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Third embassy to open in Jerusalem in under two weeks [W:159]

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CJ 2.0 said:
Sigh. Post 158.

And “Bluffing” doesn’t even make sense.


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Post 158 was your post! C'mon, can't you even get the post number right?
 
Phys251 said:
Post 158 was your post! C'mon, can't you even get the post number right?
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What? Is this real life? That was my response to your "point", which is what you were asking for. This is nonsensical.

Just give up if you are not going to engage. You took faux offense to me calling out your argument and are now playing rag the puck to move the discussion to something else since your faux offense was obviously unwarranted.

You made a not enough dead Jews argument. I called you on it. You expressed outrage that you would ever be accused of saying such thing. I explained it to you. You made the argument. So just move on...
 
CJ 2.0 said:
This is ridiculous on so many levels. it is not a slur to say that Hamas uses human shields and in fact that much of the Palestinian "resistance" involves the use of human shields. It is a fact.
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Those charged with investigating the claims, HRW people and others on the ground in the case of Lebanon , disagree with this " fact " rolled out by the IDF which had an official army policy to use the Palestinians as human shields. The claim against the IDF is not even the least bit contentious as well you know
And of course I then showed it to you and you once again ignore the evidence and decide to go all straw man?

Seriously, try to keep it together.
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The IDF is most definitely not a credible source , get over it
 
oneworld2 said:
Those charged with investigating the claims, HRW people and others on the ground in the case of Lebanon , disagree with this " fact " rolled out by the IDF which had an official army policy to use the Palestinians as human shields. The claim against the IDF is not even the least bit contentious as well you know


The IDF is most definitely not a credible source , get over it
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Yeah except there are primary sources here and you are so obviously wrong I’m happy to keep you issuing blanket denials of reality. Like I said, it helps show where the credibility is on this one, where once again you are doing everything you can to back up HAMAS and deny reality because that reality was explained to you by the Israelis.

Everyone should take a look at the drone footage again to see exactly what you are continuing to deny. It is literally staring you in the face but you refuse to see or acknowledge it.


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CJ 2.0 said:
What? Is this real life? That was my response to your "point", which is what you were asking for. This is nonsensical.

Just give up if you are not going to engage. You took faux offense to me calling out your argument and are now playing rag the puck to move the discussion to something else since your faux offense was obviously unwarranted.

You made a not enough dead Jews argument. I called you on it. You expressed outrage that you would ever be accused of saying such thing. I explained it to you. You made the argument. So just move on...
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WHERE. I want to see the EXACT TEXT where I made a "not enough dead Jews" argument. I don't want to see your reply to my alleged comment; I want to see the comment itself. You have yet to produce this despite REPEATED calls for this answer.
 
Apocalypse said:
Of course it's ridiculous, you're deciding out of nowhere and based on nothing that the eastern part of Jerusalem is "Palestinian occupied territory", how is it not ridiculous? Demonstrates the anti-Israeli logic at its finest.
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Most of the world considers it Occupied Palestinian Territory and it's your view that is in a tiny minority. It is based on laws that Israel signed up to

To refer to the absurd claims; the Jordanians don't control Jerusalem and have nothing to do with it, Jerusalem is Israeli controlled and part of Israel, Jordan deciding to "relinquish their (nonexistent) claim" long after the territory is no longer controlled by them to the Palestinians is meaningless and your belief that it makes the lands suddenly Palestinian by law and thus "Palestinian occupied territories" is so forced that it is, as rightfully called, ridiculous.
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The partition separated Jerusalem from both Arab state and Jewish state. In the war that followed Jews conquered West Jerusalem and Arabs East Jerusalem . Neither had title to them according to the partition. So for you to hold that the Jewish conquest was legitimate whilst the Arab one was not is evidently just staggering hypocrisy/bias .

Then they all sign the 4th Geneva Convention which forbids the acquisition of territory through warfare

The Israel initiates a war of conquest wrapped up as defence ( how we've seen that played out to death over the years ) and conquers East Jerusalem. Only by this time they have signed the contract that makes their attempted annexations illegal

You are occupying and illegally trying to annex East Jerusalem. That's what the world knows and that's why it is rightly considered to be Occupied Palestinian Territory by most of the world with just a tiny minority of law dodging fanatics saying otherwise
Jerusalem isn't Palestinian territory, hasn't been Palestinian and quite likely not going to be as there's no possible claim.
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The world disagrees and the law isn't on your side either Move on
 
Phys251 said:
And that is where your argument falls apart. You are still struggling to discern between terrorists and civilians. Furthermore, right there you are accusing me of saying something that I categorically did not say. Do you really want to base your argument around the implication that all Gazans are terrorists??
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You can't stand behind your nonsense which came out from your mouth, that's sad.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
Yeah except there are primary sources here and you are so obviously wrong I’m happy to keep you issuing blanket denials of reality. Like I said, it helps show where the credibility is on this one, where once again you are doing everything you can to back up HAMAS and deny reality because that reality was explained to you by the Israelis.

Everyone should take a look at the drone footage again to see exactly what you are continuing to deny. It is literally staring you in the face but you refuse to see or acknowledge it.


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You have provided precisely one source, the IDF. Given it's track record it's neither a credible source nor an unbiased source

The link I gave contained numerous sources from different nations and organisations. Cry foul all you want but it doesn't change anything

It's you that wishes to deny reality by ignoring that the rejectionism that has dogged the conflict is from both sides. You foolishly expect people who know a little to believe your claim that it's only a problem on the Palestinian side.

Those who know a little can reference the UNGA voting on support for the two state solution and see for themselves that Israel has voted against it every year for 30 odd years.

Those that care to look past the hyperbole regarding Hamas will find that they have said they are willing to accept a two state solution based on the 67 borders if it is backed by a national referendum of the Palestinians

Your lack of a response to these points is fully expected here
 
NO1 said:
You can't stand behind your nonsense which came out from your mouth, that's sad.
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You said, and I quote:

NO1 said:
Here is what you wrote -

In other words you said Gazans have no liberties so they use terror. Which as I said wrong.
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That is a clear failure to discern between Gazans and terrorists. If you meant otherwise then clarification would be helpful. Can you admit, then, that only a tiny fraction of Gazans are terrorists?
 
oneworld2 said:
Most of the world considers it Occupied Palestinian Territory and it's your view that is in a tiny minority. It is based on laws that Israel signed up to



The partition separated Jerusalem from both Arab state and Jewish state. In the war that followed Jews conquered West Jerusalem and Arabs East Jerusalem . Neither had title to them according to the partition. So for you to hold that the Jewish conquest was legitimate whilst the Arab one was not is evidently just staggering hypocrisy/bias .

Then they all sign the 4th Geneva Convention which forbids the acquisition of territory through warfare

The Israel initiates a war of conquest wrapped up as defence ( how we've seen that played out to death over the years ) and conquers East Jerusalem. Only by this time they have signed the contract that makes their attempted annexations illegal

You are occupying and illegally trying to annex East Jerusalem. That's what the world knows and that's why it is rightly considered to be Occupied Palestinian Territory by most of the world with just a tiny minority of law dodging fanatics saying otherwise


The world disagrees and the law isn't on your side either Move on
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As usual the sole basis you're able to provide to senseless claims you are caught making is ambiguous references to 'the world'.

1) There's no law that says the eastern part of Jerusalem is "Palestinian occupied territory" as you claimed out of nowhere.
2) The partition hasn't even seen the light as you recall it was rejected by the Arab aggressors attempting to annihilate Israel.
3) Even if you do bring it up it's not saying it's a Palestinian territory but an international one, the fact Israel liberated it and controls it now doesn't mean the partition plan has magically and suddenly meant that it would be Palestinian territory and there's absolutely zero sense to be made in this suggestion of yours.
4) I'm not referring to the legitimacy of the liberation of Jerusalem by Israel, I'm only referring here to the fact that you're claiming it is a Palestinian territory, you're merely moving the goalpost here instead of having an independent discussion about how bizarre your declaration that it is a Palestinian territory truly is by every standard. Israel's legitimacy while crystal clear is not part of the discussion here, only the fact that Jerusalem isn't Palestinian territory.

As I said this is a golden proof of the lack of logic of your world view and I think it's a perfect demonstration of that senseless, stay-away-from-the-facts and engage-in-the-constant-denial-of-history mindset you choose to promote here.
 
oneworld2 said:
You have provided precisely one source, the IDF. Given it's track record it's neither a credible source nor an unbiased source

The link I gave contained numerous sources from different nations and organisations. Cry foul all you want but it doesn't change anything

It's you that wishes to deny reality by ignoring that the rejectionism that has dogged the conflict is from both sides. You foolishly expect people who know a little to believe your claim that it's only a problem on the Palestinian side.

Those who know a little can reference the UNGA voting on support for the two state solution and see for themselves that Israel has voted against it every year for 30 odd years.

Those that care to look past the hyperbole regarding Hamas will find that they have said they are willing to accept a two state solution based on the 67 borders if it is backed by a national referendum of the Palestinians

Your lack of a response to these points is fully expected here
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Please tell me more. Is the video doctored? Is the Hamas manual doctored or is it a "false translation" like you push to ignore the MEMRI translations of Arab media? I mean, we can't all be as pristine sources as Hamas, which you seem to rely on for things like casualty figures and causation without any sort of critical thinking, but surely you can do a bit better than ignoring the drone video because only the IDF has drone footage and the IDF is way worse than Hamas or something?

I mean, sure, you also have a bunch of biased organizations saying non-specific things about how they (like you) don't see evidence of things they categorically refuse to look for, but it must be hard for you to ignore reality so determinedly that you actually genuinely BELIEVE Hamas doesn't use human shields?!? You do seem to actually believe it? Not sure how that's possible, but I guess whatever lets you sleep at night given the close alignment of your propaganda and Hamas'.
 
Phys251 said:
You said, and I quote:



That is a clear failure to discern between Gazans and terrorists. If you meant otherwise then clarification would be helpful. Can you admit, then, that only a tiny fraction of Gazans are terrorists?
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It's clearly you trolling. Every post of yours in this thread is failure, starting from saying Paraguay wants war because she moved it embassy to the nonsense you are saying about the blockade.
For what it worth here what I wrote -
I don't think every Gazan is a terrorist
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Apocalypse said:
As usual the sole basis you're able to provide to senseless claims you are caught making is ambiguous references to 'the world'.

1) There's no law that says the eastern part of Jerusalem is "Palestinian occupied territory" as you claimed out of nowhere.
2) The partition hasn't even seen the light as you recall it was rejected by the Arab aggressors attempting to annihilate Israel.
3) Even if you do bring it up it's not saying it's a Palestinian territory but an international one, the fact Israel liberated it and controls it now doesn't mean the partition plan has magically and suddenly meant that it would be Palestinian territory and there's absolutely zero sense to be made in this suggestion of yours.
4) I'm not referring to the legitimacy of the liberation of Jerusalem by Israel, I'm only referring here to the fact that you're claiming it is a Palestinian territory, you're merely moving the goalpost here instead of having an independent discussion about how bizarre your declaration that it is a Palestinian territory truly is by every standard. Israel's legitimacy while crystal clear is not part of the discussion here, only the fact that Jerusalem isn't Palestinian territory.

As I said this is a golden proof of the lack of logic of your world view and I think it's a perfect demonstration of that senseless, stay-away-from-the-facts and engage-in-the-constant-denial-of-history mindset you choose to promote here.
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You're right, of course. The same folks who are supremely dedicated to "the law" above all else (except as it applies to Palestinian war crimes) seem to magically apply it only to the Jews when it can be used against them and never against the Palestinians unless it is helpful to them.

So you get nonsense like Jerusalem not being "allocated" to either the Jews or the Arabs and therefore the Jews don't have a claim to West Jerusalem until "final status" is settled but yet East Jerusalem, which was never to be given to the Arabs and never actually in the sovereign possession of the Palestinians ever for a single second since the history of mankind, is "occupied Palestinian territory".

It is such an obvious inconsistency yet they seem completely unable to process or deal with it.

And of course all of this ignores the actual "international law" which gave all of that territory explicitly to the Jews for a Jewish national home, with such grant never once superseded by any other laws, including the Geneva convention they purport to like (except when it would involve sanctioning the Palestinians for war crimes, which it would require on a pretty much continuous basis).
 
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NO1 said:
It's clearly you trolling. Every post of yours in this thread is failure, starting from saying Paraguay wants war because she moved it embassy to the nonsense you are saying about the blockade.
For what it worth here what I wrote -
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And here come the personal insults. A clear sign of a failing argument.

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That is not the same as admitting that only a tiny fraction of Gazans are terrorists. That leaves wide open the possibility that you believe that most Gazans are terrorists. Why do you continue to do this? Why won't you just admit that that fraction of people is very small?
 
Phys251 said:
You have got to be kidding me. Are you seriously suggesting that this question:



Is a "not enough dead Jews" argument?? Simply asking someone to acknowledge which side has more dead civilians??
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Yes, it is.

Why do you ask the original question?


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CJ 2.0 said:
Yes, it is.
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Why?? Why is it in any way, shape or form a "not enough dead Jews" argument to simply ask who has more casualties? You are making an extraordinary claim and you must produce extraordinary evidence to support it. So far you have failed miserably to do this.
 
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