The US Military on the cheap. How would you do it?

[Oozlefinch]

My issue is 11A. There's no such thing, right? 11B, C and H. I hear these days they're combined, so maybe 11A exists today?

I feel like it's Twilight Zone because no one seems to have noticed an invented mos.

Side note. 11A was not airborne. I was 11H(a). There was no such thing as 11A.

11A is the Army MOS code for Infantry Officer. In the Marines it was 0302.

In fact, in pretty much every Army MOS, the A is the code for Officer, the rest of the letters were for everybody else.

The Air Officer when I was in PATRIOT was a 14A, my S-6 is a 25A.

 

[ecofarm]

11A is the Army MOS code for Infantry Officer. In the Marines it was 0302.

In fact, in pretty much every Army MOS, the A is the code for Officer, the rest of the letters were for everybody else.

The Air Officer when I was in PATRIOT was a 14A, my S-6 is a 25A.

I worked for a living.

For those that don't know the saying, when an enlisted man is saluted by mistake the response is "don't salute me, I work for a living."

 

[Tangmo]

Leaping tall buildings with a single bound over there.

Kicking the locomotive off the tracks is what lifer nco do.

The only questions about AVF personnel since 1974 is whether the lifer nco rightwinger for life has a GED or actually graduated -- high school. Maybe the highest paid in those categories in the country (away from the country mostly). AVF lifer personnel give new meaning to the nick "Bonus Army." Big 'uns and lots of 'em.

I always ask AVF personnel to let us know when they win one out there because their only wins over decades have been in electing Republican party presidents. Y'know, the guys who like war so much (Reagan, Bush, Bush). The Grand Old Party of War. AKA: The War Party. MIC loves you guys too. What Trumpolini sees mostly are jobs. One of these dayze the incompetent fool will get the trains to run on time. First however he'd have to get the retired lifer nco rightwingers for life to stop kicking 'em off the tracks.

 

[Glitch]

Ok, a thought exercise for today and however long people are interested.

Pretend that we have to cut our military budget drastically for the foreseeable future. By one quarter, by one half, and by three quarters. In each of these three scenarios, how would you do it? Would there be priority differences between the three different size cuts in budget, or would you maintain similar priorities regardless the size of cut?

As the Iron Chef says "Begin!!!"

If I had all the power of Congress and the President and had to figure out how to fund the military after losing one quarter, one half, and three quarters of its budget I would do it this way:

In order to make up for the loss of one quarter of the military budget I would abolish the unconstitutional MediCare/MedicAid programs. Since they consume 23% of the entire federal budget (more than current military spending), I would have more than enough to double military spending.

In order to make up for the loss of one half of the military budget I would abolish the unconstitutional MediCare/MedicAid and Social Security programs. Since combined they consume 57% of the entire federal budget, I would have more than enough to triple military spending and still have several billion left over.

In order to make up for the loss of three fourths of the military budget I wouldn't need to abolish anything more than the unconstitutional MediCare/MedicAid and Social Security programs. They already consume more than half of the entire federal budget, where defense spending accounts for less than one fifth.

 

[Tangmo]

I bolded the usual Tangmobabble...

A combination of insults and ignorance that a real officer would never utter.

The kind of stuff that makes real veterans consider the claims of "four years in Infantry via an Rotc commission" a lie.



Irony.

One thing you will learn about Lt. Fuzz here, is that he is not what he claims he is. He has been caught in so many lies about his service that I am amazed that he keeps trying to convince people he served.

You will notice however that for somebody who claims to be an "Officer", he is absolutely dismissive 100% of anybody who serves as an NCO, and routinely insults them at every chance.



Of course, we were dismissed with his usual round of insults since we were both NCOs and therefore complete idiots. In all my years of service, I have never heard any officer speak so dismissively of NCOs as this joker does. Just the fact he was sure you were a grunt when it was obvious you were not only adds more to his list of face-palms.

You guys never sat around in the O Club.

Nor did you have a few beverages with fellow officers or spend some off duty time visiting in the homes of fellow officers and so on. I assure the reader officers during their own time speak disparagingly of the brainpower of nco. Officers note too the personalities of nco leave much to be desired. During conscription which is when I served honorably in active duty the troops standard line on their nco were that "he couldn't make it on the outside," meaning in the civilian society. Lifer nco were either dropouts or were told by a judge to sign up or get shipped to the bighouse. Some lifer nco actually graduated high school yet many still enter with the GED. Officers in the armed forces rarely if ever speak openly of their contempt of the intellectual deficits and cultural deficiencies of career nco.

Oh, and I do not have a GED, I graduated. And I have not gone to college either, I was attending a tech school with my GI Bill until the school closed a few years ago.

The 85-15 law likely closed your school. The law requires that tech and voke schools and the like that exist to attract veterans spider to the fly have at least 15% of their students be non veterans.

This is a protection Congress enacted to protect the taxpayer from unscrupulous Trump University type schools that appeal to veterans only for their GI Bill benefits. These sucker traps used to be 100% veterans only who paid the schools their GI Bill benefits provided by the taxpayer. So Congress gave VA the legal authority to close schools of this kind if they can't get at least 15% of their suckers, er, students, to be non veterans.

The 85-15 law: eighty-five percent of your students can be veterans yet the school violates the law if at least 15% are not veterans. This is to protect the taxpayer and veteran who uses GI Bill benefits to pay tuition, fees, books and the like. So it's highly likely the school you attended on the GI Bill was a ripoff that got closed by VA under the 85-15 law. When the law was enacted lots of bogus schools throughout the country got closed down right off. EP veterans are a forest of sap yielding trees to begin with so they need protecting from the unscrupulous. If you might want to know more about it ask because I used to work this stuff in Washington. We busted the bogus and we serviced the veteran genuinely and the taxpayer faithfully. How much taxpayer money did you plow into this closed down school anyway?

 

[Jredbaron96]

When did say otherwise? Clearly not a rebuttal. Just a useless attempt to deflect from what I actually stated. Try again.

You're not even making sense at this point.

 

[Rexedgar]

If I had all the power of Congress and the President and had to figure out how to fund the military after losing one quarter, one half, and three quarters of its budget I would do it this way:

In order to make up for the loss of one quarter of the military budget I would abolish the unconstitutional MediCare/MedicAid programs. Since they consume 23% of the entire federal budget (more than current military spending), I would have more than enough to double military spending.

In order to make up for the loss of one half of the military budget I would abolish the unconstitutional MediCare/MedicAid and Social Security programs. Since combined they consume 57% of the entire federal budget, I would have more than enough to triple military spending and still have several billion left over.

In order to make up for the loss of three fourths of the military budget I wouldn't need to abolish anything more than the unconstitutional MediCare/MedicAid and Social Security programs. They already consume more than half of the entire federal budget, where defense spending accounts for less than one fifth.

If you were successful, that extra military would come in handy!

 

[Glitch]

If you were successful, that extra military would come in handy!

Not really. The military swears its allegiance to the US Constitution, which I would have seriously violated by becoming an all-powerful dictator. Thus earning the animosity of military that I financially saved. As they say, "no good deed goes unpunished."

 

[Tangmo]

I'm for the punishment now.

Put it to him.

By the time Trumpolini does get tossed he'd have done much irreparable damage. Not in everything but in too much already. After all the only way to do it yourself in the American system is to destroy the Constitution. This is precisely what Putin-Trump and their Rowers are doing, have been doing, intend to continue to do and to accelerate doing.

 

[Fledermaus]

You guys never sat around in the O Club.

Nor did you have a few beverages with fellow officers or spend some off duty time visiting in the homes of fellow officers and so on. I assure the reader officers during their own time speak disparagingly of the brainpower of nco. Officers note too the personalities of nco leave much to be desired. During conscription which is when I served honorably in active duty the troops standard line on their nco were that "he couldn't make it on the outside," meaning in the civilian society. Lifer nco were either dropouts or were told by a judge to sign up or get shipped to the bighouse. Some lifer nco actually graduated high school yet many still enter with the GED. Officers in the armed forces rarely if ever speak openly of their contempt of the intellectual deficits and cultural deficiencies of career nco.

The 85-15 law likely closed your school. The law requires that tech and voke schools and the like that exist to attract veterans spider to the fly have at least 15% of their students be non veterans.

This is a protection Congress enacted to protect the taxpayer from unscrupulous Trump University type schools that appeal to veterans only for their GI Bill benefits. These sucker traps used to be 100% veterans only who paid the schools their GI Bill benefits provided by the taxpayer. So Congress gave VA the legal authority to close schools of this kind if they can't get at least 15% of their suckers, er, students, to be non veterans.

The 85-15 law: eighty-five percent of your students can be veterans yet the school violates the law if at least 15% are not veterans. This is to protect the taxpayer and veteran who uses GI Bill benefits to pay tuition, fees, books and the like. So it's highly likely the school you attended on the GI Bill was a ripoff that got closed by VA under the 85-15 law. When the law was enacted lots of bogus schools throughout the country got closed down right off. EP veterans are a forest of sap yielding trees to begin with so they need protecting from the unscrupulous. If you might want to know more about it ask because I used to work this stuff in Washington. We busted the bogus and we serviced the veteran genuinely and the taxpayer faithfully. How much taxpayer money did you plow into this closed down school anyway?

More nonsense and prattle.

You are dismissed Cadet Tangmo B. Busted.

 

[Fledermaus]

My issue is 11A. There's no such thing, right? 11B, C and H. I hear these days they're combined, so maybe 11A exists today?

I feel like it's Twilight Zone because no one seems to have noticed an invented mos.

Side note. 11A was not airborne. I was 11H(a). There was no such thing as 11A.

Those are Army. I am not familiar with the Army system. Hell. I can't even figure out why they need all those unit/command patches.

 

[Rexedgar]

Not really. The military swears its allegiance to the US Constitution, which I would have seriously violated by becoming an all-powerful dictator. Thus earning the animosity of military that I financially saved. As they say, "no good deed goes unpunished."

I wasn’t clear; that extra military would be needed to quell riots!

 

[PirateMk1]

If I had all the power of Congress and the President and had to figure out how to fund the military after losing one quarter, one half, and three quarters of its budget I would do it this way:

In order to make up for the loss of one quarter of the military budget I would abolish the unconstitutional MediCare/MedicAid programs. Since they consume 23% of the entire federal budget (more than current military spending), I would have more than enough to double military spending.

In order to make up for the loss of one half of the military budget I would abolish the unconstitutional MediCare/MedicAid and Social Security programs. Since combined they consume 57% of the entire federal budget, I would have more than enough to triple military spending and still have several billion left over.

In order to make up for the loss of three fourths of the military budget I wouldn't need to abolish anything more than the unconstitutional MediCare/MedicAid and Social Security programs. They already consume more than half of the entire federal budget, where defense spending accounts for less than one fifth.

I suspect that is easier said than done. In fact I suspect there is more likely hood of the military budget being slashed by 3/4's. You have interesting thoughts on the subject and would prefer to take your route however politics being what it is currently I am quite confident that the Medicare, Social Security et al cuts are NOT coming in the relatively near future.

 

[cpwill]

Read again. That "putting out of action" was not the result of the DF-21D. it was the result of an undeveloped cluster type munition that used multiple long rod penetrators. Think of it as the DF being a single .32 caliber pistol shot, and the fictional weapon that was similar was a double barrel shotgun firing both barrels with 00 buckshot.

In other words, a single Harpoon missile, the carrier shrugs it off. A dozen Harpoon missiles all hitting at once, bad day for the carrier.

1. Ooze, I'm going to highlight a couple of words here for you:

In the event of a hit, analysts have often looked at the potential for a hypersonic missile to cause damage with kinetic energy alone. Andrew Davies of the Australian Strategic Policy Institute is skeptical, calculating that the energy of an inert object of a 500 kg RV at an impact velocity of Mach 6 would be comparable to the kinetic and explosive energy of a subsonic Boeing AGM-84 Harpoon, and only a quarter of Russia's supersonic Tactical Missiles Corp./Raduga P-270 Moskit. Raduga's Cold War “carrier-killer,” the Kh-22, is a 12,800-lb. weapon that hits at a speed above Mach 4 with a 2,200-lb.-class, shaped-charge warhead. However, classified studies carried out by McDonnell Douglas in the 1980s also showed that much smaller warheads—for instance, dispenser weapons with long-rod penetrators—would cause enough damage to a warship to put it out of commission, pending major repairs.

Now, the warhead on a Dong Feng by itself is already larger than that 500kg, and the launch weight is about another 25 times that, though agreeably a lot of that is fuel. And - and, this is sort of important - it's a warhead. The Harpoon's warhead is less than half, and closer to a third of the DF-21's. So, as it is both bigger, and explosive, the DF-21 is more like being shot with a 45 caliber grenade than a single 32 caliber round.


2. Deployment numbers vary, but take the low estimates (say, 50), assume half of them don't work (which I would be highly skeptical of without supporting evidence), and assume the CCP wants to keep half in reserve. So now you are shooting 12. At two, maybe three carriers.

So, - and let's spread it out and assume three - let's say that we manage to intercept 50% of these bad boys.

That means we just lost three carriers (note: this doesn't mean they are blown sky high, like the movies. It means they are out of comission) to two DF-21D's apiece. So, it cost them 12 missiles in flight, and 12 missiles back for repairs, in return for which they have wrecked the U.S. Navy in a way we haven't suffered since Pearl Harbor, greatly restricting the U.S. ability to project power into strategic areas for years.

Odd's that a U.S. president sends another carrier group in under any circumstances save an actual existential threat to CONUS? so long as that other half of the 2nd Arty Core's stores remain a threat? Approximately nil.



3. SO, that's the DF-21. Then you have the DF 26. Now Guam faces the threat Okinawa has long been under. Huzzah.



Now that's not to paint the Chinese as some kind of 100-foot-tall monster; they're not. I would argue (and have argued) that the claim that "the 21st Century is China's Century", or that they will supplant the U.S., or even that they will continue to be able to grow at their recent rates, are bunk. Much about China is more bark than bite, and the Navy (and Airforce, and others) are investing quite a lot in trying to defeat China's A2AD capability. But they are taking it deadly seriously, and with good reason. Assessments of relative strength that don't take China's A2AD capability into account are like assessments of relative power-projection capability that don't take Carrier Groups into account : flawed.

 

[cpwill]

Offended not.

I spent four years in Infantry via an Rotc commission. 11A. You were 11B or 11A I gather from your posts.

I'm lending some support to your posts yet you seem to be missing the fact. Or perhaps reject it. There seems anyway to be a possible misunderstanding about my post, motivation, purpose.

So to be more clear, I see the antagonist poster I'm addressing as a lifer NCO who got his start via GED. Most or many Lifer NCO do it this way, ie, the self made low education type. Perhaps Ozzlefinch got his start in a different way which is his business anyhow. Then after 20 years or more the GED NCO career lifer retires to a college on the government dime. As with most Self Made GED Lifer NCO they are certain they are omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient. On retirement they often expand to include impudent (or contract). They're also Right Wingers always and forever.

I noted in my post that your post was valid and presented a well reasoned analysis. I went on to state I thought the guy was dismissive of you and disrespectful of your post and that he is wrong to do this -- so very wrong. I put your post in with his reply to illustrate the points I made and to make clear he was not posting to me. I'm sure he said one time recently he doesn't read my posts which is his unfortunate choice of course.

Ooze has actually been pretty well-informed, pretty well-reasoned, and pretty reasonable for years, here. For all that I'm surprised that he acted as dismissively as he did (and, you are correct it won him no points) - you are making a snap judgement here which is an inaccurate depiction of him.


As for your decision to try to match him, but expand it to being ugly and dismissive of NCO's, well, heartily, F*** You I was an NCO with a Masters Degree, and I wasn't even the smartest enlisted guy in my section. I was an 0351 with a Bachelors, and I wasn't even the smartest guy in my fire team. Do people get more ornery when they're old and tired? Often. Is that unique to people who were enlisted? Nope. Are some lifer NCO's there because they don't know what they'd do on the outside, and they're just riding out their 20? Yup. Is that the same pretty much everywhere, including the Officer Corps? Yup. Are some Lifer NCO's freaking brilliant professionals? Yup.

I've known... one officer who approached NCO's with that level of disdain. He was, shall we say, not all that successful as a leader. Got fired multiple times, got his ass kicked (beaten with a kevlar) once in front of his platoon by a platoon sergeant (who, it is worth noting, was subsequently backed by the Company and then the Battalion chain of command; God bless them), lost his rifle, had multiple negligent discharges.... Probably the only officer I've ever seen who was less of a leader was a guy who literally let a squad leader fire him. Yeah. Usually the most arrogant and disdainful ones were the least competent.

 

[cpwill]

And one is useless without the other. Our war machine only works when all its parts are working together, and working properly.

Au Contraire! Ze Glorious Infantry, Ve Do Everyone Else's Jobs, Too!

 

[Jredbaron96]

Au Contraire! Ze Glorious Infantry, Ve Do Everyone Else's Jobs, Too!

Give some monkeys a typewriter and enough time...

 

[Oozlefinch]

More nonsense and prattle.

You are dismissed Cadet Tangmo B. Busted.

Actually, I have sat around the O-club. Many times.

I spent 6 months as the Camp Commander's Driver when I was on Okinawa, and more often than I cared for I had to eat there since he had to get picked up so early or dropped off so late that was the only place I could eat. I was a regular visitor there, and was never given a bit of grief.

I also took my term as the Ward Room Orderly. That was, I worked in the Officer's Mess aboard ship, and heard them quite often.

And finally, there were the great many hours I spent at the Camp Hanson O Club. A buddy I went to high school with got his Bars, and I was frequently his guest when we were both there in 1990. Spent many an evening laughing and chatting over beers, and nobody gave a damn that I was an NCO.

His behavior is almost like a parody of the impression of the British Officers in a Monty Python skit. So obsessed with his being of a higher class that he would be offended if in a transfusion his body was polluted with "enlisted blood".

Oh, and once again he shows his ass. The school was not closed for "85-15", it was actually founded over 60 years ago. But closed primarily for economic reasons. Most tech schools have closed over the decades, and there are actually fairly few left.

 

[Tangmo]

Au Contraire! Ze Glorious Infantry, Ve Do Everyone Else's Jobs, Too!

Let's see what your alleged thought looks like. Just don't forget I was Infantry so I do this with a certain perspective. That is, it's all of these and much more.

 

[Oozlefinch]

2. Deployment numbers vary, but take the low estimates (say, 50), assume half of them don't work (which I would be highly skeptical of without supporting evidence), and assume the CCP wants to keep half in reserve. So now you are shooting 12. At two, maybe three carriers.

Actually, it is believed that China has a total of 40 DF-21 TELs. That is the actual launcher itself. And because this is also their primary medium range nuclear missile and ballistic platform, it would be hard to imagine them having any more than say 15 at a time configured to launching the DF-21D.

OK, so suppose they actually launch 15 of these at once at our carriers. Want to know what the response likely would be at best, and the nightmare at worst?

"Holy crap, 15 inbound nuclear missiles! Launch all aircraft and attack the launch sites! Maybe we can take them down with us!"

Or then nightmare case:

"Holy crap, 15 inbound nuclear missiles! Launch out standby Strategic bird and have them drop a B61 nuclear bomb on their heads!"

This is one of the biggest reasons why these things scare the crap out of me. Both the US and Soviets-Russia were smart enough decades ago to separate their conventional weapons from their nuclear ones so things like that would not happen in case the 2 countries ever got into a conflict. And then China goes and does it themselves.

I do not believe it will work, they themselves have yet to even try it other than launching it at a static target on land.

Now one thing about watching China, they talk the crap out of things. But when they do a single test that is not even close to real world then say it is "active", that should mean that it is a piece of junk and all for show. The only way this thing would work is if they were using nukes on it.

 

[Fledermaus]

Let's see what your alleged thought looks like. Just don't forget I was Infantry so I do this with a certain perspective.

Cool story bro....

And your 1975 DD-214 issued in 1970 confirms it....

:lamo

 

[Oozlefinch]

Ooze has actually been pretty well-informed, pretty well-reasoned, and pretty reasonable for years, here. For all that I'm surprised that he acted as dismissively as he did (and, you are correct it won him no points) - you are making a snap judgement here which is an inaccurate depiction of him.

I actually was not dismissive of him, but his characterization that all a grunt has to do is charge a machine gun nest or follow orders.

There is a hell of a lot more to being an 11B-03XX than that, as you should know. Maybe it is because I am looking at things from the inside, but he saw things like Normandy as simple "frontal assaults against machine guns", while I saw a complex plan, with multiple flanking and pivoting maneuvers to try and separate and eliminate multiple fortified structures.

That was what I dismissed, because such characterizations are dead wrong and horribly inaccurate. And I often chuckle when I would be doing some field maneuvers with more "Brainy" types like PATRIOT or the HQ of a Medical Brigade, and would have to spend 10 minutes breaking things down "Barney Style" how to do a simple double envelopment with the center element holding fast, then element 1 and 3 breaking right to where element 3 sets in an L shaped base of fire and shifts when element 1 enters for the assault.

I can tell that to a group of Grunts, and they get it immediately. Or even worse, trying to explain to a bunch of "Soldiers" who have spent 3 years being instructed on how to react to a far ambush (single envelopment), and then ask them how they would respond to a close ambush. It is amazing how many still respond with "Single Envelopment", even after you state that the ambushing element is only 10 meters away.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

One thing you will learn about Lt. Fuzz here, is that he is not what he claims he is. He has been caught in so many lies about his service that I am amazed that he keeps trying to convince people he served.

Hench, I chuckled when he said you had to be an 11B. I knew several posts back you were not, the things you said and how you said them just did not add up if you actually had been a grunt. And not disparagement there, grunts simply think different than non-grunts. I was not dismissing you, but your mischaracterization of the Infantry and how we operate.

You will notice however that for somebody who claims to be an "Officer", he is absolutely dismissive 100% of anybody who serves as an NCO, and routinely insults them at every chance.

I can not even begin to tear down his last post about me, it is so far off base it is not even funny. Yes, I have now spent over 20 years in the military true. The first 10 from 1983-1993 in the Marines. Medboarded because you can't be a grunt with bad knees.

Then I went back in in 2007, after 14 years as a civilian. Walked away from my stable and well paying computer job to join the Army and work on the PATRIOT missile. Did that for another 5 years, then moved to the Reserves where I am now (as a 25B). So yea, I guess I am the "Lifer NCO" he dismisses all the time. Although it has taken me over 36 years to get where I am now.

Oh, and I do not have a GED, I graduated. And I have not gone to college either, I was attending a tech school with my GI Bill until the school closed a few years ago.

However, when comparing who is most credible, realize that a week or so back Tangmo stated quite clearly that he had an "Under Honorable Conditions" discharge. Now I can't think of a single individual who would brag about that kind of discharge, but he acted as if he was a perfect Soldier. And took great offense when myself and another pointed out to him that that discharge meant that he had screwed up.

Of course, we were dismissed with his usual round of insults since we were both NCOs and therefore complete idiots. In all my years of service, I have never heard any officer speak so dismissively of NCOs as this joker does. Just the fact he was sure you were a grunt when it was obvious you were not only adds more to his list of face-palms.

I have to agree with you. I served at Ft. Huachuca. The only time I wore fatigues was when I was patrolling the canyons or the ranges. I did mostly white hat full dress duty.

I agree that the MP are more of a supporting role. We guard prisoners, set up control points along roads, and support the actual fighting soldiers. I should clear things up. When I was using the term combat soldier I was referring to everyone on the battle field. That includes medics, truck drivers, MP's and every one that at any minute could come under fire from the enemy. But there are a lot of clerks that will never carry a gun or see the battle fields. A lot of them are getting paid more than the man in battle. Plus there are hundreds of men serving in the pentagon working on their second and third 20 years at pay scales that are too much higher that the man getting shot at. I think after the first 20 retirement if you are no longer combat or battle field I think we need to reign in the pay and retirement.

 

[Tangmo]

Actually, I have sat around the O-club. Many times.

His behavior is almost like a parody of the impression of the British Officers in a Monty Python skit. So obsessed with his being of a higher class that he would be offended if in a transfusion his body was polluted with "enlisted blood".

Oh, and once again he shows his ass. The school was not closed for "85-15", it was actually founded over 60 years ago. But closed primarily for economic reasons. Most tech schools have closed over the decades, and there are actually fairly few left.

I condensed your post for you.

First you missed the point again. Officers will never speak their mind about nco lifer intellect in the presence of nco or any EP. You never heard or saw it because officers don't do in in your earshot or view. The rare few who might do it on active duty are left by their colleagues to suffer the consequences. Officers don't speak up in retirement either because it is a part of the code of the officer and the gentleman to have and exercise discretion. We can't have officers putting down nco deficiencies of intellect and culture in public. It's directly destructive of good order, morale, discipline, and the effectiveness of the armed forces. In public officers only speak well of nco and advise their troops accordingly. It is central to the officer unwritten code in these respects.

Secondly, the poster who is a veteran was with Military Police which definitely accounts for much if not most of his military knowledge and expertise. Which you miss and dismiss as you always dismiss.

Thirdly, the schools, colleges and universities I went to were open for hundreds of years before I got there an they are still open. Nothing about 'em has changed in this respect nor will it change. Your school failed in the marketplace period. Too many of those schools live or die by the GI Bill and they're also policed by the VA in accordance with the law. VA and DoJ. You still haven't answered my question of how many of the taxpayer bucks you sank into your sunk school while getting nothing from it. Most tech schools that are privately owned and operated and suck off the teat of the GI Bill deserve to go under in the marketplace or to be put under by the law.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Cool story bro....

And your 1975 DD-214 issued in 1970 confirms it....

:lamo

Infantry. Who according to himself spent his entire career in a ceremonial unit in Washington DC.

Who thinks that "Under Honorable Conditions" is a good discharge.