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Too Many Guns, Another Example

Bullseye said:
No backtracking, but thanks for emphasizing my comments on your language arts skills.
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Yes backtracking

Your post #94:

"Probably not. It's not like that criminals who account for the massive scare of shootings would register their guns. Nor, is it likely that many shooters will conveniently drop their gun where it can conveniently be found at the scene of the crime."


So would "probably not", not mean no use for a registry?


You said nothing about not being a "miracle cure" either.


Inconvenient when you're reminded of previous posts isn't it ?


I think your own language skills are in need of sharpening.
 
Rich2018 said:
Yes backtracking

Your post #94:

"Probably not. It's not like that criminals who account for the massive scare of shootings would register their guns. Nor, is it likely that many shooters will conveniently drop their gun where it can conveniently be found at the scene of the crime."


So would "probably not", not mean no use for a registry?


You said nothing about not being a "miracle cure" either.


Inconvenient when you're reminded of previous posts isn't it ?


I think your own language skills are in need of sharpening.
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You asked if a registry would help. I said probably not and went on to explain why. Probably, is not the same as definitely. And the "registry" you link is a corner case to trace guns from FFLs that have gone out of business.

All I'm saying.
 
Rich2018 said:
You can think of no use law enforcement would have of a national and mandatory gun register ?


An argument from ignorance doesn't begin to describe your opposition.
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what makes things easier for the police is not more valuable than the rights of the citizens. This is why we are not a police state. Having been in law enforcement for 30 years I can tell you that these rights are far more vexing to police and prosecutors than the second amendment

1) fourth amendment-requiring a warrant to search a suspect's home etc

2) Miranda warnings-a court created "right" that has caused numerous prosecutions and arrests to go south when the police failed to warn someone that they can refuse to talk to cops and they can request an attorney at any time

3) Gideon "rights" "If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you"

4) Presumption of Innocence. the burden is on the state to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt

5) double jeopardy.

All of those rights hinder prosecution and investigations but we are supposed to be a free society where it is better 10 guilty go free than one innocent man hanged.
 
Bullseye said:
UH, yeah, that's where the "probably" comes in.

So, then we don't need a registry.
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Think this through

Rich wants to ban all guns

Rich admits he wants to disarm victims and he doesn't care if they are disarmed before violent criminals are

Rich wants a registry.

Why? because a registry helps facilitate a gun ban
 
Checked the dozens of guns in my gun safe-- as well as the half dozen of other loaded firearms laying around my house, and still none of them has suddenly killed anyone.

Pretty good record going on nearly 50 years I'd say!
 
Court Jester said:
Checked the dozens of guns in my gun safe-- as well as the half dozen of other loaded firearms laying around my house, and still none of them has suddenly killed anyone.

Pretty good record going on nearly 50 years I'd say!
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well according to some of the gun banners, your guns are either defective or you don't use them as intended.
 
CaughtInThe said:
dude. many of those women did leave. then the estranged/ex husbands hunted them like deer.

^ that post pretty much proves what i keep saying. people have no idea what's happening and even when i tell them they just assume a bunch of stuff. really odd, odd stuff.
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Source the bold? I am aware of some cases, and yes, men do ignore restraining orders, but those are not common.

And if the women had left earlier, it's likely it wouldnt have gone that far.
 
Fledermaus said:
No, it isn't.

Police say the teen placed the gun to his head and accidentally shot and killed himself.

That is damned stupidity. Sorry. But that is.

A bit of training and one lick of common sense and this would not have happened.
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Yes it is math. You're just attempting to use one event to prove that math doesn't work when it comes to the percentage of accidental shooting and the amount of gun ownership.

You see how dishonest that is, correct?
 
Lursa said:
Source the bold? I am aware of some cases, and yes, men do ignore restraining orders, but those are not common.

And if the women had left earlier, it's likely it wouldnt have gone that far.
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so you're saying some did leave and the ones that didn't leave earlier are the cause of them being gunned down by their husbands/boyfriends/exes? do i have that right?

you do know that in some cases that there was no domestic violence prior to the woman being gunned down, right?


man, the misinformation by some of you guys isn't unexpected but it's sad.
 
CaughtInThe said:
so you're saying some did leave and the ones that didn't leave earlier are the cause of them being gunned down by their husbands/boyfriends/exes? do i have that right?
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No. What you just wrote isnt comprehensible.

you do know that in some cases that there was no domestic violence prior to the woman being gunned down, right?
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I acknowledged that, altho as uncommon, however to say there was 'no domestic violence prior' is naive.


man, the misinformation by some of you guys isn't unexpected but it's sad.
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I didnt see you provide any proof of misinformation, and I'm not a guy.
 
Lursa said:
No. What you just wrote isnt comprehensible...
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no, you just don't want to answer. here, i'll try again...

"so you're saying some did leave and the ones that didn't leave earlier are the cause of them being gunned down by their husbands/boyfriends/exes? do i have that right?"



and next time you need to find the stories about women being gunned down, just google it. you can find whatever you want. now, are you gonna blame this Alabama victim somehow too? the one gunned down by an ex-cop. or are you gonna say that they had relationship problems and they shouldn't have tried to work them out? or are you gonna say he is mentally ill? maybe you will say she shouldn't have stayed with him for a whole year before separating? all of the above?

Ex-cop surrenders after estranged wife found dead in Mountain Brook - al.com

"A woman found shot to death in the Mountain Brook Athletic Complex parking lot on Sunday had obtained a restraining order against her husband, a former police officer as several law enforcement agencies."

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CaughtInThe said:
Yes it is math. You're just attempting to use one event to prove that math doesn't work when it comes to the percentage of accidental shooting and the amount of gun ownership.

You see how dishonest that is, correct?
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You can't fix stupid. There is no pill you can take. No class you can go to. Stupid is forever.

- Ron White
 
CaughtInThe said:
no, you just don't want to answer. here, i'll try again...

"so you're saying some did leave and the ones that didn't leave earlier are the cause of them being gunned down by their husbands/boyfriends/exes? do i have that right?"



and next time you need to find the stories about women being gunned down, just google it. you can find whatever you want. now, are you gonna blame this Alabama victim somehow too? the one gunned down by an ex-cop. or are you gonna say that they had relationship problems and they shouldn't have tried to work them out? or are you gonna say he is mentally ill? maybe you will say she shouldn't have stayed with him for a whole year before separating? all of the above?

Ex-cop surrenders after estranged wife found dead in Mountain Brook - al.com

"A woman found shot to death in the Mountain Brook Athletic Complex parking lot on Sunday had obtained a restraining order against her husband, a former police officer as several law enforcement agencies."

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And your proof she would still be alive if guns were not available?
 
Rich2018 said:
It doesn't matter who was shooting. Don't you get it ? Current gun control pr lack of isn't working. That woman is DEAD.

How do your precious guns protect you from this ?
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The same way my fire extinguisher protects me in an earthquake.

It doesn't, and it isn't meant to.
 
CaughtInThe said:
no, you just don't want to answer. here, i'll try again...

"so you're saying some did leave and the ones that didn't leave earlier are the cause of them being gunned down by their husbands/boyfriends/exes? do i have that right?"



and next time you need to find the stories about women being gunned down, just google it. you can find whatever you want. now, are you gonna blame this Alabama victim somehow too? the one gunned down by an ex-cop. or are you gonna say that they had relationship problems and they shouldn't have tried to work them out? or are you gonna say he is mentally ill? maybe you will say she shouldn't have stayed with him for a whole year before separating? all of the above?

Ex-cop surrenders after estranged wife found dead in Mountain Brook - al.com

"A woman found shot to death in the Mountain Brook Athletic Complex parking lot on Sunday had obtained a restraining order against her husband, a former police officer as several law enforcement agencies."
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You did nothing but reiterate and repeat, after doing a poor job of reading my response...and also not refuting my arguments.

I never said they didnt happen...and those arent examples of 'out of the blue' with no prior abuse.

Read better.
 
Fledermaus said:
You can't fix stupid. There is no pill you can take. No class you can go to. Stupid is forever.

- Ron White
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tell you what. you give me the % of gun carrying americans that you would like to see and i'll do the math for you.

pretty easy, no?
 
Fledermaus said:
And your proof she would still be alive if guns were not available?
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i didn't say she would be.

very slick attempt to change the subject though. i guess you were caught and had to post something.
 
Lursa said:
You did nothing but reiterate and repeat, after doing a poor job of reading my response...and also not refuting my arguments.

I never said they didnt happen...and those arent examples of 'out of the blue' with no prior abuse.

Read better.
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what else can you say. it's not like i can't post stories of women getting blown away in every fashion and in every circumstance by their husbands/boyfriends/exes.

it's really weird that once i brought attention to a real problem where kids are orphaned (with their dad locked up or dead) that you guys started attacking me.

really, really weird stuff. talk about being on the wrong side of an argument.
 
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