The Undisputed Demise Of The Democrat Party

[Torus34]

@Condor060:

I claim that we are not witnessing the undisputed demise of the Democratic Party.

My post makes the topic headline false.

Ain't logic interesting?

 

[noonereal]

We are all watching history in the making. While most Democrat posters will simply dismiss the actual events, you can't overlook the actual UNDISPUTED events taking place.

1. It is undisputed that Democrats started their Impeachment quest the day Trump took office

2. It is undisputed that Democrats falsely accused Trump of being a planted Russian asset and took this country through hell for 2 1/2 years over fake claims.

3. In their newest quest for Impeachment, Pelosi started the process before she even read Trumps call script and before she even read the WB complaint.

4. It is undisputed that EVERY Impeachment witness was asked if they had any evidence, directions from Trump, directions from Rudy G, or any knowledge of Trump committing bribery or a quid pro quo and EVERY witness answer was NO.

5. It is undisputed that Zelenski stated no pressure was ever put upon him to receive the money

6. It is undisputed that Zelenski received the money and still has not started any investigation into Biden

7. The DNC has raised 88 million but only has 8 million cash on hand with more than that in unpaid bills

8. Trump has raised over 350 million which is the highest in history for a presidential candidate. Obama held that record with 145 million

9. 61% of those funds raised are from voters averaging $49. This is also the highest in history with Obama coming in second with 43% voter support

10. Trump has raised over 3 times the amount of ALL DEMOCRAT CANDIDATES COMBINED

11. At the start of the fake Impeachment hearings Trump raised another 15 million

12. If Democrats are dumb enough to actually impeach (which they are) this will move to a Republican controlled Senate trial where Schiff and the whistle blower will be called to testify among the other individuals Schiff would not allow to testify in the Impeachment proceedings.

Yes, they are that dumb.

13. Coupled with the Inspector Generals investigation report that is coming out December 9 to include actual indictments for those who were involved in the fake FISA warrants used by Democrats to spy on the Trump campaign, and the early release of faking documents to get these warrants.

I expect Democrat posters will fill this thread with Meme's and more fake theories but they will not address the undisputed events that are taking place.

You just can't make this stuff up. Democrats actually think you can convict someone on presumptions and hearsay because they think have this magical higher morality that they will force upon the rest of the country. They want free healthcare for Illegals, 52 trillion dollar health care plans, and decriminalization of Illegals.

This is the bubble in which they live.

i am a republican and i find this post inane

 

[Condor060]

The onus of someone making a claim is to prove a claim is not for your opponent to prove a negative. If you don't understand that then you are clueless about how debates actually work

The only thing I will bet on is that you don't understand the above

If I told you I am the best guitar player in California it would not be for you to prove I'm not , it would be for me to prove that I am

Capiche?

Yeah, thats what I thought. More drivel with no ability.

I stated Trump has raised over 350 million which is more than 3 times the amount of all Democrat candidates combined.

Are statements like that so far out of your ability to answer?

I stated every single witness who testified stated they had no knowledge of any impeachable crime by Trump.

Is that one out of your ability as well?

All you have is fake claims just like the party you represent. You can't even discuss the actual events unfolding because it just hurts too much for you to address.

We all get it.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Yet you have nothing you can dispute in the OP. Thats what I thought.

Right off the bat, you were wrong.
“ 1. It is undisputed that Democrats started their Impeachment quest the day Trump took office”
Where is your proof? Not conspiracy theories, wild ass guesses, or hunches. Hard, verifiable, direct and irrefutable proof?

 

[ocean515]

I wonder if you know what the word undisputed means?

undisputed
[ˌəndəˈspyo͞odəd]

ADJECTIVE
not disputed or called in question; accepted.​

What do you think the word means?

 

[less right]

I stated every single witness who testified stated they had no knowledge of any impeachable crime by Trump.

It couldn't be every single one. I saw at least two witnesses answer that question by explaining it wasn't their job to identify impeachable crimes.

 

[eohrnberger]

Lets take a look.

1. The DNC is broke and doesn't even have enough money for a convention
2. Their total candidates combined have only raise 1/3 of what Trump has raised by himself
3. They don't have a single candidate that can beat Trump
4. They have been caught twice now with fake impeachment scandals making unsupported claims and fake accusations
5. They have become so far left that even moderate Democrats won't support them
6. The FISA warrant scandal has now arrived with the first claim about an FBI official providing falsified documents to the court
7. Pelosi and Schiff have promised the world they would remove Trump
8. Trump has raised over 350 million with a year to go
9. The economy and stock markets are booming and unemployment numbers are all historical lows
10. Most people have tuned out the impeachment hearings and the debates

I'd add that as the days go by, the polls continue to swing away from the Democrats and their politically driven impeachment, and against impeachment.

The Democrats have pulled out and used the ultimate political nuclear weapon and their hoax detonated that nuke right in their faces.

But did you expect? When they have committed to impeachment 5 milliseconds after the election was called, and have not proven any impeachable act or grounds on which to found their impeachment?

Where the Democrats really foolish enough and delusional enough to believe that their media puppets force feeding their preferred political narratives wouldn't be recognized by the electorate?
That their media puppets force feeding their preferred political narratives Sufficient to move the electorate needle? Really?

Fail.

Seems the Democrats seriously underestimated the majority of the electorate, and even the moderate members of their own party, or who used to be of their own party.

How stupid and arrogant can you get?
And, given how stupid and arrogant that it is, do you really want to elect that stupidity and arrogance to high office? Really?

 

[Deuce]

If they can't raise but less than 1/3 of Trumps donations collectively while they have candidates who are drawing from 20 different sources, how in the hell do you think one single candidate will catch up to Trump. Which none of this has anything to do with the DNC being broke. They raise money for their single candidate and they can't even pay for a convention.

Donations go way, way up once an actual candidate is selected. A very, very small percentage of the population participates in primaries.

We all saw how those polls worked in 2016. How did that work out for ya

The polls in 2016 were not wrong. Like most of the population, you appear to be under the impression polls said "Hillary Clinton is going to win." They did not say that. They said "Hillary Clinton is favored to win." Which was true. The vote totals were well within margin of error. Trump got a very lucky distribution of those votes.

Then you shouldn't have any problem providing information where the DOJ or IG is supporting either one of the fake impeachment claims.

You've decided that only organizations directly controlled by Trump can provide information you would accept? Did you give Obama this same courtesy? Only Eric Holder's word was good for you regarding Obama's alleged misdeeds? I suspect this is not true.

Then you are really screwed

Moderates turn out in smaller numbers on both sides. This isn't new.

You should turn on the news. Even the Liberal media is reporting on it.

Reporting on a claim doesn't make the claim true.

Voters do and all they have been told is lies by Democrats and Schiff now for 3 years.

Your opinion on that is entirely uninteresting to me. The perception of a cultist holds no value.

Yeah, right. The highest presidential candidate fund raising in history more than double the second highest and it doesn't bother you. Suuuure.

The Obama campaign spend over seven hundred million dollars, I'm not sure you're comparing like figures. Post a source so I know specifically what you are claiming.

Voters disagree

I am more interested in fact than opinion. Your choice on that regard is not of interest to me.

Its an indicator that there is nothing anyone believes.

Incorrect.

 

[OscarLevant]

Yeah, thats what I thought. More drivel with no ability.

I stated Trump has raised over 350 million which is more than 3 times the amount of all Democrat candidates combined.

Are statements like that so far out of your ability to answer?

I stated every single witness who testified stated they had no knowledge of any impeachable crime by Trump.

Is that one out of your ability as well?

All you have is fake claims just like the party you represent. You can't even discuss the actual events unfolding because it just hurts too much for you to address.

We all get it.

That's what you thought? well you might have a point if you can think , apparently you cannot

You made your argument that's fine but the point here is you said it was indisputable that's hardly true

The witnesses said they didn't hear Trump say there was a quid pro quo or there was bribery they did say they witnessed it though. The Confluence of multiple events and overall entirety of the things that happened over a certain period Left several Foreign Service officers with the unescapable conclusion of what Trump did and they testified to that fact. When we're talking about the president of the United States the stakes are as high as they could possibly be and you would not have several credible unimpeachable Witnesses risk reputation and possible jail time for perjury to testify to what they saw if they did not see it and to top it off we have Bolton saying to Hill tell all the lawyers and he wouldn't have told her to tell the lawyers if Guiliani Mulvaney, Pompeo. Trump et al were playing tiddlywinks.

Please tell us that you are not a moron



there, I just disputed your so-called indisputable post
Which goes back to my original point that the only thing that is indisputable is that you don't understand what the word indisputable means.

 

[Casper]

Snowflakes, whining is what they do when they have no defence of their Messiah.

 

[smallvoice]

Trump tried to bribe Ukraine.

You can dispute it but, you won't be taken seriously.


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The US. “bribes” foreign governments EVERYDAY. The very issue you are hanging your hat on, the grants GIVEN to foreign governments, are part of international business. “We’ll give you $X millions in return for Y.” If you think if Y doesn’t happen they will get $Xm, you are dreaming. Get your head out of **** defilade.


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[Winston]

The US. “bribes” foreign governments EVERYDAY. The very issue you are hanging your hat on, the grants GIVEN to foreign governments, are part of international business. “We’ll give you $X millions in return for Y.” If you think if Y doesn’t happen they will get $Xm, you are dreaming. Get your head out of **** defilade.


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QPQ are normal. Buying groceries is a QPQ. Corrupt QPQ is not however


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[Jay59]

Right off the bat, you were wrong.
“ 1. It is undisputed that Democrats started their Impeachment quest the day Trump took office”
Where is your proof? Not conspiracy theories, wild ass guesses, or hunches. Hard, verifiable, direct and irrefutable proof?

There is video. I forget which Congressman and it may have been the first week rather than the first day, but pretty close.

Of course talk is easy, so I don't count the guy much. The machinery that became the Mueller investigation was already moving in July 2016. That is a major scandal.

 

[Casca XV]

What is undisputable is your lack of understanding of what the word undisputable means

And yet you don't dispute any of his points

 

[RaleBulgarian]

There is video. I forget which Congressman and it may have been the first week rather than the first day, but pretty close.

Of course talk is easy, so I don't count the guy much. The machinery that became the Mueller investigation was already moving in July 2016. That is a major scandal.

Condor claimed that “Democrats” started looking for a way to impeach Trump the day he took office. Still waiting for his hard, verifiable, direct and irrefutable proof.

The original scandal is what precipitated the investigation. Then there were more scandals during the investigation. All of Trump’s doing.

 

[3leftsdoo]

We are all watching history in the making. While most Democrat posters will simply dismiss the actual events, you can't overlook the actual UNDISPUTED events taking place.

1. It is undisputed that Democrats started their Impeachment quest the day Trump took office

2. It is undisputed that Democrats falsely accused Trump of being a planted Russian asset and took this country through hell for 2 1/2 years over fake claims.

3. In their newest quest for Impeachment, Pelosi started the process before she even read Trumps call script and before she even read the WB complaint.

4. It is undisputed that EVERY Impeachment witness was asked if they had any evidence, directions from Trump, directions from Rudy G, or any knowledge of Trump committing bribery or a quid pro quo and EVERY witness answer was NO.

5. It is undisputed that Zelenski stated no pressure was ever put upon him to receive the money

6. It is undisputed that Zelenski received the money and still has not started any investigation into Biden

7. The DNC has raised 88 million but only has 8 million cash on hand with more than that in unpaid bills

8. Trump has raised over 350 million which is the highest in history for a presidential candidate. Obama held that record with 145 million

9. 61% of those funds raised are from voters averaging $49. This is also the highest in history with Obama coming in second with 43% voter support

10. Trump has raised over 3 times the amount of ALL DEMOCRAT CANDIDATES COMBINED

11. At the start of the fake Impeachment hearings Trump raised another 15 million

12. If Democrats are dumb enough to actually impeach (which they are) this will move to a Republican controlled Senate trial where Schiff and the whistle blower will be called to testify among the other individuals Schiff would not allow to testify in the Impeachment proceedings.

Yes, they are that dumb.

13. Coupled with the Inspector Generals investigation report that is coming out December 9 to include actual indictments for those who were involved in the fake FISA warrants used by Democrats to spy on the Trump campaign, and the early release of faking documents to get these warrants.

I expect Democrat posters will fill this thread with Meme's and more fake theories but they will not address the undisputed events that are taking place.

You just can't make this stuff up. Democrats actually think you can convict someone on presumptions and hearsay because they think have this magical higher morality that they will force upon the rest of the country. They want free healthcare for Illegals, 52 trillion dollar health care plans, and decriminalization of Illegals.

This is the bubble in which they live.

And you haven't cited the 1/1000th of it.

The party's doomed - it's just a question of how soon & what follows.

:thumbs:

 

[Jay59]

Condor claimed that “Democrats” started looking for a way to impeach Trump the day he took office. Still waiting for his hard, verifiable, direct and irrefutable proof. The original scandal is what precipitated the investigation. Then there were more scandals during the investigation. All of Trump’s doing.

That's too late. They were looking for a way to impeach before the election. You have seen the proof. Strzok referred to it as the insurance policy.

None of this is Trump's doing. Don't be such a snowflake.

 

[Condor060]

The witnesses said they didn't hear Trump say there was a quid pro quo or there was bribery they did say they witnessed it though.

How can they witness something they didn't hear? This is what your ideology has come to.

Idiotic claims.

 

[Condor060]

It couldn't be every single one. I saw at least two witnesses answer that question by explaining it wasn't their job to identify impeachable crimes.

Every witness was asked by Jim Jordon if they witnesses Trump commit any impeachable offense. Every one said no.

 

[Condor060]

Right off the bat, you were wrong.
“ 1. It is undisputed that Democrats started their Impeachment quest the day Trump took office”
Where is your proof? Not conspiracy theories, wild ass guesses, or hunches. Hard, verifiable, direct and irrefutable proof?

Efforts to impeach Donald Trump - Wikipedia

Trump Inauguration: Impeachment Campaign Launch | Time

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/01/20/the-campaign-to-impeach-president-trump-has-begun/

Hows that for wild ass guesses or did you need a few hundred more. Do you ever read the news or do you just sling anything against the wall to see if it sticks.

 

[Nickyjo]

Because Trump was a criminal long before he ran for office, yes.


That's an inflated characterization of the accusations. Disputed.


False. The GOP repeatedly held that there was no impeachment process until the House vote. Disputed.

Disputed. It was outright said he did a quid pro quo. Testimony is evidence.


Him stating it does not make it fact.


Irrelevant.

I deleted the rest because you veered off into some fundraising tangent that doesn't seem relevant to impeachment.

Not completely irrelevant. Part of the mantra of some on the right is that more money means you are more moral. So-called Protestant ethic and all that. That Trump raises more money means that he is morally superior. Money is speech, after all. And good for paying off porn stars or students defrauded by Trump University.

 

[Trump]

QPQ are normal. Buying groceries is a QPQ. Corrupt QPQ is not however


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Hunter had corrupt qpq.....crackhead with million dollar deal because his dad was vp.

That’s political corruption and Obama knew about it.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Lets take a look.

1. The DNC is broke and doesn't even have enough money for a convention
2. Their total candidates combined have only raise 1/3 of what Trump has raised by himself
3. They don't have a single candidate that can beat Trump
4. They have been caught twice now with fake impeachment scandals making unsupported claims and fake accusations
5. They have become so far left that even moderate Democrats won't support them
6. The FISA warrant scandal has now arrived with the first claim about an FBI official providing falsified documents to the court
7. Pelosi and Schiff have promised the world they would remove Trump
8. Trump has raised over 350 million with a year to go
9. The economy and stock markets are booming and unemployment numbers are all historical lows
10. Most people have tuned out the impeachment hearings and the debates

Well if money is supposed to be an indicator the it's not a sure bet because Clinton had raised almost double of what Trump did in 2016 and still lost. It will be interesting to see what comes out of the Democratic primaries though, because what they're really liking is a motivational candidate; Warren so far is the best bet in that regard. How her plans (healthcare specifically) are received as the campaign goes on will give us a better sense of how viable she really is. There's Bloomberg entering the race now, but he isn't that inspirational either.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Efforts to impeach Donald Trump - Wikipedia

Trump Inauguration: Impeachment Campaign Launch | Time
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/01/20/the-campaign-to-impeach-president-trump-has-begun/

Hows that for wild ass guesses or did you need a few hundred more. Do you ever read the news or do you just sling anything against the wall to see if it sticks.

“.. Democrats started their Impeachment quest the day Trump took office ..”
^^^ Your own words ^^^
First link references actions taken after Trump’s inauguration.

Second link references civil rights groups, not Dems, and certainly not elected Dem officials.

Third link won’t open, but I’m willing to wager it doesn’t support your bogus claim either.

Another Condor fail.

 

[TheParser]

Democrats actually think you can convict someone on presumptions and hearsay because they think have this magical higher morality that they will force upon the rest of the country.

Sadly, they ARE in the saddle.

The Dems, with the help of growing numbers of legal and "unauthorized" immigrants, are poised to retake the Executive Mansion in 2020.

They will then get an amendment to abolish the Electoral College.

I agree with people who feel that the future of this country is GRIM.

All countries eventually fall. We should not expect to be spared this fate.