"The Unborn"

[Bodi]

Defined as such by law, no?

Yep... and that is relevant how?

 

[RaleBulgarian]

You persist in posting your misunderstanding? Why? Just to post? To badger me? I am against abortion on moral grounds, and I am for abortion law legalizing abortion on pragmatic grounds. If you can't understand that, shove off.

So, you’re saying that pragmatism takes precedence over your morals. Got it.

 

[AlphaOmega]

You persist in posting your misunderstanding? Why? Just to post? To badger me? I am against abortion on moral grounds, and I am for abortion law legalizing abortion on pragmatic grounds. If you can't understand that, shove off.

Thats not what you said. You said you were anti-abortion. You are factually not.

 

[Lursa]

You persist in posting your misunderstanding? Why? Just to post? To badger me? I am against abortion on moral grounds, and I am for abortion law legalizing abortion on pragmatic grounds. If you can't understand that, shove off.

So, you’re saying that pragmatism takes precedence over your morals. Got it.

Ya gotta save that one. Jeez.

:doh

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Individual]

The only question should be "At what point, if any, during a pregnancy does/should society/government have, or be given authority over the Woman to make a decision to have an abortion?
Should buffet restaurants charge pregnant Women more because they are eating for two?

 

[Angel]

Thats not what you said. You said you were anti-abortion. You are factually not.

I'm against abortion morally but for legalized safe abortion, yes. That's what I said. Now move on.

 

[Marrybore]

I see no problem with when an unborn becomes a person. Legally it is quite clear when that is. And according to the pro choice side of the argument the unborn becomes a person when the parents choose to see it as such. Ans according to the pro life side it is their right to force their opinion of when on everyone.

That argument seems somewhat dubious to me. Why do the parents get to choose when the unborn becomes a person?

One of americas founding fathers is often credited with the quote that should sort that question out, which is. The right to swing your fist ends where the other persons nose begins. The unborn does not have the right to demand a woman's body for its survival. Just as someone who will die from kidney failure but is a perfect donor match to you does not have the right to demand one of your kidneys.

So, do you view the unborn child and its mother as completely separate humans? Technically they are, but the child is entirely dependent on the mother, and it was the mother that created the child, whether she intended to or not. You yourself claim that the mother gets to decide when the unborn child even becomes a person. Parents arguably have a responsibility for their children, even if the children are not fully formed and unborn as of yet.

You keep asking the same question hoping for a different answer each time. Sign of insanity in some. The answer of course remains the same. No matter what i think or plead the decision will always rest with her as it is her right to decide what happens to her body.


What point are you trying to make with this? That a woman is simply an inferior creature that i can manipulate as i please regardless of her own intent? What your question is really asking is do i think women are stupid shallow beings that i need to control because i know better than them.


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If a murderer is going to kill a baby then that changes the structure of the pro choice position as it no longer is the choice of the women but that of the murderer.

It is simple enough. Do you think women are to stupid to run there own lives. That a man should tell them what to do. Are you a religious fanatic who follows the bible to the point that you consider it your god given right to treat a woman as your property.

Women are intelligent, capable people. They occupy all sorts of careers that take caring, kindness and intelligence and thought. Yet for some reason you doubt their ability to make a decision about abortion. Why is that?

Can you stop bringing sexism into this? Sexism is involved in the argument, but is irrelevant when it comes to the proper issue. You misunderstand. I do not doubt women's ability to make a decision about abortion because they are women. They are not inferior, that is a fact.

 

[Peter King]

I'm against abortion morally but for legalized safe abortion, yes. That's what I said. Now move on.

No, that is not what you said, you said:

I'm Pro-Life, Pro-Choice and Anti-Abortion.

You cannot be pro-life and pro-choice. You can be anti-abortion and pro-choice, but then the anti-abortion is solely your own moral view about your situation because you cannot understand or morally value or denounce other people's choice.

 

[Angel]

So, you’re saying that pragmatism takes precedence over your morals. Got it.

Thats not what you said. You said you were anti-abortion. You are factually not.

Ya gotta save that one. Jeez.

:doh

The harmonious harsh voices of the Lullaby League Guild are an endless source of delight to children of all ages.

 

[AlphaOmega]

The harmonious harsh voices of the Lullaby League Guild are an endless source of delight to children of all ages.

Did that sound funny in your head? Just curious.

 

[AlphaOmega]

I'm against abortion morally but for legalized safe abortion, yes. That's what I said. Now move on.

I'll move on when I decide to move on. You claimed you are anti abortion. You in fact are not. You are literally for legal safe abortion.

 

[weaver2]

Can you stop bringing sexism into this? Sexism is involved in the argument, but is irrelevant when it comes to the proper issue. You misunderstand. I do not doubt women's ability to make a decision about abortion because they are women. They are not inferior, that is a fact.

I don't see how sexism can be left out of any abortion discussion. The movement's goal is denying women the right of privacy in which to make personal decisions because women's decisions are not moral or rational. Someone needs to make those decisions for her.

 

[Angel]

I'll move on when I decide to move on. You claimed you are anti abortion. You in fact are not. You are literally for legal safe abortion.

You'll move on right now or you'll be talking to yourself. Stay safe.

 

[Marrybore]

I don't see how sexism can be left out of any abortion discussion. The movement's goal is denying women the right of privacy in which to make personal decisions because women's decisions are not moral or rational. Someone needs to make those decisions for her.

Sexism and pro-life are linked. However, pro-lifers should not use the pro-life ideology as an excuse to be sexist. If they try to do that just ignore them. The more rational pro-lifers are denying women the right to bodily autonomy because coincidentally it's women who become pregnant and suffer the consequences - and if it wasn't just women who could become pregnant, these pro-lifers wouldn't care and would still be anti-abortion (regrettably there aren't actually many pro-lifers like this). Any argument that women cannot make their own decisions because they're female (unrelated to the fact that females can get pregnant), should be dismissed. It's got nothing to do with the real issue of abortion.

 

[Angel]

Did that sound funny in your head? Just curious.

In my head, my gut, my bones, and my bowels.

 

[weaver2]

I'm against abortion morally but for legalized safe abortion, yes. That's what I said. Now move on.

No, that's not what you said. This is what you said

"The Unborn"
The Dehumanization of a Human
This is the term used by Abortion Apologists to describe the individual human life gestating inside a woman during pregnancy: "The Unborn."
Sounds like the title of a horror movie, doesn't it?
That's exactly the connotation Abortion Apologetics seeks when it rejects terms like "baby" or "child"
although historically pregnant women were commonly said to be "with child" and "having a baby"
and are still so described by those who have not sold out to Abortion Culture.
The aim of Abortion Apologetics is to dehumanize the human life growing inside a pregnant woman so that it can be killed without compunction.

Sometimes Abortion Apologists will use the more sci-fi horror name "Zef" --
but this acronymic dehumanization is less effective that the more subtle dysphemism: "The Unborn."
"Zef" shows their hand.
"Zef" is the name of a monster.
"The Unborn," on the other hand, though more eerie than "Zef," lends itself more readily to the denial of its dehumanizing purpose.

"The Unborn" is a baby, a child, a developing human life.
Oppose Abortion Culture.
Call out Abortion Apologetics for what it represents -- the dehumanization of human being.

Comments?
Contrition?
Testimonials?

 

[Angel]

No, that's not what you said. This is what you said

"The Unborn"
The Dehumanization of a Human
This is the term used by Abortion Apologists to describe the individual human life gestating inside a woman during pregnancy: "The Unborn."
Sounds like the title of a horror movie, doesn't it?
That's exactly the connotation Abortion Apologetics seeks when it rejects terms like "baby" or "child"
although historically pregnant women were commonly said to be "with child" and "having a baby"
and are still so described by those who have not sold out to Abortion Culture.
The aim of Abortion Apologetics is to dehumanize the human life growing inside a pregnant woman so that it can be killed without compunction.

Sometimes Abortion Apologists will use the more sci-fi horror name "Zef" --
but this acronymic dehumanization is less effective that the more subtle dysphemism: "The Unborn."
"Zef" shows their hand.
"Zef" is the name of a monster.
"The Unborn," on the other hand, though more eerie than "Zef," lends itself more readily to the denial of its dehumanizing purpose.

"The Unborn" is a baby, a child, a developing human life.
Oppose Abortion Culture.
Call out Abortion Apologetics for what it represents -- the dehumanization of human being.

Comments?
Contrition?
Testimonials?

Nothing in the post you mangled to quote is there said anything that contradicts being for legalization of abortion.

 

[AlphaOmega]

You'll move on right now or you'll be talking to yourself. Stay safe.

Hey if you want to make false statements about being anti abortion when you clearly are not rather than correct your statement I'm fine with that. I prefer getting religious types to bear false witness.

 

[AlphaOmega]

In my head, my gut, my bones, and my bowels.

mmmmkay....I'll leave you to the sounds of your bowels then.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

The harmonious harsh voices of the Lullaby League Guild are an endless source of delight to children of all ages.

:lamo :roll:

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Ya gotta save that one. Jeez.

:doh

Yep. Every once in a while Angel slips up and tells the truth.

 

[prometeus]

I am against abortion on moral grounds, and I am for abortion law legalizing abortion on pragmatic grounds.

Great. Finally a clear and to the point post from you instead of the usual bull crap and sophistry.
Live your life according to your morals as nobody else gives a crap and stop the endless drivel postings.

 

[Angel]

Great. Finally a clear and to the point post from you instead of the usual bull crap and sophistry.
Live your life according to your morals as nobody else gives a crap and stop the endless drivel postings.

Mind your own business and stop the persistent idiot posts as I have long since stopped taking them seriously.

 

[Individual]

Yep. Every once in a while Angel slips up and tells the truth.

I must have missed the first time, but I'm not going to read through more than 17K posts trying to find it so I'll take your word that it's happened before.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

I must have missed the first time, but I'm not going to read through more than 17K posts trying to find it so I'll take your word that it's happened before.

Your trust gives me a warm feeling all over.