They're Coming For Mt. Rushmore

[Harry Guerrilla]

Literally nobody has suggested taking down Rushmore but ****ing Breitbart says so, and OP truly believes it to be true.

Fake news.

Vice just published this article.
"Let's blow up Mount Rushmore."

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9kkkby/lets-blow-up-mount-rushmore?

 

[iguanaman]

Actually yesterday in NYC there was a leftist group protesting the statue of Theodore Roosevelt at the NYC Museum of History. They claim Roosevelt was a racist and want the statue torn down.

There was another call this morning in Chicago to remove a statue of George Washington for the same reason.

George and Theodore are both part of Mt. Rushmore. So where does it end?

Where it should end, with all statutes of the Confederacy removed from public land. Their presence is an insult to blacks and our union. Clouding the issue will not succeed.

 

[Deuce]

Actually yesterday in NYC there was a leftist group protesting the statue of Theodore Roosevelt at the NYC Museum of History. They claim Roosevelt was a racist and want the statue torn down.

There was another call this morning in Chicago to remove a statue of George Washington for the same reason.

George and Theodore are both part of Mt. Rushmore. So where does it end?

Oh look, more people who didn't say anything about Rushmore.

 

[Deuce]

Vice just published this article.
"Let's blow up Mount Rushmore."

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9kkkby/lets-blow-up-mount-rushmore?

You should read articles you post.

 

[chuckiechan]

It didn't happen "suddenly"- there's been momentum building against symbols of slavery for years; the confederate flag, for example.

Maybe, but the clash was engineered by the city's political anti- conservative leaders.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

You should read articles you post.

I did.
The guy said very clearly he would get behind the effort, although it's unlikely to happen.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

First it was flags. Remember that? People wanted to change certain flags of Southern states. Now it's statues and Stone Mountain. People want statues that were connected to the Confederacy torn down. Okay, so what's next?

Monticello? Mt. Vernon? Cemeteries of Confederate dead? Mt. Rushmore? Al Sharpton is calling for the removal of the Jefferson Memorial in Washington DC. is that a good idea?

All these things have something in common. All are connected to slavery, bigotry and racism. So, if we are to tear down these things, should we also disband the Democratic Party which gave us slavery, Jim Crow and, the Klan?

Kassam: They're Coming for Mount Rushmore, But They SHOULD Be Tearing Down the DemoKKKrat Party

I would laugh at this, but he is just repeating what the president said. And that is scary.

 

[Deuce]

I did.
The guy said very clearly he would get behind the effort, although it's unlikely to happen.

It's pretty clear you skimmed it.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

It's pretty clear you skimmed it.

Yea I did, busted.

 

[BillRM]

Nope. Slavery was supported by those who attended the US Constitutional convention, which is why slavery existed in the USA. There was no significant political opposition to slavery, and everyone who attended the convention was a rabid racist, which is why colored people were not considered citizens of the USA, nor could they vote. Your bad is that you know less about US history than the average third grader.

When you claimed that racism came from the dems, without mentioning the GOP's racist foundations, from day one, then why exclude the GOP in your statement?

Here are the real facts: Racism started before the Dems existed.

Nonsense Frankson for one was very very anti slavery in fact in the very first congress Frankson asked congress to review the matter and he was held in such high regard that congress met as a committee of the whole for days over the issue of slavery.

Does anyone here read any history books?

 

[vesper]

Where it should end, with all statutes of the Confederacy removed from public land. Their presence is an insult to blacks and our union. Clouding the issue will not succeed.

Who is clouding the issue? I just simply stated facts that some are not satisfied with removing Confederacy monuments. They want anyone related to our founding that owned slaves to be removed also.

Here is an example of those on cable declaring they see no difference between a Confederacy monument and a monument of Washington or Jefferson.



It was a different mindset in the 1700's as all the world pretty much found owning slaves acceptable. England certainly did. King George provided the slaves to work the plantations.

When one country would conquer another it didn't matter what your skin color but your nationality or religion often did that would turn you into a slave. Or if you were unfortunate to live in a country run by Marxists/Communists, you were either forced to provide for the military or they came looking for your abled body children and force them into labor camps which I think all would agree that too is a form of slavery. I know a little something about that as my great grandfather sold his possessions to get his two oldest boys to the U.S. to avoid having them work in labor camps for the Marxist/Communists.

There's a discussion we need to have about race. An honest one. An honest account of history. An honest account of lack of personal responsibility. An honest account of why so many kids of color are being raised in single mother homes.

Speaking of single mother homes, did you know the creep that took out a number of black members in a church in SC a couple of years ago was raised without a father? Did you know the 20 year old that ran into the crowd this weekend killing a woman and injuring many was from a single parent home with no father? Did you know most of the thugs involved in violence come from homes with no fathers? Did you know the majority of women who bring kids into this world without a father, had no father in their life either?

Yeah we need to have a big discussion and get to the bottom of all the anger. And I guarantee you it has nothing to do with George Washington, Robert E. Lee or Thomas Jefferson.

 

[iguanaman]

Who is clouding the issue? I just simply stated facts that some are not satisfied with removing Confederacy monuments. They want anyone related to our founding that owned slaves to be removed also.

Here is an example of those on cable declaring they see no difference between a Confederacy monument and a monument of Washington or Jefferson.



It was a different mindset in the 1700's as all the world pretty much found owning slaves acceptable. England certainly did. King George provided the slaves to work the plantations.

When one country would conquer another it didn't matter what your skin color but your nationality or religion often did that would turn you into a slave. Or if you were unfortunate to live in a country run by Marxists/Communists, you were either forced to provide for the military or they came looking for your abled body children and force them into labor camps which I think all would agree that too is a form of slavery. I know a little something about that as my great grandfather sold his possessions to get his two oldest boys to the U.S. to avoid having them work in labor camps for the Marxist/Communists.

There's a discussion we need to have about race. An honest one. An honest account of history. An honest account of lack of personal responsibility. An honest account of why so many kids of color are being raised in single mother homes.

Speaking of single mother homes, did you know the creep that took out a number of black members in a church in SC a couple of years ago was raised without a father? Did you know the 20 year old that ran into the crowd this weekend killing a woman and injuring many was from a single parent home with no father? Did you know most of the thugs involved in violence come from homes with no fathers? Did you know the majority of women who bring kids into this world without a father, had no father in their life either?

Yeah we need to have a big discussion and get to the bottom of all the anger. And I guarantee you it has nothing to do with George Washington, Robert E. Lee or Thomas Jefferson.

The fact that some are carrying this to extremes will not change the fact that monuments to built to "honor" those that committed treason on this country and caused the deaths of 100,s of 1000's of Americans are inappropriate and often were erected to intimidate blacks. None of our founding fathers will be effected so let's stop claiming that they will. We have 1500 statues honoring the Confederacy than will keep us plenty busy.

 

[Absentglare]

Maybe, but the clash was engineered by the city's political anti- conservative leaders.

Why do you want to force some other city to share your personal views- do you have any respect for freedom?

 

[iguanaman]

Offended? Hell, I’m on your side. Why stop at a few statues of Lee?



Really? ROTFL. In the 1920’s the Klan size was estimated at 5 million. That’s a lot of democrats. The South remained democrat as late as 1976 when Carter took the South. From there it swung back and forth into the 1990’s. About that time is when the left went full on kook mode and essentially lost the South. Not because of racism, unless you think 10’s of millions of Americans are ALL racists. LOL You might think that, I don’t know. Judging by all your errors, I’d say whoever taught you such nonsense, it isn’t your fault. I know we are all “deplorable” right?



Washington and Jefferson held slaves. Lincoln, like the father of the modern Democratic Party, Jackson, didn’t care for Indians. Remember that Trail of Tears thing? Jackson was a big time racist. Like that other darling Democrat, Nathan Bedford Forrest, founder of the Klan, hated blacks. Democrat leaders all through history hated blacks. LBJ actually referred to them (n-word) and even went as far to nickname one bill, “(the n-word) bill.” Before LBJ, we had Wilson, big on segregation, then of course we had FDR, imprisoned Japanese by executive order without due process. Let’s not forget Jim Crow, another democrat invention.
And even today, the left likes to keep blacks in the ‘hood and dependent on big gov’t handouts.

But, yeah, more to the point. Where does it end? I keep asking and not a single leftist has the wherewithal to answer that simple question. So, a few statues of Lee, Davis, Washington, Jefferson. Maybe Stone Mountain, Mt. Rushmore, Jefferson Memorial? Leftists are already talking about going further so pay attention.

It ends with statues that glorify the treason of the Confederacy, especially the military leader of the rebellion General Lee. He is the worst of the worst because he chose to fight for slavery when 40% of the military in Virginia fought for he North. Had he refused the war may have been shorter and the casualties less.

 

[vesper]

The fact that some are carrying this to extremes will not change the fact that monuments to built to "honor" those that committed treason on this country and caused the deaths of 100,s of 1000's of Americans are inappropriate and often were erected to intimidate blacks. None of our founding fathers will be effected so let's stop claiming that they will. We have 1500 statues honoring the Confederacy than will keep us plenty busy.

But the call to expand it past Confederate leaders is expanding. BLM and another group called for the removal of a statue of Theodore Roosevelt at the NYC museum of history a couple of days ago. Another call to take down statues of Washington and Jackson in parks in Chicago occurred yesterday.

So please spare me this is all about statues of the Confederacy. It isn't.

So let us have an honest discussion on what is behind the anger and hatred on both sides.

Let's talk about the number of males in their twenties who become violent within the fringes of our society that grow up fatherless.

Let's talk about the number of females escalating in numbers reproducing children becoming single mothers and the only father their child knows is Uncle Sam.

Yes lets get to the root of the anger as these kids often born into a life of poverty.

Washington, Jefferson and General Lee don't have a damn thing to do with the reason for those acting violent on both sides and full of hate.

It is a discussion that needs to be had.

 

[Linc]

I was just at Mount Rushmore in the Black Hills, a very sacred place inspired by the memory of President Theodore Roosevelt. I didn't see any visitors act out of place or hear any politics.

There will NEVER be hate rallies in our National Parks, Forests, or Monuments. I was blessed as a Chem/Physics teacher for those great kids and blessed to have the 10-week vacation in the summer to go west and northeast.

My subjects always went with me, inspired by the Great West to come up with great ideas. Unfortunately, this Mt. Rushmore bit is simply more deflective, hyperbolic fearmongering by the far right fringe. And yes, there's a far left fringe.

Folks need Present Moment Awareness ...

 

[eohrnberger]

So the south is just itching to repeat its attempt at treason?

No, it's not the South, but the misguided SJW's apparently in alliance with the ANTIFA fascists.

Much to pity, the Democrats and 'news' (tabloid propaganda) media have allied themselves with the ANTIFA cause.
Where in the news media was it covered that the ANTIFA were wrong to commit their acts of violence? Nada.

In fact, when Trump mentions this fact, he's excoriated by the 'news' (tabloid propaganda) media.

Specific to removal of historical monuments:

Most black Americans do not think Confederate statues should be removed because they are offensive, a Marist poll released Thursday found.


Forty-four percent of African Americans believe the Confederate statues should stay in place, while 11 percent said they’re unsure. The remaining 40 percent of African Americans polled said the statues should be removed.


Those surveyed were asked whether statues “honoring leaders of the Confederacy” should “remain as a historical symbol” or “be removed because they are offensive to some people,” or whether the respondent is unsure. NPR and PBS News Hour conducted the Marist poll Monday and Tuesday, following a weekend of violent protests sparked by the subject in Charlottesville, Va.


Latin Americans who participated overwhelmingly believe that Confederate monuments should stay in place — 65 percent said they should remain. Twenty-four percent said they should come down, while 11 percent said they weren’t sure.


White Americans also overwhelmingly supported keeping up Confederate monuments– 65 percent said they should stay, while 25 percent said they should be taken down. Eight percent said they weren’t sure if they should stay up or not. Most Republicans, Independents and those who identified as “soft” Democrats said the statues should stay. Fifty-seven percent of those identified as “strong” Democrats said the statues should be removed.


POLL: Most Black Americans Don’t Want Confederate Statues Removed

So who, exactly; which majority, is demanding that these statues and monuments be taken down? Which group has the 'news' (tabloid propaganda) media and Democrats aligned themselves with?

There have been four arrests in the wake of the vandalism of a Confederate statue Monday night in Durham, North Carolina.
. . . .
However, those arrested have something other than potential big fines in common. It turns out that at least three of them are members of the Communist Party. This seldom-reported fact is inconvenient to the narrative that the protest were spontaneous. The protests were in fact organized in large part by the communist Workers World Party, which the arrested members belong to.


According to ABC News, Workers World Party is fighting to bring about a socialist America (emphasis added):

It's a communist party that was founded in 1959 by a group led by Sam Marcy of the Socialist Workers Party. The group supports myriad issues including anti-racism to anti-imperialist struggles.

The party is active in the Black Lives Matter movement and supports the struggles of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer community. The group says they're “dedicated to organizing and fighting for a socialist revolution in the United States and around the world.”The group said it destroyed the statue hoping to “take down white supremacy.”

​

People Arrested for Vandalizing Confederate Statue All Have This One Shocking Thing in Common

Umm. Hmm.

 

[vesper]

What was that about just removing Confederacy statues?
Lincoln Statue Found Burned on Chicago's South Side: Alderman - NBC Chicago
Statue Of Slave Emancipator Abraham Lincoln Burned In Chicago's South side.

 

[Absentglare]

I was just at Mount Rushmore in the Black Hills, a very sacred place inspired by the memory of President Theodore Roosevelt. I didn't see any visitors act out of place or hear any politics.

There will NEVER be hate rallies in our National Parks, Forests, or Monuments. I was blessed as a Chem/Physics teacher for those great kids and blessed to have the 10-week vacation in the summer to go west and northeast.

My subjects always went with me, inspired by the Great West to come up with great ideas. Unfortunately, this Mt. Rushmore bit is simply more deflective, hyperbolic fearmongering by the far right fringe. And yes, there's a far left fringe.

Folks need Present Moment Awareness ...

I'm having trouble understanding why, "There will NEVER be hate rallies in our National Parks, Forests, or Monuments." Can you help me understand that?

 

[Linc]

I'm having trouble understanding why, "There will NEVER be hate rallies in our National Parks, Forests, or Monuments." Can you help me understand that?

The National Park System will Never give hate rallies a permit into their sacred grounds, no matter who the president is.

GOP lawmakers would overrule this, since they run the National Park System from DC. They know that future elections have consequences ...

 

[Rogue Valley]

Kassam: They're Coming for Mount Rushmore, But They SHOULD Be Tearing Down the DemoKKKrat Party

Breitbart. Fake nooz.

 

[LunaRose]

They're coming down because the left believes the statues represent racism.

You know, it's pretty sad that a statue of a man who died 146 years ago are being torn down when the Democratic Party, whose founder was racist, a party of Jim Crow, Woodrow Wilson, KKK, and LGJ who referred to Blacks as (n-word) still exists. That's why I'm all for removing any and all vestiges of racism. Take a wrecking ball to all of it. Let's get it done.

Do you not know 5th grade history? Do you honestly believe Republicans and Democrats have the same ideology as they did during the Civil War? Do you not understand the evolution of our political history? Jackson was not a liberal, the Southern Confederates were the complete opposite of liberal. It is quite clear you have no clue what you are talking about.....Democrats and Republicans were polar opposites of what both parties represent today....Know your 5th grade history...

 

[chuckiechan]

Why do you want to force some other city to share your personal views- do you have any respect for freedom?

It's not a cities function to set up cage matches between groups you give permits to and those you don't, just to see who beats the most **** out of the other. Are you daft?

 

[iguanaman]

But the call to expand it past Confederate leaders is expanding. BLM and another group called for the removal of a statue of Theodore Roosevelt at the NYC museum of history a couple of days ago. Another call to take down statues of Washington and Jackson in parks in Chicago occurred yesterday.

So please spare me this is all about statues of the Confederacy. It isn't.

So let us have an honest discussion on what is behind the anger and hatred on both sides.

Let's talk about the number of males in their twenties who become violent within the fringes of our society that grow up fatherless.

Let's talk about the number of females escalating in numbers reproducing children becoming single mothers and the only father their child knows is Uncle Sam.

Yes lets get to the root of the anger as these kids often born into a life of poverty.

Washington, Jefferson and General Lee don't have a damn thing to do with the reason for those acting violent on both sides and full of hate.
It is a discussion that needs to be had.

When any of our founders statues actually come down get back to me... Meanwhile the Confederate traitors are falling like flies and there is nothing you can do to stop it....not even this false equivalency. It could not come at a better time either. Also please stop using our founders names in the same sentence as that scum Lee. He should have been strung up for his crimes and would have if Grant had not interceded in his favor.

 

[vesper]

When any of our founders statues actually come down get back to me... Meanwhile the Confederate traitors are falling like flies and there is nothing you can do to stop it....not even this false equivalency. It could not come at a better time either.

I am not trying to stop it but tell you that there are those on the left that will not be satisfied with just Confederate statues. They have made that perfectly clear.

And I mentioned earlier a statue of Lincoln in South Chicago was trashed today. It has been there for almost 100 years.