The Worst News for Joe Biden Tuesday had Nothing to do with the Debate

[SCrider]

No one in their right mind would believe something so ridiculous.

OMG did you hear Hillary and AOC are getting married.....said every Trumptard on this forum....

 

[MauiMan]

:blink:

Joe Biden fundraising: His worst news had nothing to do with the debate - CNNPolitics

This is alarming news for Joe Biden.
Maybe he can borrow a few bucks from Hunter...

You shouldn’t worry about Biden...

 

[The Mark]

OMG did you hear Hillary and AOC are getting married.....said every Trumptard on this forum....

Maybe if Trump believed it and said so on Twitter, his followers would as well.

 

[JustHanging]

The contest in 2016 was Trump vs. a "centrist" demorat and Trump won. With that in mind, and a general feeling that Trump would lose to any demorat being put forth by the MSM, I think that a "leftist" demorat (probably Warren) will be who Trump faces in 2020. IMHO, that will fail to motivate the independents into taking the gamble for such a drastic change.

So you don't think Putin will interfere in the 2020 election?

 

[ttwtt78640]

So you don't think Putin will interfere in the 2020 election?

He will likely try, along with other foreigners, but mainly because they consider the POTUS to be a "world leader" and thus have a vested interest in who gets that job. Nobody seems at all upset that Obama is weighing in on Brexit and playing politics (picking favorites?) in the UK's (or other EU nations') elections. It is rather strange that the US has no (moral, ethical or legal) problems with advocating regime change, often by economic and/or military force, in other nations but considers foreigner's efforts to "influence our election" to be taboo.

 

[presluc]

The contest in 2016 was Trump vs. a "centrist" demorat and Trump won. With that in mind, and a general feeling that Trump would lose to any demorat being put forth by the MSM, I think that a "leftist" demorat (probably Warren) will be who Trump faces in 2020. IMHO, that will fail to motivate the independents into taking the gamble for such a drastic change.

A lot of Independents have already left the Trump voting base , I don't think they will come back so I think many Independent will use a phrase seldom heard today "
"TIME FOR A CHANGE".eace

 

[ttwtt78640]

A lot of Independents have already left the Trump voting base , I don't think they will come back so I think many Independent will use a phrase seldom heard today "
"TIME FOR A CHANGE".eace

We will see, soon enough, if the electorate favors a hard left turn or not. First in the (s)election of a DNC POTUS nominee and then in the general election.

 

[presluc]

We will see, soon enough, if the electorate favors a hard left turn or not. First in the (s)election of a DNC POTUS nominee and then in the general election.

Actually you can not say all the Democratic nominees are bad.
However, Trump has other things to deal with ,. This ain't the bold campaign of 2015, this is 2019 3 years after Trump some people are still waiting for those promises that was made in 2015 and 2016 , a lot of people have just cut their losses and called it what it was LIES.eace

 

[ttwtt78640]

Actually you can not say all the Democratic nominees are bad.
However, Trump has other things to deal with ,. This ain't the bold campaign of 2015, this is 2019 3 years after Trump some people are still waiting for those promises that was made in 2015 and 2016 , a lot of people have just cut their losses and called it what it was LIES.eace

I can certainly agree that Trump was unable to get congress to enact much of what he wanted done, but that is true of most presidents. Congress is paid quite well (via campaign cash) to keep things pretty much as they are.

 

[presluc]

I can certainly agree that Trump was unable to get congress to enact much of what he wanted done, but that is true of most presidents. Congress is paid quite well (via campaign cash) to keep things pretty much as they are.

Most of that was a Republican Congress with a Republican Administration and a Republican President.

I remind you sir Trump never vetoed any bill submitted by A Republican Congress..
However the bill to acquire Trump's tax return was voted down 3 times as a matter of fact.
Trump's Affordable healthcare plan was voted down and The new improved affordable health plan was voted down.
Check the dates see which party had the majority in Congress when these were in Congress.eace

 

[ttwtt78640]

Most of that was a Republican Congress with a Republican Administration and a Republican President.

I remind you sir Trump never vetoed any bill submitted by A Republican Congress..
However the bill to acquire Trump's tax return was voted down 3 times as a matter of fact.
Trump's Affordable healthcare plan was voted down and The new improved affordable health plan was voted down.
Check the dates see which party had the majority in Congress when these were in Congress.eace

You pay far too much attention party labels and far too little attention to who is funding the congress critters from both parties. So long as those funding the democracy show have the sheeple convinced that they have a chance to change things in the next couple of elections (or so) then they will continue to be largely ignored. Meanwhile, over 90% of congress critters running for re-election will win another term in office.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Biden is done, and Mayor Pete and Klobuchar are not viable candidates, no matter how hard moderate-centrists try to pump them up.

Which means it's basically between Bernie and Warren.

Warren would beat Trump, but not as badly as Bernie would. Polling shows that Bernie would have destroyed Trump in 2016, when Trump was at his strongest.

 

[presluc]

You pay far too much attention party labels and far too little attention to who is funding the congress critters from both parties. So long as those funding the democracy show have the sheeple convinced that they have a chance to change things in the next couple of elections (or so) then they will continue to be largely ignored. Meanwhile, over 90% of congress critters running for re-election will win another term in office.

You are mistaken sir, it is not I who pay too much attention to party labels, I am an Independent I care not which political party has the right name, I care what is right for America.
Now some may say I only care about my lifestyle in of America America this is not true..
As far as who is funding the Congressmen of America, or the President you need but look at who the government pays the most who benefits the most, hint it's not the labor , the poor or the working poor, elderly, Vets, if these get organized and vote where do you think they will look ?eace

 

[presluc]

Biden is done, and Mayor Pete and Klobuchar are not viable candidates, no matter how hard moderate-centrists try to pump them up.

Which means it's basically between Bernie and Warren.

Warren would beat Trump, but not as badly as Bernie would. Polling shows that Bernie would have destroyed Trump in 2016, when Trump was at his strongest.

I can only agree but although I am and I take it you are , and many more are but is American society ready for a progressive candidate?
It seems you can't use the word progressive without having the word socialist attached to it like that's a bad thing?
If we are to use Doctrines to describe our elected officials lets have an equal playing field.
For if indeed Trump and his followers wish to call Sanders a socialist communist, let's call Trump what he really is a right wing Fascist .eace

 

[Dans La Lune]

I can only agree but although I am and I take it you are , and many more are but is American society ready for a progressive candidate?
It seems you can't use the word progressive without having the word socialist attached to it like that's a bad thing?
If we are to use Doctrines to describe our elected officials lets have an equal playing field.
For if indeed Trump and his followers wish to call Sanders a socialist communist, let's call Trump what he really is a right wing Fascist .eace

Dems ran from the word 'socialist', then ran from 'liberal', then ran from 'progressive'. It doesn't matter what Dems call themselves, Republicans will demonize it. They called Obama a socialist when he adopted Republican ideas.

The reason Republicans can move further and further to the right is because they don't run. Instead, they chase Democrats to the right.

Bernie Sanders and AOC and others don't run from labels, which gives them the qualities of leadership. Bernie has almost singlehandedly moved the entire Democratic party towards his position.

I have no doubts that he'd easily make the case if he was the nominee.

 

[ttwtt78640]

You are mistaken sir, it is not I who pay too much attention to party labels, I am an Independent I care not which political party has the right name, I care what is right for America.
Now some may say I only care about my lifestyle in of America America this is not true..
As far as who is funding the Congressmen of America, or the President you need but look at who the government pays the most who benefits the most, hint it's not the labor , the poor or the working poor, elderly, Vets, if these get organized and vote where do you think they will look ?eace

Perhaps your post referencing republicants four times gave me that impression.

BTW, I never suspected that it was the poor who were supplying that campaign cash directly, yet I suspect that many making big bucks "helping" the poor spend that "free" money are glad to ask congress critters for some increases in "safety net" assistance levels.

 

[nitroexpress]

Biden is done, and Mayor Pete and Klobuchar are not viable candidates, no matter how hard moderate-centrists try to pump them up.

Which means it's basically between Bernie and Warren.

Warren would beat Trump, but not as badly as Bernie would. Polling shows that Bernie would have destroyed Trump in 2016, when Trump was at his strongest.

And yet Moody says Trump will win in a landslide.

New forecast: Trump will win election in landslide - CNN Video

 

[The Mark]

:blink:

Joe Biden fundraising: His worst news had nothing to do with the debate - CNNPolitics

This is alarming news for Joe Biden.
Maybe he can borrow a few bucks from Hunter...

On that Hunter thing - I saw/read/heard somewhere that the oft-mentioned $50k/month number was only in one month, I'm guessing he wasn't paid a flat salary.
Assuming that information is correct.

Still, everyone knows that he wouldn't get paid anywhere near that much for anything but his name and connections.

 

[JasperL]

He will likely try, along with other foreigners, but mainly because they consider the POTUS to be a "world leader" and thus have a vested interest in who gets that job. Nobody seems at all upset that Obama is weighing in on Brexit and playing politics (picking favorites?) in the UK's (or other EU nations') elections.

Obama speaking publicly on something, or Putin speaking publicly, is NOT what Russia did in 2016 and continue doing today. They are nothing alike.

Here's GOP Sen. Burr: https://www.washingtonpost.com/tech...effort-prevent-russian-interference-election/

“Russia is waging an information warfare campaign against the U.S. that didn’t start and didn’t end with the 2016 election,” said Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.), the committee’s chairman. “Their goal is broader: to sow societal discord and erode public confidence in the machinery of government. By flooding social media with false reports, conspiracy theories, and trolls, and by exploiting existing divisions, Russia is trying to breed distrust of our democratic institutions and our fellow Americans.”

This kind of false equivalence feeds right into Putin's hand, actually.

It is rather strange that the US has no (moral, ethical or legal) problems with advocating regime change, often by economic and/or military force, in other nations but considers foreigner's efforts to "influence our election" to be taboo.

It's unclear what you are suggesting here. Should we welcome, not try to prevent, information warfare directed by foreign interests at our elections, our system of government? Since we have spies, we shouldn't worry about others spying on us? Should we dismantle counterintelligence efforts since we are engaging in it?

 

[JasperL]

And yet Moody says Trump will win in a landslide.

New forecast: Trump will win election in landslide - CNN Video

Moodys also used a version of this very excellent model in 2016 and predicted Hillary would win handily, a month before the election. We know how that worked out. So I'm not sure why anyone cares what Moodys predicts.

 

[presluc]

Dems ran from the word 'socialist', then ran from 'liberal', then ran from 'progressive'. It doesn't matter what Dems call themselves, Republicans will demonize it. They called Obama a socialist when he adopted Republican ideas.

The reason Republicans can move further and further to the right is because they don't run. Instead, they chase Democrats to the right.

Bernie Sanders and AOC and others don't run from labels, which gives them the qualities of leadership. Bernie has almost singlehandedly moved the entire Democratic party towards his position.

I have no doubts that he'd easily make the case if he was the nominee.

I agree but if you notice the questions and the more moderate Dem. nominees you will notice which side most of the Democratic party are wishing for..
I hope I am wrong but I think the next Democratic nominee to run for president will be another Democratic moderate.

I wish for a strong progressive like Sanders or even Warren but truth is I don't think the Democratic party will back a progressive they may want some of their plans., but it will be the same song Obama sung "Change yes we can " the rest of the saying should have been it's just going to take time, especially after extending the tax cuts for the rich and Obamacare or is it another insurance ad.
If I am wrong you can message me on my profile and tell me, I hope you do I hope I am wrong.eace

 

[presluc]

Perhaps your post referencing republicants four times gave me that impression.

BTW, I never suspected that it was the poor who were supplying that campaign cash directly, yet I suspect that many making big bucks "helping" the poor spend that "free" money are glad to ask congress critters for some increases in "safety net" assistance levels.

Well, If I said anything that was false about the Republicans or Democrats point it out.
Frankly I don't see it.

.Ah you right wingers and splinters of the right wing , you only see the big bucks coming from or going to the poor the Congress even Campaign nominations .
You take 2 million people in one state that donates $5 or $10, now check out the states where people are happy to see them.
Then there's the rich people that actually want and support change in America from what we have...eace