• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

There Weren't any US Mass Shootings Yesterday

If the slaughter of elementary school kids didn't change the gun nuts, nothing will. But of course, it doesn't effect them so they don't care, they are selfish

Im absolutely appalled by the slaughter of school children, and that's why there should be armed faculty and staff on campus. As a matter of fact, some schools already do have faculty members who carry.
 
I agree, all automatic weapons such be banned.
They are, unless you've got a government job where you're using one.

Or if you've got a class III firearms permit which is quite hard to get.

If there isn't there should be a background check in every state.
We've got that. Federal law says that if you buy a firearm from an FFL dealer you have to get a background check, and its like that in all 50 states.
 
There Weren't any US Mass Shootings Yesterday

~ There usually isn't. :peace
 
Im absolutely appalled by the slaughter of school children, and that's why there should be armed faculty and staff on campus. As a matter of fact, some schools already do have faculty members who carry.

~ What about metal detectors ?
 
They are, unless you've got a government job where you're using one.

Or if you've got a class III firearms permit which is quite hard to get.


We've got that. Federal law says that if you buy a firearm from an FFL dealer you have to get a background check, and its like that in all 50 states.

But not for private sales
 
No.. its not a loophole. The law has always been intended for dealers.

Many congressmen who voted for the brady bill were not in favor of trying to make INTRA state private sales covered by the law. Some knew what we all know-you cannot enforce a private sale background check, and others felt that the commerce clause was not sufficient authority to reach sales that-by law-can only be INTRA state
 
Now that sounds like a loophole that SHOULD be closed so metal detectors can do their job.;)

And how do you propose we close it, politely ask school shooters to not shoot until they get inside the building?
 
There Weren't any US Mass Shootings Yesterday

~ There usually isn't. :peace

I think you are in denial.

Mass shootings 2019: There have been more mass shootings than days this year, according to Gun Violence Archive - CBS News

The amount of mass shootings across the U.S. so far in 2019 has outpaced the number of days this year, according to a gun violence research group. This puts 2019 on pace to be the first year since 2016 with an average of more than one mass shooting a day.
 
I think you are in denial.

Mass shootings 2019: There have been more mass shootings than days this year, according to Gun Violence Archive - CBS News

The amount of mass shootings across the U.S. so far in 2019 has outpaced the number of days this year, according to a gun violence research group. This puts 2019 on pace to be the first year since 2016 with an average of more than one mass shooting a day.

Most mass shootings don't get national press because they don't support the anti gun narrative. "A gun violence research group"?
 
As the death count is still rising from the three horrendous mass shootings in the past week, and innocent victims continue to suffer in hospital beds, you have to ask yourself why gun owners are so stubborn about assault-style weapons. You would think that responsible, law-abiding gun owners who own common-sense weapons would be the first ones to desire a ban on assault-style weapons.
Assault weapons are already tightly regulated, have never been used to perpetrate any mass murder, and are not a problem in this country.


Undoubtedly, we'll see the usual quibbling about definitions of assault weapons, types of triggers, gun add-ons, etc.
No quibbling. An assault weapon is capable of full auto fire.


I know that New York passed the SAFE Legislation, which outlawed assault-style weapons,
That is incorrect. It outlawed ordinary semi-auto weapons.


and it was challenged to the SCOTUS, and was dismissed.
The fact that they didn't take the case does not lessen the violation of people's civil liberties.

I suggest that all additional gun control be blocked, even if it is otherwise acceptable and would actually save lives, until all of these unconstitutional laws are abolished and progressives pay compensation to all of the gun owners whose civil liberties they have violated so grievously.


So tell me more about this "common gun" version of the 2nd Amendment that you have created.
I assume that he is referring to the fact that the government is not allowed to restrict a gun unless they can demonstrate a compelling government interest.


The New York SAFE law protects constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens, while using common-sense gun control, registrations, waiting periods, etc.
That is incorrect. It grievously violates people's civil liberties.

Why do people who want to violate civil liberties always use terms like "reasonable" and "common sense"?


Take this nationwide.
Never.


I missed that part in the 2nd amendment about "Waiting Periods".:roll:
Fundamental rights can only be restricted if there is a compelling government interest. I've yet to see any justification given for a waiting period longer than three days (and that only if the background check doesn't clear immediately).


That power is available to any state that wants to institute "waiting periods".
Not if the waiting period has no justification.


Any state can ban assault weapons.
Perhaps, but banning ordinary semi-autos is unconstitutional.


Yeah, how's that working out....

Supreme Court rules on states' assault weapons ban - CBS News

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court has rejected challenges to assault weapons bans in Connecticut and New York, in the aftermath of the shooting attack on a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, that left 50 people dead.

The justices on Monday left in place a lower court ruling that upheld laws that were passed in response to another mass shooting involving a semi-automatic weapon, the elementary school attack in Newtown, Connecticut.


Seven states currently ban assault-style weapons, and many more have legislation on the books. America is not buying the crap anymore.
Those laws ban ordinary weapons, not assault weapons.

As I suggested above, we should oppose all gun control measures, even if they are otherwise acceptable and would actually save lives, until these unconstitutional monstrosities are abolished and progressives pay compensation to all of the gun owners whose civil liberties they have violated so grievously.


Most of these rejections were after Heller. Assault-like weapons will soon be history in this country, as sanity starts to restore itself.
That is unlikely. They are not a problem, and many parts of the country are unlikely to outlaw them.
 
The second amendment needs updating like the rest of our constitution.
I disagree. I do not think that civil liberties should be abolished.


If these mass killings continue and I see no reason they won't, the changes will be forced on gun owners. How long is america supposed to sit by and watch people get slaughtered before public opinion overrides the gun owners opinions and the gun owners have no say in the matter and changes they don't like are forced upon them?
Nothing is going to be forced upon us.

If you want to talk gun control proposals, first repeal all of the unconstitutional gun laws, and force progressives to compensate gun owners for all the civil liberties that they've violated over the years.
 
The only sensible solution is a gun ban.
Sorry. The Constitution says no, and the NRA enforces the Constitution.

By the way, why do people who want to violate our civil liberties always claim something like "reasonable" or "sensible"?


But as a minimum right now:

Implement a national firearms license
Implement a national firearms database
That will never be allowed. Too much potential for abuse.


Tax gun and ammunition more
Unconstitutional.


Ban semi-auto and fully auto rifles/shotguns/machine guns - retrospectively
The semi-auto ban would be unconstitutional.


I'd love to ban all hand guns too.
Unconstitutional again.


You want your guns for purely psychological reasons.
All wants are purely psychological.
 
I disagree. I do not think that civil liberties should be abolished.



Nothing is going to be forced upon us.

If you want to talk gun control proposals, first repeal all of the unconstitutional gun laws, and force progressives to compensate gun owners for all the civil liberties that they've violated over the years.

There are no current gun laws that are unconstitutional. In fact all of them are presumed constitutional
 
Back
Top Bottom