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Those Who Say Guns Aren't Good For Self Defense Don't Know Guns

England likes the idea of being able to kill easily too, what with stabbings surging in London.

Killing by stabbing is certainly far more difficult and far less likely to be lethal than shooting someone, otherwise why were guns invented in the first place ?
 
Killing by stabbing is certainly far more difficult and far less likely to be lethal than shooting someone,
My firearms instructor who had once been stabbed said he would rather be shot than stabbed.

otherwise why were guns invented in the first place ?
For hunting, for food.
 
There are definitely some members of the Democratic party that are already advocating for some of that, and more that are open to it. Bernie Sanders is probably the closest thing we have to ideal right now, but he does support an "assault weapon" ban and other restrictions, which I'm not fond of. It's not likely that those things will get passed, and I doubt they're real priorities for him. All it'd take is a mass shooting to bring that up, though.

I disagree that this is a "both sides" issue. It's literally impossible to make headway with most conservatives, and certainly the Republican politicians. Some of their own policies from 20 years ago are considered "socialist" now.

The headway is towards an all out ban and confiscation. I'm done with "making headway".
 
Killing by stabbing is certainly far more difficult and far less likely to be lethal than shooting someone, otherwise why were guns invented in the first place ?

Tell that to all the people who have been stabbed to death.
 
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Guns have all kinds of use.

The facts are this. If you don’t live in a drug house or a home in a drug infested neighborhood or a home where gang activity, violence or other forms of criminal activity is commonplace, the studies most often used to claim that you are more at risk with a gun in your home than without are pure bull****. In fact the study most often cited studies 3 specifically targeted communities...all 3 chosen for their known high incidents of criminal activity. The VAST majority of gun owners are safe with their possession, ownership, and usage of firearms. On those rare occasions where relatively safe homes are broken into with the occupants at home, far more often than not, the intruders are driven away be it by dogs barking, someone shouting down the hallway letting the intruder know they are home and are on the phone with the cops, or if they are met by armed response. Stats show that defensive responses using a firearm occur somewhere between 2 to 2.5 million times a year. Defensive USE of said firearms...where the firearm was actually discharged...is for less...somewhere between 80,000 and 200,000 times a year. When people want to make the case that you are less safe with a gun than without, they ONLY focus on defensive USE, AND they also include suicides...which statistically dwarf the number deaths by firearm incurred during a home
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Guns have all kinds of use.

The facts are this. If you don’t live in a drug house or a home in a drug infested neighborhood or a home where gang activity, violence or other forms of criminal activity is commonplace, the studies most often used to claim that you are more at risk with a gun in your home than without are pure bull****. In fact the study most often cited studies 3 specifically targeted communities...all 3 chosen for their known high incidents of criminal activity. The VAST majority of gun owners are safe with their possession, ownership, and usage of firearms. On those rare occasions where relatively safe homes are broken into with the occupants at home, far more often than not, the intruders are driven away be it by dogs barking, someone shouting down the hallway letting the intruder know they are home and are on the phone with the cops, or if they are met by armed response. Stats show that defensive responses using a firearm occur somewhere between 2 to 2.5 million times a year. Defensive USE of said firearms...where the firearm was actually discharged...is for less...somewhere between 80,000 and 200,000 times a year. When people want to make the case that you are less safe with a gun than without, they ONLY focus on defensive USE, AND they also include suicides...which statistically dwarf the number deaths by firearm incurred during a home
Invasion.


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sigh, no matter how many times you continue to repeat falsehoods, it doesn't make them true. and since you're just spewing without providing any actual sources or studies, you're not going to change anyone's mind.
 
sigh, no matter how many times you continue to repeat falsehoods, it doesn't make them true. and since you're just spewing without providing any actual sources or studies, you're not going to change anyone's mind.
There isnt a single comment I made that is a falsehood. And lets not pretend are going to change your mind no matter how much the truth ****s in your face.
 
There isnt a single comment I made that is a falsehood. And lets not pretend are going to change your mind no matter how much the truth ****s in your face.

you clearly wouldn't know truth if it burst out of your chest, but since you were the one making claims, i'll gladly give you the opportunity to prove them.
 
you clearly wouldn't know truth if it burst out of your chest, but since you were the one making claims, i'll gladly give you the opportunity to prove them.

You called his statements "falsehoods". You need to explain why you think this is the case.
 
you clearly wouldn't know truth if it burst out of your chest, but since you were the one making claims, i'll gladly give you the opportunity to prove them.
These are commonly known facts and experience on this site demonstrates that even after presented with proof, anti-gun leftists just slink away from the thread only to repost the same lies again in other threads.

SO sure..I'll make you make you a deal. I post the link that demonstrates that the survey used to show guns are more likely to be used against you actually focused on specific crime ridden cities AND the FBI stats that show defensive responses...


and All you have to do in return is once I provide those links you admit you are talking out of your ass, literally know less than nothing about this topic...and then leave the site...permanently.

Deal?

You are the one talking big **** and wading in making accusations (I dont think we have met before...have we?) so all you have to do is put some muscle behind your hustle. Should be an EASY call for you to make.
 
These are commonly known facts and experience on this site demonstrates that even after presented with proof, anti-gun leftists just slink away from the thread only to repost the same lies again in other threads.

SO sure..I'll make you make you a deal. I post the link that demonstrates that the survey used to show guns are more likely to be used against you actually focused on specific crime ridden cities AND the FBI stats that show defensive responses...


and All you have to do in return is once I provide those links you admit you are talking out of your ass, literally know less than nothing about this topic...and then leave the site...permanently.

Deal?

You are the one talking big **** and wading in making accusations (I dont think we have met before...have we?) so all you have to do is put some muscle behind your hustle. Should be an EASY call for you to make.


i won't leave the site, but i'll acknowledge that you're right, and one of the few people on this site that seems to actually care at all about reality and facts.
 
i won't leave the site, but i'll acknowledge that you're right, and one of the few people on this site that seems to actually care at all about reality and facts.

Most of us who are pro rights advocates care. Facts are on our side.
 
i won't leave the site, but i'll acknowledge that you're right, and one of the few people on this site that seems to actually care at all about reality and facts.
And yet you had no problem accusing me of lying with no previous exchanges.
 
And here you have time to whine about my posts, but you still haven't provided any source for your claims.

You havent shown why you think his statements are "falsehoods", either.
 
i'm not the one claiming that prominent studies are false

Human research is almost always subject to error and is often susceptible to flawed experimental methods and erroneous or misguided interpretations. That is why science claims it cannot irrefutably prove anything.
 
And here you have time to whine about my posts, but you still haven't provided any source for your claims.
Do you really think I dont have the link to the bull**** Kellerman Study from 1986 that the left constantly quotes that focused on ONE county...King County Washington? Do you think I dont have the links to the Crime Bureau stats that show 200+ or the Harvard study...an antigun study that shows much lower estimates at around 80,000? Or hey...how about the Hemenway study where after attempting to refute the Kleck studies (studies called by Marvin Wolfgang, who was acknowledged in 1994 by the British Journal of Criminology as ″the most influential criminologist in the English-speaking world″ whostated about Kleck's research on defensive gun use "I am as strong a gun-control advocate as can be found among the criminologists in this country. The Kleck and Gertz study impresses me for the caution the authors exercise and the elaborate nuances they examine methodologically. I do not like their conclusions that having a gun can be useful, but I cannot fault their methodology. They have tried earnestly to meet all objections in advance and have done exceedingly well.") by claiming phone surveys are 'unreliable, then USED phone surveys to offer Harvards two studies from 1996 and 1999...studies still cited today?

Nah dood. Ive got about 100 linked studies that you are welcome to peruse...just as soon as you commit to checking the **** out. See...you came in here with your bull****. Im simply asking you to commit to backing it up.

Now...maybe you STILL dont have the sack to back up your earlier accusation. OK. Ive given you enough Easter Eggs (I'm charitable like that) for you tro do your own digging on the studies. But you wont. And you can believe it or not...I dont much give a **** about your opinion. You start off a contact calling someone a liar, you should have the stones to back it up. If you dont...Ive got no use for you.
 
i'm not the one claiming that prominent studies are false
BOTH SIDES claim 'prominent studies' are false based on their bias and bent.

Or do you just automatically believe John Lott because he has introduced prominent studies?

What I said was the studies were bull**** because they are designed to produce specific results and to make their claims they cherry pick specific counties and omit uses of defensive weapons in their studies unless they result in deaths. Which is 100% true.
 
Do you really think I dont have the link to the bull**** Kellerman Study from 1986 that the left constantly quotes that focused on ONE county...King County Washington? Do you think I dont have the links to the Crime Bureau stats that show 200+ or the Harvard study...an antigun study that shows much lower estimates at around 80,000? Or hey...how about the Hemenway study where after attempting to refute the Kleck studies (studies called by Marvin Wolfgang, who was acknowledged in 1994 by the British Journal of Criminology as ″the most influential criminologist in the English-speaking world″ whostated about Kleck's research on defensive gun use "I am as strong a gun-control advocate as can be found among the criminologists in this country. The Kleck and Gertz study impresses me for the caution the authors exercise and the elaborate nuances they examine methodologically. I do not like their conclusions that having a gun can be useful, but I cannot fault their methodology. They have tried earnestly to meet all objections in advance and have done exceedingly well.") by claiming phone surveys are 'unreliable, then USED phone surveys to offer Harvards two studies from 1996 and 1999...studies still cited today?

Nah dood. Ive got about 100 linked studies that you are welcome to peruse...just as soon as you commit to checking the **** out. See...you came in here with your bull****. Im simply asking you to commit to backing it up.

Now...maybe you STILL dont have the sack to back up your earlier accusation. OK. Ive given you enough Easter Eggs (I'm charitable like that) for you tro do your own digging on the studies. But you wont. And you can believe it or not...I dont much give a **** about your opinion. You start off a contact calling someone a liar, you should have the stones to back it up. If you dont...Ive got no use for you.



BOTH SIDES claim 'prominent studies' are false based on their bias and bent.

Or do you just automatically believe John Lott because he has introduced prominent studies?

What I said was the studies were bull**** because they are designed to produce specific results and to make their claims they cherry pick specific counties and omit uses of defensive weapons in their studies unless they result in deaths. Which is 100% true.


man, that's a lot of typing and no source, so i guess we're done here. i'm ignoring you now.
 
man, that's a lot of typing and no source, so i guess we're done here. i'm ignoring you now.
:lamo

Yep...to be blunt...you arent worth the time to post resources. But heres the reality. You and I both know you either have already seen those studies debinked and are content to keep regurgitating them or even after given you the authors names still arent willing to read and learn what you are on about. So...hasta, baby. If you every want to put your money where your mouth is...say the word.
 
BOTH SIDES claim 'prominent studies' are false based on their bias and bent.

Or do you just automatically believe John Lott because he has introduced prominent studies?

What I said was the studies were bull**** because they are designed to produce specific results and to make their claims they cherry pick specific counties and omit uses of defensive weapons in their studies unless they result in deaths. Which is 100% true.

Interesting fact-several of the pro gun rights studies were written by people who were anti gun when they started. Lott for example. And prominent advocate for arming women-Paxton Quigley, was a Democratic Party operative who started off anti gun. Almost all the anti gun studies are written by people who were gun banners or gun restrictionists long before they became "researchers"
 
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