon was giving anti-segregation speeches. This is long before there was political advantage to doing it.

In 1957 was the first African American Civil Rights Bill attempt. It was under President Eisenhower and Vice President Nixon. Both Northern and Southern Democrat lead by Senate Majority Leader Lyndon B. Johnson defeated it.

It was not until there was political advantage that JFK and LBJ became interested in African American Civil rights. Through political maneuvering such as publicly embracing Marten Luther Kings wife while he was in jail they managed to get a majority of the Black vote in the 1960 election. Pandering and Welfare benefit bribery is how the Democrat party has maintained it since.

Racial Identity Politics has racially divided America more than Traditional Racism could have ever hopped to do. Obama as President was one of the greatest practitioners of Racial Identity Politics. On the day he entered office, when polled 65% of Americans consistently said race relations were good, and 35% said they were bad. When Obama left office those numbers had flipped.

A real Racist doesn’t mind being called “racist.”

Obvious false allegations of racism is the one thing that is arguably just as offensive to an average White person as being called the N-word is to an average Black person, and those false allegations are a favorite current tactic of Leftist Democrats practicing racial identity politics.

On last election night shortly after President Trump was declared the winner, on CNN Van Jones exclaimed the results were a “Whitelash.”…. If there was racial component to how Whites people voted it’s the result of them being angry over Assholes like Van Jones himself constantly lying about them being racist.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...=r1rIDmDWSms&usg=AOvVaw14slKnnwU24gWBK2ii5Eta

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...xons-racism/&usg=AOvVaw1I47MvFBw_jhPaj5bL_sjy

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...=MA9aSvHzEIU&usg=AOvVaw2eA8tyXbMFJ_6KAO2rU4H3

We elected Trump, an openly racist candidate, and we defend his racism whenever we need to:

Go GOP! MAGA! Winning!

 

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Part 1

It is what we are told, blacks...nothing but hardship, being held back, inequality, you name it. You say it isn't so. Who's right?

Social science deal with generalization (that's all statistics are anyways). If one were to tackle an HIV problem among homosexual males they would need to at some point generalize. Yes, there may be some homosexual males, for example, that have had unprotected sex with 40 different men and have not acquired HIV. But it would be prudent for the government, social scientists, and the medical community to speak in generalizations that HIV had been devastating the American male homosexual community via so many gay men have multiple sexual partners with no condoms.

Likewise, if one wants to tackle successfully certain social pathologies or certain economic/financial woes in Black-America they would have to first acknowledge their is a problem.

Homo-feminist have no problem singing to the world all the problems going against them, particularly now with women and sexual abuse and harassment in Hollywood, Government, massage parlors whatever.




Yes, the Black-American family has been devastated. Some of it--not all of it--goes back to the emotional and psychological stresses produced on Southern slave plantations. The programs of the plantation that adversely affected the character of many (not all) men and women enslaved on those plantation. Or at least this is what I suspect. Jim Crow racism continued that. And what do I mean by Jim Crow racism? I mean the constant humiliation of blacks by disparaging their noses and physical looks, putting down the women and the men as never being good enough, black women having to step in the street when white women pass by on the sidewalks, black men talk down to by groups of white men as the black man shines their shoes.

So, the Bible forewarns the sins of the father are passed to the son. In the United States that would not just be white fathers passing racism on to their sons. It could be construed too as to what black fathers do or don't do for their sons and daughters or the women that birthed their children.

My black grandfather earned middle-class wages in Milwaukee's factories (he was rural hand in the Jim Crow South before coming North). But he was a hardcore alcoholic, gambler, and womanizer. So, he rarely if ever returned home to his large family after he got his paycheck. What money he did give was insufficient for the large family. They grew up hungry and poor even though he earned enough that they all should have lived a middle-class lifestyle. But then what about his father and how he was raised? Ah... now that is telling. I only know from one of my black aunts telling me. I do know too that Mississippi so adversely affected my grandfather he never wanted to (and never did so far as I know) return to Mississippi. He told me out of his own mouth he never wanted to even visit Mississippi.

AFDC and the Crack Cocaine period where big bombs on the Black-American family too--still feeling the affects/effects today. The decline of manufacturing jobs which so decided to recruit Mexicans to come work these jobs as the black unemployment was rising. Generally you would ask foreign workers to come when you country is exploding with say... manufacturing jobs, not when your country is declining in them. So, it was an orchestrated attack on the Black-American family by those with doctoral degrees ruling the Democratic and Republican Parties. Unless of course they were only imbeciles far less intelligent than me and even incapable of performing basic arithmetic even though they have doctoral degrees.

So, either they were stupid and incompetent or they were in on it.

 

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It is what we are told, blacks...nothing but hardship, being held back, inequality, you name it. You say it isn't so. Who's right?

Part 2




So, fast forwarding to the 14:27 mark of the video below: homicide rate in Milwaukee for black males between the ages of 15 and 24 is 187 per 100,000, for whites of same age range in Milwaukee: 4 per 100,000. I think that is what Yvette Carnell would call a "systemic problem" not an accidental ouch one or two people make. Fast forward to the 27:35 mark, and two black women speak about their father abandoning the family. Frankly, I don't by his justification. I think at root was alcoholism, stress, and ill character formation borne from the Southern plantations. The Polish lived in as bad if not *worse* housing condition on Milwaukee's South Side, with enormous families, and worked in the same factories. But they rarely abandoned their families (even the drunks).

The housing west of the A.O. Smith factory was very good, about the 1970s whites fled as more blacks constantly moved in. But prior to that most blacks lived in a section of the city with older and not as good housing--but the near South Side with the Polish Flats were often even worse.







The City of LA is lucky to have attorney Antonio Moore. An impressive young Black-American man burning with passion to improve the situation of his people. He is accomplished yet he does not abandon through indifference or hatred fallen Black-Americans by selling the fictional story: "all is great in Black-America." Yvette Carnell is like him too. Hell, they both teach me or give me different ways to look at something at times. Nonetheless, I'm not optimistic about Black-America, but I admire their fire and their honesty. They are almost like two Moses sent by God.

Denzel Washington is Wrong on Mass Incarceration & Black Family

 

[BitterPill]

Part 2




So, fast forwarding to the 14:27 mark of the video below: homicide rate in Milwaukee for black males between the ages of 15 and 24 is 187 per 100,000, for whites of same age range in Milwaukee: 4 per 100,000. I think that is what Yvette Carnell would call a "systemic problem" not an accidental ouch one or two people make. Fast forward to the 27:35 mark, and two black women speak about their father abandoning the family. Frankly, I don't by his justification. I think at root was alcoholism, stress, and ill character formation borne from the Southern plantations. The Polish lived in as bad if not *worse* housing condition on Milwaukee's South Side, with enormous families, and worked in the same factories. But they rarely abandoned their families (even the drunks).

The housing west of the A.O. Smith factory was very good, about the 1970s whites fled as more blacks constantly moved in. But prior to that most blacks lived in a section of the city with older and not as good housing--but the near South Side with the Polish Flats were often even worse.







The City of LA is lucky to have attorney Antonio Moore. An impressive young Black-American man burning with passion to improve the situation of his people. He is accomplished yet he does not abandon through indifference or hatred fallen Black-Americans by selling the fictional story: "all is great in Black-America." Yvette Carnell is like him too. Hell, they both teach me or give me different ways to look at something at times. Nonetheless, I'm not optimistic about Black-America, but I admire their fire and their honesty. They are almost like two Moses sent by God.

More anti-Trump drivel.

"How about getting with the program. Why don't you jump on the team and come on in for the big win?"

 

[FieldTheorist]

My source is Thomas Sowell. In two of his books: Black Rednecks & White Liberals and Economics and the Politics of Race. In both books he clearly lays out objective facts and statistics showing the African American community was doing better 100 years after slavery than they are 50 years after the beginning of the Welfare State AKA the Great Society.

Prior to the Death of Martin Luther King the leadership of the Black community were men like Thomas Sowell, Fredric Douglas, Martin Luther King, leaders who preached hard work and individual responsibility.

Since the Death of MLK, and the rise of the welfare state Racial Poverty Pimps like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Barack Obama have managed to insinuate themselves as the leadership of the Black Community. Men who for their own personal and political gain need African Americans to remain embittered and poor.

By every socioeconomic measure, Asian Americans are on average prospering even more than White Americans. If the African American community had continued to follow the influence of men like Douglas/Sowell/King instead of Jackson/Sharpton/Obama, they would at least be competing with Whites maybe even Asians.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...wgr%5Eauthor&usg=AOvVaw0NBivJLPYkvt0VE78zyPyT

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...=0UpiNiaak18&usg=AOvVaw28BAaG0huPYlv1PHoH7ikq

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...8ff1fc-1ab4-11e5-93b7-5eddc056ad8a_story.html

https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&...0&ved=0ahUKEwj_0KGcnt_XAhVF7CYKHaf8BEIQ-BYIMQ

These books surely linked to studies. Show me the studies. If they didn't, these books aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

 

[Casca XV]

These books surely linked to studies. Show me the studies. If they didn't, these books aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

His books are the peer reviewed studies. He spent decades as Stanford Professor conducting those studies. You should try educating yourself above your usual Buzzfeed and other Leftist click bate propaganda.

 

[Casca XV]

We elected Trump, an openly racist candidate, and we defend his racism whenever we need to:

Go GOP! MAGA! Winning!

Show me a Trump quote of him being racist, and I will show you how he was misquoted taken out of context or the goal post is moved so far that Him saying he prefers vanilla over chocolat is called racist.

 

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More anti-Trump drivel.

"How about getting with the program. Why don't you jump on the team and come on in for the big win?"

I voted for Trump and my post had nothing to do with attacking Trump. I was talking about issues of the Black-American family. But then you already knew that.

The 187 per 100,000 homicide rate of black males between the ages of 15 and 24 in Milwaukee vs the 4 per 100,000 for white males in the same age range in Milwaukee existed before Trump got in office. Trump is not a central figure in the well being of Black-Americans. The central figures are Black-Americans themselves.

My post was directed at Lovebug to say that the Black-American family is in fact in trouble. As opposed to an anti-black narrative another posters was giving to discount the problems facing Black-American families (but the same homo-feminist would trip over themselves running to shine light on and pour government funding on any LGBTQ-feminist problem like say... HIV brought on by gay male promiscuity).

Sure, well-to-do blacks dismiss mass numbers of blacks in trouble. But hell... you find the same thing with black elites in black Africa like the ruling family of Equatorial Guinea, in which the black President has claimed no poverty exists in that country, all the while his son as Vice President is an instagram star showing off his luxurious and extravagant life. Black-American rich, rap stars, elites do the same in the USA.

Denzel Washington is Wrong on Mass Incarceration & Black Family

The bold underlined portion my high light. (I like Denzel for the record, nor do I have as harsh a view of him as Antonio Moore, but I think in terms of analysis on said issue, Antonio Moore is far more insightful on this issue than Denzel is).

I'm sure you're trained in COINTELPRO. Serve who you do and run now, as Jesus told Judas, and do as you must. PM or phone your homo-feminist partners and rally your well-to-do blacks, and mock me as "King of the Blacks" or whatever it is COINTELPRO methodology inspires you all to do.

Fortunately for you all I am more concerned with helping myself than "fixing" Black-America. But you all will still have to contend with the lions of Antonio Moore and Yvette. Better run off fast now to discredit them. Hop hop.

 

[BitterPill]

Show me a Trump quote of him being racist, and I will show you how he was misquoted taken out of context or the goal post is moved so far that Him saying he prefers vanilla over chocolat is called racist.

That's a go-to defense of Trump's racist bigotry, but you don't need to do that anymore. Everyone knows, and we're proud everyone knows, Trump foremost among us.

 

[Casca XV]

That's a go-to defense of Trump's racist bigotry, but you don't need to do that anymore. Everyone knows, and we're proud everyone knows, Trump foremost among us.

"everyone knows"

What everyone knows at least, instinctively: is that allegations of racism from Leftist Democrats are 100% meaningless.

When the going get tough Leftist Democrats scream "Racist, Racist, Racist"!!!

 

[BitterPill]

"everyone knows"

What everyone knows at least, instinctively: is that allegations of racism from Leftist Democrats are 100% meaningless.

When the going get tough Leftist Democrats scream "Racist, Racist, Racist"!!!

The problem is Trump is a bigot - that's why I voted for him. Why did you vote for him?

And if you're bothered by being called racist, perhaps you should become a liberal if you aren't already.

 

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That's a go-to defense of Trump's racist bigotry, but you don't need to do that anymore. Everyone knows, and we're proud everyone knows, Trump foremost among us.

Working for the FBI or an American intelligence group using the COINTELPRO methodology?

Save your lies. I know you people swarm the English speaking internet boards. Yes, that's right, I'm a grown man therefore I believe in conspiracies orchestrated by the wicked and powerful. If I were a child with a child's mind I would think the world just ended up like it is by pure accident.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

COINTELPRO (an acronym for COunter INTELligence PROgram) was a series of covert, and at times illegal,[1][2] projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting domestic political organizations.[3] [4] FBI records show that COINTELPRO resources targeted groups and individuals that the FBI deemed subversive,[5] including anti-Vietnam War organizers, activists of the Civil Rights Movement or Black Power movement (e.g., Martin Luther King, Jr. and the Black Panther Party), feminist organizations, independence movements (such as Puerto Rican independence groups like the Young Lords), and a variety of organizations that were part of the broader New Left.

COINTELPRO tactics are still used to this day, and have been alleged to include discrediting targets through psychological warfare; smearing individuals and groups using forged documents and by planting false reports in the media; harassment; wrongful imprisonment; and illegal violence, including assassination.[7] [8][9][10] The FBI's stated motivation was "protecting national security, preventing violence, and maintaining the existing social and political order.[sic.]"[11]

Let me help you out with your COINTELPRO operation. I'm mulatto. This is the time when you start PM'ing, or using another account or have one of your other COINTELPRO-like agents PM Black-American members and tell them: "He's a sell-out mulatto that does not want to face the truth that we Trump supporters are all proud racists." Or whatever divide and conquer strategy you people come up with. So, run and do what you must.

 

[Casca XV]

The problem is Trump is a bigot - that's why I voted for him. Why did you vote for him?

And if you're bothered by being called racist, perhaps you should become a liberal if you aren't already.

We have the best economy we have had in 16 years over the last 6 months it has improved quicker than it has in 35 years.

President did this by repealing all of Obama's economy killing executive orders and other regulations as well as instructing the IRS not to enforce the Obamacare mandates.

That is why I voted for him, not to be Mr. Congeniality.

That the best criticism Leftist can come up with are lies and mischaracterizations to call him racist or sexist tells me I made the right choice.