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Traditional Racism = Racial Identity Politics

PTF said:
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" Up until about 50 years ago the KKK was the terrorist arm of the Democrat Party. For its first approximate 140 years Democrats used racism as a weapon for their own political gain. Aside from slavery itself every racist Government policy in all US History was the product of the Democrat party. "

My friends(Brn2bfree and willsblog) were saying the same thing about the Demos.
How can minorities continue to vote Demo after learning about this ?
There is little to no advancement under a Demo regime. They've seen it under this dude for the last 8.
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Because its not aobut democratic/republican. It's about conservativism and liberalism. And while parties change stances, the klan has always been housed in conservatism.
 
poweRob said:
Because its not aobut democratic/republican. It's about conservativism and liberalism. And while parties change stances, the klan has always been housed in conservatism.
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Funny I've never seen them kneel.
 
Casca XV said:
Nice Try, Using the Young Turks as your propaganda source will backfire every time.

Ken Mehlman and Michael Steele were both mistakenly quoting Leftist Democrat propaganda about the Southern Strategy several decades after it happened and before they were in the GOP.

Lee Atwater did not work for Nixon or even the GOP until after Nixon was out of office (a bit of a Lie on your part). What you quoted was a clip Jimmy Carter 4 edited out of context. He was actually talking about the South as time went on becoming less racist.

That's Kevin Phillips not Ken Phillips. Him pointing out that they did not expect to get much of the Black Vote or that some of the White voters in the south during that time were racist years after the fact is not a mission statement.

You will get more reality form Star Wars than Snopes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1rIDmDWSms

Nixon was defiantly an asshole at times but this is closer to what his actual policies were. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzCrkvvDyhQ
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So no response to Post #20 then?

Yeah, I thought so. It's really hard to argue from a position predicated on such a thorough misrepresentation of US history.
 
Yes to all of this. Good job.

Casca XV said:
Traditional Racism = Racial Identity Politics

Up until about 50 years ago the KKK was the terrorist arm of the Democrat Party. For its first approximate 140 years Democrats used racism as a weapon for their own political gain. Aside from slavery itself every racist Government policy in all US History was the product of the Democrat party.

Today’s Democrats like to talk about a “Big Switch” where they suddenly became the good guys regarding race, but the fact is they are no better about racism today than they were then.

The Leftist Democrats simply started exploiting racism from the exact opposite direction.

The “Big Switch” was Democrats trading in The KKK for other racial hate groups like Black Lives Matter. Exchanging Klan Leaders for Racial Poverty Pimps like AL Sharpton, Jessie Jackson and Brock Obama.

“I’ll have those Ni**ers voting Democrat for the next 200 years.” This Lyndon B. Johnson quote that was in the context of “We will give Blacks just enough to get their votes but not enough to make a difference” and it’s the fundamental foundation of today’s Democrat Party racial policy.

After being rejected by Democrats the KKK and other Traditional Racists have desperately tried to attach themselves to Republican and the American Right. Although there will always be individual racist in every large group, as a whole Republican/Conservatives/Libertarians have 100% rejected these racist organizations.

“Racists may claim us but we will never claim them” is a sentiment expressed by every modern GOP President from Nixon through Trump.

Leftist like to point to Nixon’s Southern Strategy as proof that the GOP is racist. But the Allegations themselves are the only proof. There is not a single document or quote from the 1968 GOP campaign indicating there were racist motives. It was about attracting Southern Conservatives not Racists.

Richard Nixon was a much stronger and earlier supporter of African American Civil Rights than either John F. Kennedy or Lyndon B. Johnson. In the 1950’s all over the country Richard Nixon was giving anti-segregation speeches. This is long before there was political advantage to doing it.

In 1957 was the first African American Civil Rights Bill attempt. It was under President Eisenhower and Vice President Nixon. Both Northern and Southern Democrat lead by Senate Majority Leader Lyndon B. Johnson defeated it.

It was not until there was political advantage that JFK and LBJ became interested in African American Civil rights. Through political maneuvering such as publicly embracing Marten Luther Kings wife while he was in jail they managed to get a majority of the Black vote in the 1960 election. Pandering and Welfare benefit bribery is how the Democrat party has maintained it since.

Racial Identity Politics has racially divided America more than Traditional Racism could have ever hopped to do. Obama as President was one of the greatest practitioners of Racial Identity Politics. On the day he entered office, when polled 65% of Americans consistently said race relations were good, and 35% said they were bad. When Obama left office those numbers had flipped.

A real Racist doesn’t mind being called “racist.”

Obvious false allegations of racism is the one thing that is arguably just as offensive to an average White person as being called the N-word is to an average Black person, and those false allegations are a favorite current tactic of Leftist Democrats practicing racial identity politics.

On last election night shortly after President Trump was declared the winner, on CNN Van Jones exclaimed the results were a “Whitelash.”…. If there was racial component to how Whites people voted it’s the result of them being angry over Assholes like Van Jones himself constantly lying about them being racist.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...=r1rIDmDWSms&usg=AOvVaw14slKnnwU24gWBK2ii5Eta

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...xons-racism/&usg=AOvVaw1I47MvFBw_jhPaj5bL_sjy

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...=MA9aSvHzEIU&usg=AOvVaw2eA8tyXbMFJ_6KAO2rU4H3
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FieldTheorist said:
So no response to Post #20 then?

Yeah, I thought so. It's really hard to argue from a position predicated on such a thorough misrepresentation of US history.
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No, little man I have not forgotten you. There come a point that you have to break it off from someone using the Liars Negotiation.

It was not you, you obviously are not smart enough. But who ever originally located those meaningless quotes from a relative nobody to desperately try to obscure actual policy had weeks and months of mind numbing work.

The bottom line is: Asian Americans are a minority group that is doing better by every objective standard than even White American on average.

If 60 years ago African Americans had followed the lead of Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and Thomas Sowell instead of LBJ, Baraka Obama and Al Sharpton they might actually be competing with Asian Americans.

Face it, your ideology is not just the worst thing to ever happen to Blacks it's the worst thing that has happened to all America.
 
Casca XV said:
No, little man I have not forgotten you. There come a point that you have to break it off from someone using the Liars Negotiation.

It was not you, you obviously are not smart enough. But who ever originally located those meaningless quotes from a relative nobody to desperately try to obscure actual policy had weeks and months of mind numbing work.

The bottom line is: Asian Americans are a minority group that is doing better by every objective standard than even White American on average.

If 60 years ago African Americans had followed the lead of Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and Thomas Sowell instead of LBJ, Baraka Obama and Al Sharpton they might actually be competing with Asian Americans.

Face it, your ideology is not just the worst thing to ever happen to Blacks it's the worst thing that has happened to all America.
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Congratulations for confirming my suspicion that you, in fact, don't have a case and you definitely cannot produce evidence or reasoning for your wild claims. I love how you act like I fabricated quotes that came off of the author's own personal website. LOL
 
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FieldTheorist said:
Congratulations for confirming my suspicion that you, in fact, don't have a case and you definitely cannot produce evidence or reasoning for your wild claims. I love how you act like I fabricated quotes that came off of the author's own personal website. LOL
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I don't claim you fabricated anything. You just quoted people who were not there or were so far down that their opinions were not actual policy. Like I said, in every large group there will be bad people. But with Leftist bad people usually run things.
 
FieldTheorist said:
Congratulations for confirming my suspicion that you, in fact, don't have a case and you definitely cannot produce evidence or reasoning for your wild claims. I love how you act like I fabricated quotes that came off of the author's own personal website. LOL
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I notice you never even tried to dispute the actual central argument of the thread : Traditional Racism = Racial Identity Politics.
 
Casca XV said:
I notice you never even tried to dispute the actual central argument of the thread : Traditional Racism = Racial Identity Politics.
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I actually took every false claim laid out by the OP as evidence for the false thesis of the OP. So, no, that which has been asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Of course there's a secondary issue here, which is that your OP is a giant red-herring anyway. Even if the Southern Strategy never happened, trying to claim that someone claiming you are racist is worse than being lynched, beaten, enslaved, and disenfranchised is, again, so absurd it has reached the level of being worthy of response.
 
Casca XV said:
Traditional Racism = Racial Identity Politics

Up until about 50 years ago the KKK was the terrorist arm of the Democrat Party. For its first approximate 140 years Democrats used racism as a weapon for their own political gain. Aside from slavery itself every racist Government policy in all US History was the product of the Democrat party.

Today’s Democrats like to talk about a “Big Switch” where they suddenly became the good guys regarding race, but the fact is they are no better about racism today than they were then.

The Leftist Democrats simply started exploiting racism from the exact opposite direction.

The “Big Switch” was Democrats trading in The KKK for other racial hate groups like Black Lives Matter. Exchanging Klan Leaders for Racial Poverty Pimps like AL Sharpton, Jessie Jackson and Brock Obama.

“I’ll have those Ni**ers voting Democrat for the next 200 years.” This Lyndon B. Johnson quote that was in the context of “We will give Blacks just enough to get their votes but not enough to make a difference” and it’s the fundamental foundation of today’s Democrat Party racial policy.

After being rejected by Democrats the KKK and other Traditional Racists have desperately tried to attach themselves to Republican and the American Right. Although there will always be individual racist in every large group, as a whole Republican/Conservatives/Libertarians have 100% rejected these racist organizations.

“Racists may claim us but we will never claim them” is a sentiment expressed by every modern GOP President from Nixon through Trump.

Leftist like to point to Nixon’s Southern Strategy as proof that the GOP is racist. But the Allegations themselves are the only proof. There is not a single document or quote from the 1968 GOP campaign indicating there were racist motives. It was about attracting Southern Conservatives not Racists.

Richard Nixon was a much stronger and earlier supporter of African American Civil Rights than either John F. Kennedy or Lyndon B. Johnson. In the 1950’s all over the country Richard Nixon was giving anti-segregation speeches. This is long before there was political advantage to doing it.

In 1957 was the first African American Civil Rights Bill attempt. It was under President Eisenhower and Vice President Nixon. Both Northern and Southern Democrat lead by Senate Majority Leader Lyndon B. Johnson defeated it.

It was not until there was political advantage that JFK and LBJ became interested in African American Civil rights. Through political maneuvering such as publicly embracing Marten Luther Kings wife while he was in jail they managed to get a majority of the Black vote in the 1960 election. Pandering and Welfare benefit bribery is how the Democrat party has maintained it since.

Racial Identity Politics has racially divided America more than Traditional Racism could have ever hopped to do. Obama as President was one of the greatest practitioners of Racial Identity Politics. On the day he entered office, when polled 65% of Americans consistently said race relations were good, and 35% said they were bad. When Obama left office those numbers had flipped.

A real Racist doesn’t mind being called “racist.”

Obvious false allegations of racism is the one thing that is arguably just as offensive to an average White person as being called the N-word is to an average Black person, and those false allegations are a favorite current tactic of Leftist Democrats practicing racial identity politics.

On last election night shortly after President Trump was declared the winner, on CNN Van Jones exclaimed the results were a “Whitelash.”…. If there was racial component to how Whites people voted it’s the result of them being angry over Assholes like Van Jones himself constantly lying about them being racist.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...=r1rIDmDWSms&usg=AOvVaw14slKnnwU24gWBK2ii5Eta

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...xons-racism/&usg=AOvVaw1I47MvFBw_jhPaj5bL_sjy

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...=MA9aSvHzEIU&usg=AOvVaw2eA8tyXbMFJ_6KAO2rU4H3
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Correction: White Trump voters are racist, and they were sick of being called out on it.
 
FieldTheorist said:
I actually took every false claim laid out by the OP as evidence for the false thesis of the OP. So, no, that which has been asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Of course there's a secondary issue here, which is that your OP is a giant red-herring anyway. Even if the Southern Strategy never happened, trying to claim that someone claiming you are racist is worse than being lynched, beaten, enslaved, and disenfranchised is, again, so absurd it has reached the level of being worthy of response.
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Since the end of the Civil War just under 4000 people have been killed by American White Supremacists.

Since LBJ Great Society, Racial Identity Politics and other Leftist policies have created a dangerous African American ghetto sub coulter that has killed at least a hundred times more Black People than that.

Todays South is no more racist than any other part of the country, and there is perfect coloration between it becoming less racist and more Red States.
 
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calamity said:
Correction: White Trump voters are racist, and they were sick of being called out on it.
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Na, aside form the microscopic number of KKK and Neo-Nazi types the only real racists in America today call themselves Progressive or Liberal. But as Saul Alenski advised, they accuse their political opponents of the evil they themselves are practicing.
 
Casca XV said:
Since the end of the Civil War just under 4000 people have been killed by American White Supremacists.

Since LBJ Great Society, Racial Identity Politics and other Leftist policies have created a dangerous African American Sub - Coulter[sic] that has killed at least a hundred times more Black people than that.

Todays South is no more racist than any other part of the country, and there is perfect coloration[sic] between it becoming less racist and more Red States.
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Delusional nonsense. What, do you think black Americans are statistically poorer because of LBJ? Like, it used to be before LBJ that black Americans were equally prosperous as their white counterparts? Somehow, LBJ came up with a brilliant scheme to keep black people poor and call it the Great Society? Or in your mind is there no link between poverty and crime? There's no link between a diminishing jobs situation and crime? In your mind, it's just a lie that statistically black Americans aren't more harshly pursued, prosecuted, and sentenced in the US? That banks and employers aren't statistically biased against black sounding names? And the issue of White Flight in the 1960's didn't permanently damage city infrastructure and education?
 
FieldTheorist said:
Delusional nonsense. What, do you think black Americans are statistically poorer because of LBJ? Like, it used to be before LBJ that black Americans were equally prosperous as their white counterparts? Somehow, LBJ came up with a brilliant scheme to keep black people poor and call it the Great Society? Or in your mind is there no link between poverty and crime? There's no link between a diminishing jobs situation and crime? In your mind, it's just a lie that statistically black Americans aren't more harshly pursued, prosecuted, and sentenced in the US? That banks and employers aren't statistically biased against black sounding names? And the issue of White Flight in the 1960's didn't permanently damage city infrastructure and education?
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Pre Great Society Blacks were rising out of poverty an average of 1% a year, after that it almost totally stopped.
 
Casca XV said:
Pre Great Society Blacks were rising out of poverty an average of 1% a year, after that it almost totally stopped.
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Do you genuinely believe that this is a serious response? Also, I'm interested to see your sources, so go ahead and give sources for both of those claims.
 
Casca XV said:
Pre Great Society Blacks were rising out of poverty an average of 1% a year, after that it almostotally stopped.
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I checked poverty stats. Great Society brought improvements, decline in poverty rates from early 60s til late 60s. Doesn’t mean that they caused improvement, but still...
 
FieldTheorist said:
Do you genuinely believe that this is a serious response? Also, I'm interested to see your sources, so go ahead and give sources for both of those claims.
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My source is Thomas Sowell. In two of his books: Black Rednecks & White Liberals and Economics and the Politics of Race. In both books he clearly lays out objective facts and statistics showing the African American community was doing better 100 years after slavery than they are 50 years after the beginning of the Welfare State AKA the Great Society.

Prior to the Death of Martin Luther King the leadership of the Black community were men like Thomas Sowell, Fredric Douglas, Martin Luther King, leaders who preached hard work and individual responsibility.

Since the Death of MLK, and the rise of the welfare state Racial Poverty Pimps like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Barack Obama have managed to insinuate themselves as the leadership of the Black Community. Men who for their own personal and political gain need African Americans to remain embittered and poor.

By every socioeconomic measure, Asian Americans are on average prospering even more than White Americans. If the African American community had continued to follow the influence of men like Douglas/Sowell/King instead of Jackson/Sharpton/Obama, they would at least be competing with Whites maybe even Asians.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...wgr%5Eauthor&usg=AOvVaw0NBivJLPYkvt0VE78zyPyT

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...=0UpiNiaak18&usg=AOvVaw28BAaG0huPYlv1PHoH7ikq

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...8ff1fc-1ab4-11e5-93b7-5eddc056ad8a_story.html

https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&...0&ved=0ahUKEwj_0KGcnt_XAhVF7CYKHaf8BEIQ-BYIMQ
 
Casca XV said:
My source is Thomas Sowell. In two of his books: Black Rednecks & White Liberals and Economics and the Politics of Race. In both books he clearly lays out objective facts and statistics showing the African American community was doing better 100 years after slavery than they are 50 years after the beginning of the Welfare State AKA the Great Society.

Prior to the Death of Martin Luther King the leadership of the Black community were men like Thomas Sowell, Fredric Douglas, Martin Luther King, leaders who preached hard work and individual responsibility.

Since the Death of MLK, and the rise of the welfare state Racial Poverty Pimps like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Barack Obama have managed to insinuate themselves as the leadership of the Black Community. Men who for their own personal and political gain need African Americans to remain embittered and poor.

By every socioeconomic measure, Asian Americans are on average prospering even more than White Americans. If the African American community had continued to follow the influence of men like Douglas/Sowell/King instead of Jackson/Sharpton/Obama, they would at least be competing with Whites maybe even Asians.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...wgr%5Eauthor&usg=AOvVaw0NBivJLPYkvt0VE78zyPyT

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...=0UpiNiaak18&usg=AOvVaw28BAaG0huPYlv1PHoH7ikq

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...8ff1fc-1ab4-11e5-93b7-5eddc056ad8a_story.html

https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&...0&ved=0ahUKEwj_0KGcnt_XAhVF7CYKHaf8BEIQ-BYIMQ
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This corresponds to my observations as well. But it is a rather difficult issue for our society. First of all our politicians have invested a lot in the programs and look like fools. But that would be acceptable. Two other points are less easily dealt with. The liberal movement justifies itself mostly out of the various aspects of the civil rights mishap. The other thing is that not only has the educational and societal damage been done, it is the people most challenged from this that you will enrage by correcting the mess. That will cause considerable unrest and anger.
 
Nickyjo said:
I checked poverty stats. Great Society brought improvements, decline in poverty rates from early 60s til late 60s. Doesn’t mean that they caused improvement, but still...
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see #46

There is nothing wrong with Safety Net Programs that keep people who are honestly incapable of supporting themselves from going hungry or homeless.

The problem is Leftist Democrats have made those Safety Nets so easy to get on and profitable to stay on that people who wont work now out number the people who cant work.

Leftist Democrats do this for 2 reasons:

1. People who are on welfare & food stamps and want to stay mostly vote Democrat.

2. Democrats, especially far Left Democrats see this as a pathway to a Socialist Society.
 
Casca XV said:
An opinion article form a Leftist practicing racial identity politics, wow that really proves your point, (that was sarcasm by the way).

Tell me something calamity and I am honestly curious: What is is it like embracing an ideology that is such a ridiculous failure that you are forced to lie about political

opponents being racist?
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Yeah, yeah, "Leftist blah blah blah..." Do you have an actual argument?
 
americanwoman said:
Has it? Because I know plenty of black families that are nowhere near destroyed.

Maybe you meant to say, it hurt some black families.
Yeah right. Now go back to how it's the other side that's racist. :lamo
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It is what we are told, blacks...nothing but hardship, being held back, inequality, you name it. You say it isn't so. Who's right?
 
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