This is why you never trust people like Schiff

[jnug]

Document reveals Ukraine had already reopened probe of Hunter Biden-linked firm months before Trump phone call | Fox News

A newly unearthed document shows that Ukrainian officials had opened a new probe into the firm linked to Hunter Biden months before President Trump's phone call with that country's leader, Fox News contributor John Solomon reported late Tuesday.

"The U.S. government had open-source intelligence and was aware as early as February of 2019 that the Ukrainian government was planning to reopen the Burisma investigation," he claimed. "This is long before the president ever imagined having a call with President Zelensky," he added, noting Petro Poroshenko was still Ukraine's president at that time.

"This is a significant shift in the factual timeline."

Solomon said the information he obtained, including documents shown on "Hannity" Tuesday, was omitted from a U.S. intelligence community whistleblower's complaint lodged against Trump last month.
Solomon said that NABU -- an FBI-like anti-corruption agency in Ukraine -- requested the probe into Burisma and owner Mykola Zlochevsky be reopened earlier this year. The investigation then went forward, Solomon said. The new probe later resulted in a "Notice of Suspicion" being filed, alleging the existence of "illicit funds" running through the firm, Solomon also claimed.

The younger Biden was reportedly paid as much as $1 million per year for his time on the board, but Solomon said investigators in Ukraine filed a 15-page "notice of suspicion" indicating they were "looking at the possibility that the $3.4 million paid to Hunter Biden's firm may have been part of the illicit funds that were moving through the company."

"A month later, in April, the prosecutor's office -- open-source intelligence, again -- the U.S. government officials confirming they were aware of this -- made a request of another investigative agency in Ukraine for assistance in going through these bank records," Solomon claimed.

The WB needs to testify as to why he lied.
schiff needs to testify as to why this was left out of evidence?

I told you people that this whole thing stunk to high heaven and schiff was behind the stench.

This is probably what trump was talking if he was talking about investigations at all.
wow finally the truth comes out.

Asked and answered in the actual House testimony though I am sure you missed it. The Ukrainians were back after the owner of Burisma again and well they should have been.

 

[less right]

he was making an awful lot of damn money for just a hope.

Different world (from us workin' stiffs). Different concept of money. Different availability of money to burn... I mean invest.

They might have thought that was cheap risk. Apparently they were buying board members from around the world.

 

[ludin]

Asked and answered in the actual House testimony though I am sure you missed it. The Ukrainians were back after the owner of Burisma again and well they should have been.

So why did schiff not include this and why did the WB not include this in testimony?
so investigations were getting started under the old president.

If any discussions of investigations occured it was to ensure that these would continue.
trump can't pressure someone into doing something that they are already doing.

so once again schiff FAILS.

 

[less right]

Sondland had no evidence. he speculated but nothing more.
the issue is that the Ukrainian government had already decided on investigations back in Feb of 19.

According to the low-informed there was no evidence forthcoming from the House hearings. Excuse me if that's too stupid to contemplate and too stupid to waste time refuting, even one witness at a time.

So answer the question. Why would Trump need a favor to do something that was already happening?

 

[less right]

You think you recall is the entire basis of impeachment. There is a reason it is not allowed in courts.

I wouldn't let me testify either.

Sondland on the other hand had first hand information about what happened around him.

 

[less right]

Fire the prosecutor or you don't get the billion dollars is, in fact, extortion. There are plenty of copies of that video on the internet should you actually care to find one. If not, then Donnie will have it in his campaign ads as soon as he is cleared by the Senate.

I can't believe the dullness of equating what Biden did to what Trump did.

It's like comparing national policy to personal favors.

 

[jnug]

So why did schiff not include this and why did the WB not include this in testimony?
so investigations were getting started under the old president.

If any discussions of investigations occured it was to ensure that these would continue.
trump can't pressure someone into doing something that they are already doing.

so once again schiff FAILS.

Sorry...you have failed. Its in the House testimony. This is old news and not relevant to either Biden.

Lets not forget that the Ukraine Chief Prosecutor at that time was Lutsenko. Lutsenko has already stated that he had NOTHING on the Bidens. That he was just stringing drunkin' Rudy along in Lutsenko's efforts to get corruption fighter Yovanovitch recalled! Yovanovitch was cramping Lutsenko's efforts to follow in Shokin's footprints.

So, Trump not only gets played by the Putins and KJU's of the world. He gets played by a Ukraine prosecutor. But then again, all you have to do with DonDon is bait your hook with something he thinks will give him a personal advantage and it does not matter who gets caught in the collateral damage.That of course includes a 35 year State Department veteran corruption fighter and Eastern Europe expert that we will be loath to replace. Smooth DonDon...real smooth. You are one sorry excuse for a President and even for a patriot.

 

[Integrityrespec]

Document reveals Ukraine had already reopened probe of Hunter Biden-linked firm months before Trump phone call | Fox News

A newly unearthed document shows that Ukrainian officials had opened a new probe into the firm linked to Hunter Biden months before President Trump's phone call with that country's leader, Fox News contributor John Solomon reported late Tuesday.

"The U.S. government had open-source intelligence and was aware as early as February of 2019 that the Ukrainian government was planning to reopen the Burisma investigation," he claimed. "This is long before the president ever imagined having a call with President Zelensky," he added, noting Petro Poroshenko was still Ukraine's president at that time.

"This is a significant shift in the factual timeline."

Solomon said the information he obtained, including documents shown on "Hannity" Tuesday, was omitted from a U.S. intelligence community whistleblower's complaint lodged against Trump last month.
Solomon said that NABU -- an FBI-like anti-corruption agency in Ukraine -- requested the probe into Burisma and owner Mykola Zlochevsky be reopened earlier this year. The investigation then went forward, Solomon said. The new probe later resulted in a "Notice of Suspicion" being filed, alleging the existence of "illicit funds" running through the firm, Solomon also claimed.

The younger Biden was reportedly paid as much as $1 million per year for his time on the board, but Solomon said investigators in Ukraine filed a 15-page "notice of suspicion" indicating they were "looking at the possibility that the $3.4 million paid to Hunter Biden's firm may have been part of the illicit funds that were moving through the company."

"A month later, in April, the prosecutor's office -- open-source intelligence, again -- the U.S. government officials confirming they were aware of this -- made a request of another investigative agency in Ukraine for assistance in going through these bank records," Solomon claimed.

The WB needs to testify as to why he lied.
schiff needs to testify as to why this was left out of evidence?

I told you people that this whole thing stunk to high heaven and schiff was behind the stench.

This is probably what trump was talking if he was talking about investigations at all.
wow finally the truth comes out.

In an inpromptu press conference this morning Lindsey Graham gave a pretty compelling timeline of the Biden Burisma possible corruption. Looks like it needs looking into.

 

[jnug]

In an inpromptu press conference this morning Lindsey Graham gave a pretty compelling timeline of the Biden Burisma possible corruption. Looks like it needs looking into.

Solomon and Flip flop Lindsey Graham, two bastions of honest reporting and straight dealing. GIVE ME A BREAK!

 

[ludin]

In an inpromptu press conference this morning Lindsey Graham gave a pretty compelling timeline of the Biden Burisma possible corruption. Looks like it needs looking into.

of course it needs looked into.
you won't hear a democrats support it though.
how dare anyone look into their corruption that is impeachable.

 

[ludin]

Solomon and Flip flop Lindsey Graham, two bastions of honest reporting and straight dealing. GIVE ME A BREAK!

ad hominems are fallacies not arguments.
so you lose.

 

[jnug]

ad hominems are fallacies not arguments.
so you lose.

I made my argument in post #57 which you avoided. Just taking advantage of the opportunity to point out that neither flip flop Lindsey nor Solomon can be trusted as far as you can throw them.

 

[Integrityrespec]

If this is true, then why did Trump need to pressure Zelenskyy into announcing an investigation and why didn't Zelenskyy announce that investigation?

If this is true, the most that you have proved is that Trump's abuse of power was stupid...not that it wasn't there...

If it's true then it's hardly abuse of power. It's more like seeking out corruption among American Politicians and saving the U.S. money not wasted on a corrupt foreign government. So if its true we have evidence hidden from the country and deliberately concealed by democrats in yet another false accusation agains the President.

So investigate and see where it leads. If the Bidens and Schiff are innocent what do they have to lose.

 

[jnug]

If it's true then it's hardly abuse of power. It's more like seeking out corruption among American Politicians and saving the U.S. money not wasted on a corrupt foreign government. So if its true we have evidence hidden from the country and deliberately concealed by democrats in yet another false accusation agains the President.

So investigate and see where it leads. If the Bidens and Schiff are innocent what do they have to lose.

Witch Hunt request. Hoax desperately hunting for validation...like Barr's bogus investigations that have turned up NOTHING to date. But that won't stop clowns from asking for more of them.

What you asking for is what Trump wants....distractions from his criminal corruption, unscrupulousness, ignorance and the danger he represents to this Constitutional Republic.

 

[ludin]

I made my argument in post #57 which you avoided. Just taking advantage of the opportunity to point out that neither flip flop Lindsey nor Solomon can be trusted as far as you can throw them.

i didn't avoid it i very much took care of it you should read the OP.
denial fallacies are not arguments.

 

[jnug]

i didn't avoid it i very much took care of it you should read the OP.
denial fallacies are not arguments.

Like I said....OLD NEWS. The most recent bit of news in the entire thread is Lutsenko stating that he never had ANYTHING on the Bidens, either one of them.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Document reveals Ukraine had already reopened probe of Hunter Biden-linked firm months before Trump phone call | Fox News

A newly unearthed document shows that Ukrainian officials had opened a new probe into the firm linked to Hunter Biden months before President Trump's phone call with that country's leader, Fox News contributor John Solomon reported late Tuesday.

"The U.S. government had open-source intelligence and was aware as early as February of 2019 that the Ukrainian government was planning to reopen the Burisma investigation," he claimed. "This is long before the president ever imagined having a call with President Zelensky," he added, noting Petro Poroshenko was still Ukraine's president at that time.

"This is a significant shift in the factual timeline."

Solomon said the information he obtained, including documents shown on "Hannity" Tuesday, was omitted from a U.S. intelligence community whistleblower's complaint lodged against Trump last month.
Solomon said that NABU -- an FBI-like anti-corruption agency in Ukraine -- requested the probe into Burisma and owner Mykola Zlochevsky be reopened earlier this year. The investigation then went forward, Solomon said. The new probe later resulted in a "Notice of Suspicion" being filed, alleging the existence of "illicit funds" running through the firm, Solomon also claimed.

The younger Biden was reportedly paid as much as $1 million per year for his time on the board, but Solomon said investigators in Ukraine filed a 15-page "notice of suspicion" indicating they were "looking at the possibility that the $3.4 million paid to Hunter Biden's firm may have been part of the illicit funds that were moving through the company."

"A month later, in April, the prosecutor's office -- open-source intelligence, again -- the U.S. government officials confirming they were aware of this -- made a request of another investigative agency in Ukraine for assistance in going through these bank records," Solomon claimed.

The WB needs to testify as to why he lied.
schiff needs to testify as to why this was left out of evidence?

I told you people that this whole thing stunk to high heaven and schiff was behind the stench.

This is probably what trump was talking if he was talking about investigations at all.
wow finally the truth comes out.

Your disinformation article is from last year (October).

No new investigation was opened into Burisma in the months before Trumps July 21 call.

Yurily Lutsenko wasn't doing any PG work at that time (after the Zelenskyy win) and was on his way out the door.

New PG Ruslan Riaboshapka had not been named yet.

 

[jnug]

Need I point out to you clowns that there was nothing preventing DOJ from opening an actual investigation into the Bidens. What were/are they waiting for....oh I know, waiting for Russia to hack Burisma, try to sift through it and find some corrupt activity on the part of the Bidens or more likely just make it up and push it out as an email dump.

Much better to try to get Ukraine to do Trump's dirty work. Except it was a FAIL. In fact it has turned out to be an epic fail.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Like I said....OLD NEWS. The most recent bit of news in the entire thread is Lutsenko stating that he never had ANYTHING on the Bidens, either one of them.

Former Ukraine prosecutor says Hunter Biden ‘did not violate anything’

 

[Rogue Valley]

What were/are they waiting for....oh I know, waiting for Russia to hack Burisma, try to sift through it and find some corrupt activity on the part of the Bidens or more likely just make it up and push it out as an email dump.

Yep. The Russians recently hacked Burisma

Putin no doubt ordered the GRU to find something there to help Donald Yanovich out with his impeachment mess.

 

[ludin]

Former Ukraine prosecutor says Hunter Biden ‘did not violate anything’

yea that was the one that got appointed by joe biden after he had the last one fired.
so well he doesn't count but if you look this is a new prosecutor not the one you quoted.

 

[ludin]

Your disinformation article is from last year (October).

No new investigation was opened into Burisma in the months before Trumps July 21 call.

Yurily Lutsenko wasn't doing any PG work at that time (after the Zelenskyy win) and was on his way out the door.

New PG Ruslan Riaboshapka had not been named yet.

you ad hominem is dismissed for what it is.
facts prove you leftists wrong yet again.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Since he has the actual documents i would say that he is very reliable.
ad hominems are fallacies not arguments.

Are the documents available for our perusal?

Or are we limited to taking Solomon's word on it?
If we are limited to taking Solomon's word on it, then Solomon's credibility is entirely the crux of the biscuit.
If there are documents we can look at, then a significant share of the burden is shifted from Solomon's reputation to the documents.

 

[Acadia]

I believe that too. I believe Burisma hired him hoping it would give them influence. No crime.

You need something that shows his hiring was based on more than Burisma's hopes. I haven't even heard anyone name a possible crime which tells me this whole "allegation" is a fishing expedition. (Allegation is in quotes because I've heard no specific allegation beyond 'corrupt')

Bottom line though is... guilty or innocent, Biden is not relevant to impeachment.

Are we to believe that Ukraine paid Biden's ne'er-do-well son millions and millions and they got nothing in return? No influence? No favors? NOTHING?
Are they really that stupid?

 

[Integrityrespec]

Witch Hunt request. Hoax desperately hunting for validation...like Barr's bogus investigations that have turned up NOTHING to date. But that won't stop clowns from asking for more of them.

What you asking for is what Trump wants....distractions from his criminal corruption, unscrupulousness, ignorance and the danger he represents to this Constitutional Republic.

How long has Barr's investigation gone on? How do you know it's turned up nothing yet. Looks like James Comey is in trouble for doing what Trump accused him of, leaking classified information.