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There was no "Trump derangement syndrome": We were right about him all along

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There was no "Trump derangement syndrome": We were right about him all along | Salon.com

Do you remember "Trump Derangement Syndrome?" It was a cute phrase that likely first appeared in 2015, deployed by prominent voices across the political spectrum to demean, mock, reject, dismiss and deflect the warnings that Donald Trump was a fascist, an authoritarian and a white supremacist, not to mention a vile and dangerous human being with apparent mental pathologies who posed a massive threat to American democracy. Such truth-telling patriots were called "hysterical" and "alarmist," or told they were "out of touch" and overly "bitter" about Hillary Clinton's defeat thanks to the antiquated mechanism of the Electoral College and Russian interference. Those who first raised the alarm about Trumpism as a new version of fascism were also assured that " the institutions were strong" and fascism could never take hold in America — and most certainly not in the form of a proudly ignorant wrestling-heel wannabe and reality-TV huckster.

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Last Thursday, Trump issued this now-infamous tweet:

"With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???"

That same afternoon, when questioned about Trump's threats to interfere with the 2020 election, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told the U.S. Senate: "In the end, the Department of Justice and others will make that legal determination." This is not true. The Department of Justice and the president possess no legitimate authority to delay or cancel a federal election.

Later in the day, Trump continued to work from the authoritarian's playbook, attempting to pivot away from his earlier statements. During a White House press event, Trump said:

"Do I want to see a date change? No. But I don't want to see a crooked election."

What will happen in November – it's a mess. I want a result much more than you... I don't want to be waiting around for weeks and months.

This is a familiar strategy in which the authoritarian challenges norms and boundaries by floating trial balloons and then pretends to change his mind as a way to make the heretofore-unthinkable into something acceptable.
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As historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat explained in a 2017 essay at The Washington Post:

The strongman knows that it starts with words. He uses them early on to test out his plans to expand and personalize executive power on political elites, the press and the public, watching their reactions as they arrange into the timeless categories of allies, enemies and those who help him by remaining silent. Some say the strongman is all bluster, but he takes words seriously, including the issue of which ones should be banned.
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We were right all along, and now we get to play the fun game where we learn how many of the Trump supporters were actually always fascists thugs all along.
 
We were right all along! It says so on Salon.com!!!

:lamo
 
Taylor said:
We were right all along! It says so on Salon.com!!!

:lamo
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I mean, I guess it's funny if you think trying to take away the right for people to vote is funny.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
There was no "Trump derangement syndrome": We were right about him all along | Salon.com
We were right all along, and now we get to play the fun game where we learn how many of the Trump supporters were actually always fascists thugs all along.
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It's unclear what you think the two quotes do to support the notion that TDS anything but an observed meme. Salon collectively has been part of the meme for five years, so it's odd that they feel the need to deny its existence at this late date. As Taylor says :lamo

The second is more interesting, because Trump has never tried to expand his personal power with the press or the elites. That relationship is adversarial, even including the much despised Fox. However, if you back up one administration, it fits like a glove. This was very much Obama's SOP. Yet, of the two, Trump has been by far the more effective in office.

W_Heisenberg said:
I mean, I guess it's funny if you think trying to take away the right for people to vote is funny.
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You claim TDS is a myth, while demonstrating it.
 
TDS is a bull**** copout used when a Trumpophile is getting their ass handed to them in a debate. It's a catch-all emergency exit for his typical low IQ sycophant who otherwise can't hold their own. The criticism Trump gets from those who oppose him is no different that the criticism those who opposed Obama dished. There has been Presidential Derangement Syndrome ever since there have been presidents. But at this point the term is simply used to denigrate a president's opponents when the debater has no other ammo to use.
 
TDS is very real, and getting worse. The leftists, after being fed propaganda by the media for literally years, have become more an more disillusioned and frustrated as more truths come to light. I see it not only on this forum, but other forums as well.
It manifests itself in outright hate for Trump supporters. The latest sign seems to be a desire to move out of the country if Trump is re-elected.
 
Grandpappy said:
TDS is very real, and getting worse. The leftists, after being fed propaganda by the media for literally years, have become more an more disillusioned and frustrated as more truths come to light. I see it not only on this forum, but other forums as well.
It manifests itself in outright hate for Trump supporters. The latest sign seems to be a desire to move out of the country if Trump is re-elected.
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At the point where Trump supporters are basically in favor of preventing people from exercising their right to vote, the hate is well deserved.
 
Jay59 said:
It's unclear what you think the two quotes do to support the notion that TDS anything but an observed meme. Salon collectively has been part of the meme for five years, so it's odd that they feel the need to deny its existence at this late date. As Taylor says :lamo

The second is more interesting, because Trump has never tried to expand his personal power with the press or the elites. That relationship is adversarial, even including the much despised Fox. However, if you back up one administration, it fits like a glove. This was very much Obama's SOP. Yet, of the two, Trump has been by far the more effective in office.


You claim TDS is a myth, while demonstrating it.
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I cannot believe I even have to ask this, but:

Do you support the right of American citizens to vote in elections, yes or no?
 
W_Heisenberg said:
I cannot believe I even have to ask this, but: Do you support the right of American citizens to vote in elections, yes or no?
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You do not need to ask. I support the rule of law and the Constitution. Most of the posters in this thread have not convinced me that they reciprocate.

W_Heisenberg said:
At the point where Trump supporters are basically in favor of preventing people from exercising their right to vote, the hate is well deserved.
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I have seen no evidence of this, either point.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
We were right all along, and now we get to play the fun game where we learn how many of the Trump supporters were actually always fascists thugs all along.
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It looks easier to count ones who aren't.
 
Grandpappy said:
TDS is very real, and getting worse. The leftists, after being fed propaganda by the media for literally years, have become more an more disillusioned and frustrated as more truths come to light. I see it not only on this forum, but other forums as well.
It manifests itself in outright hate for Trump supporters. The latest sign seems to be a desire to move out of the country if Trump is re-elected.
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What propaganda are they being fed about Trump...his own words?
 
Airyaman said:
What propaganda are they being fed about Trump...his own words?
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Trump's tweets are a bypass of the MSM truth twisting. He's not perfect, but he does let us know what he's actually thinking.
 
I knew what he was long ago, no surprises here, but I did have a moment of further clarity watching the republican "witch-hunt":mrgreen: today in the questioning of Sally Yates. Trump, Barr and probably at least a few others, know if Trump loses the election, they are most likely going to end up in prison for a long time. The clarity of this is I now see that they will not stop, and will not accept a loss. What exactly this means remains to be seen. I think there is nothing that they will not try, and the setup looks to be in play. I'm talking about sham trials, illegal jailing, military (style?) coup. Assassinations!? Do you think he's just going to say 'OK I lost, you got me'?
 
Craig234 said:
It looks easier to count ones who aren't.
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It is very simple--no fascist Trump supporters. Fascists calling themselves antifascist, that I have seen.
 
If the Libs have Trump Derangement Syndrome with a sitting President, what do you call whining about a President from 20 years, or 4 years ago, or a Candidate for President that lost 4 year later constantly, Just plain old Deranged.
 
Grandpappy said:
TDS is very real, and getting worse. The leftists, after being fed propaganda by the media for literally years, have become more an more disillusioned and frustrated as more truths come to light. I see it not only on this forum, but other forums as well.
It manifests itself in outright hate for Trump supporters. The latest sign seems to be a desire to move out of the country if Trump is re-elected.
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Yes Trumps twitter account is "propaganda" alright. And Facebook just removed a post of his because he claimed children are immune to Covid 19. Unfortunately Florida just reported 2 more children died from the virus bringing the total to 7 in the State so far.

Facebook removes Trump post falsely claiming children are 'almost immune' to Covid-19 - CNN

Florida coronavirus: Two teens die of complications - CNN

BTW I am recommending that Trump supporters move to Russia to join Trump there after he loses in 90 days. You will feel more at home there since Putin has been running this country since Trump was elected.
 
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Grandpappy said:
Trump's tweets are a bypass of the MSM truth twisting. He's not perfect, but he does let us know what he's actually thinking.
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So are you agreeing here?
 
Taylor said:
We were right all along! It says so on Salon.com!!!

:lamo
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i know right. a leftist rag saying people do not have tds even though they are a major source of tds.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
At the point where Trump supporters are basically in favor of preventing people from exercising their right to vote, the hate is well deserved.
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yet that isn't occurring.
we know leftists are full of hate we see it on a daily basis.

which is why their bull**** claims of tolerance and inclusion is just another lie.

which of course leftists are supposed to hate but yet that is a lie as well.
 
ludin said:
yet that isn't occurring.
we know leftists are full of hate we see it on a daily basis.

which is why their bull**** claims of tolerance and inclusion is just another lie.

which of course leftists are supposed to hate but yet that is a lie as well.
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You are one very confused poster....:shock:
 
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