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the UK under Lock Down

There were some moronic comments about multiculturalism being the reason for Leicester's Coronavirus spike but it simply turns out to be unsafe factories demanding staff keep going in to work despite being unwell with the virus.

Health Secretary even going so far as to threaten to shut down some of these places. Same kind of working practices in factories in northern Italy which had its own spike.

Matt Hancock threatens to shut down Leicester factories breaking Covid-19 rules

Hancock has ‘quite significant concerns’ about Leicester clothing factories | ITV News

Let's see how to blame this on BLM....
 
Infinite Chaos said:
There were some moronic comments about multiculturalism being the reason for Leicester's Coronavirus spike but it simply turns out to be unsafe factories demanding staff keep going in to work despite being unwell with the virus.

Health Secretary even going so far as to threaten to shut down some of these places. Same kind of working practices in factories in northern Italy which had its own spike.

Matt Hancock threatens to shut down Leicester factories breaking Covid-19 rules

Hancock has ‘quite significant concerns’ about Leicester clothing factories | ITV News

Let's see how to blame this on BLM....
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and then there was that factory in Leicester as well were the workers were paid slave wages and treated like slaves the authorities knew about it and did nothing in case they were accused of racism .... i didn't need to read the rest of the story it would have made me angry i don't care about any ones background but if they are treating workers like slaves then they should be punished and there workers compensated
 
Boris and Co continue to **** up. They finally have agreed on masks in shops being mandatory....but only from the 24rh of July. Why the hell wait that long?

Let me guess, there ain't enough masks in the UK......

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PeteEU said:
Boris and Co continue to **** up. They finally have agreed on masks in shops being mandatory....but only from the 24rh of July. Why the hell wait that long?

Let me guess, there ain't enough masks in the UK......

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The whole masks in shops thing makes no sense when Gyms and pubs are open and have no mask regulations. My sister works in a super market and she has never worn a mask so it makes no sense to start now that the virus has virtually gone.

I think that the government has miscalculated and assumed mask wearing in shops will make those that are worried about the virus more inclined to go out shopping and start boosting the economy....but masks will have the opposite effect.

Without masks the virus has been massively reduced (in the UK), so why the assumption that masks are actually very useful?

There is no face mask shortage.
 
Big Eye said:
The whole masks in shops thing makes no sense when Gyms and pubs are open and have no mask regulations. My sister works in a super market and she has never worn a mask so it makes no sense to start now that the virus has virtually gone.

I think that the government has miscalculated and assumed mask wearing in shops will make those that are worried about the virus more inclined to go out shopping and start boosting the economy....but masks will have the opposite effect.

Without masks the virus has been massively reduced (in the UK), so why the assumption that masks are actually very useful?

There is no face mask shortage.
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Masks in public indoor spaces makes perfect sense and the virus is not virtually gone...far from it. Your attitude is the very reason that there will be a second spike in the UK and the reason we are seeing British tourists getting fined and arrested in Spain.

What does not make sense is why the UK has reinvent the wheel every time when under a Tory government. We know what helps in controlling this bug and it is wearing masks in public spaces. It has worked all over Europe so why does the UK have to be special?

In almost every outbreak case in Spain at the moment it is private indoor functions (party, funeral) that have caused and outbreak. So far, "knocks on wood" there has been no outbreak connected to a bar, shop or similar who all have had mandatory mask wearing since day 1.

The only way we can keep the bug from coming back with a vengeance is if we are viligant in masks and hand cleaning.







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PeteEU said:
Or Boris tryi g to cover his ass and distract from other news like the Russia report.

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This blatant lying works against the government that's why there will be an enquiry. Let's drain the swamp, and those found guilty of deliberately mis-leading the public at a time of national crisis get sent to prison.
 
Oh goodie, the whole cabinet behind bars.:lol:
 
Big Eye said:
This blatant lying works against the government that's why there will be an enquiry. Let's drain the swamp, and those found guilty of deliberately mis-leading the public at a time of national crisis get sent to prison.
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LOL so thats Boris and co going to prison... Misleading on a daily basis.
 
PeteEU said:
LOL so thats Boris and co going to prison... Misleading on a daily basis.
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Put it this way, if anyone has been deliberately lying about the numbers dying from this disease in order to mislead the British public I say put them in prison, I don't give a **** who they are. I'm not guided by blind hate like you.

The dangers of this virus have been completely overplayed...less people than normal are currently dying in the UK, this whole episode is about more than this virus, the virus was just a means to get us where we are. You can call that a conspiracy theory, but leading "authorities" are getting caught lying. This could end up being the scandal to end all scandals .
 
Hancock came into the Lying Johnson government with a "deer in the headlights" look about him. Since then he has lied egregiously to the point where he is competing directly with Bozo and Jenrick the housing minister caught up in corruption scandals, who remains unpunished as yet. His fake numbers are already much lower than the "Excess deaths" figure of 63,000 and now he wants to "recalculate" (reduce) them even further.
When they began the cull only those who died in hospital who tested positive were counted. Many died at home, and there were few tests, but h=the method continued until it emerged that thousands were dying in care homes untested, with little or no PPE! From then, care home deaths were included, but only from that date. Previous deaths were ignored. And so it goes. You may have Trump but we have a whole government of congenital liars, supported by morons football thugs and Russian bots.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Hancock came into the Lying Johnson government with a "deer in the headlights" look about him. Since then he has lied egregiously to the point where he is competing directly with Bozo and Jenrick the housing minister caught up in corruption scandals, who remains unpunished as yet. His fake numbers are already much lower than the "Excess deaths" figure of 63,000 and now he wants to "recalculate" (reduce) them even further.
When they began the cull only those who died in hospital who tested positive were counted. Many died at home, and there were few tests, but h=the method continued until it emerged that thousands were dying in care homes untested, with little or no PPE! From then, care home deaths were included, but only from that date. Previous deaths were ignored. And so it goes. You may have Trump but we have a whole government of congenital liars, supported by morons football thugs and Russian bots.
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People like you are the real issue...trying to spread fear in the hope that socialists can claim the moral high ground. 1 in 1300 death rate , most of them over 80 ...and now it seems many of the deaths with Covid rather than because of it. Read the ****ing link if you think that the numbers are being down played.

Socialism is one big ****ing lie, so accusing others of lying is a bit rich coming from two-faced socialists. This virus is nowhere near as dangerous as made out, nowhere ****ing near.
 
Big Eye said:
People like you are the real issue...trying to spread fear in the hope that socialists can claim the moral high ground. 1 in 1300 death rate , most of them over 80 ...and now it seems many of the deaths with Covid rather than because of it. Read the ****ing link if you think that the numbers are being down played.

Socialism is one big ****ing lie, so accusing others of lying is a bit rich coming from two-faced socialists. This virus is nowhere near as dangerous as made out, nowhere ****ing near.
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The CDC in the US combines influenza and pneumonia deaths together since it is almost impossible to distinguish between the two as to the actual cause of death. The same is true for COVID-19. Just because someone tested positive for COVID-19 does not necessarily mean that they died from the virus. Particularly when they are over the age of 60.

Another factor that is not being taken into consideration in the US are the deaths by hospitalization. Influenza and pneumonia are the eighth leading cause of death in the US, but medical mistakes are the third leading cause of death in the US with more than 440,000 deaths caused every year. Which means that if you are being treated in a hospital in the US for either influenza or pneumonia, your risk of death just dramatically increased.

There is also a financial incentive for hospitals to over report COVID-19 positive cases in the US, they receive more federal aid. So in effect they are being paid to inflate the number of COVID-19 deaths.
 
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Glitch said:
The CDC in the US combines influenza and pneumonia deaths together since it is almost impossible to distinguish between the two as to the actual cause of death. The same is true for COVID-19. Just because someone tested positive for COVID-19 does not necessarily mean that they died from the virus. Particularly when they are over the age of 60.

Another factor that is not being taken into consideration in the US are the deaths by hospitalization. Influenza and pneumonia are the eighth leading cause of death in the US, but medical mistakes are the third leading cause of death in the US with more than 440,000 deaths caused every year. Which means that if you are being treated in a hospital in the US for either influenza or pneumonia, your risk of death just dramatically increased.

There is also a financial incentive for hospitals to over report COVID-19 positive cases in the US, they receive more federal aid. So in effect they are being paid to inflate the number of COVID-19 deaths.
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Something about this pandemic feels contrived to me. I know that makes me a conspiracy theorist but major organisations are getting caught out lying about how dangerous this thing is. I live in an area of the UK that is crowded and apparently had a big outbreak of Covid 19...I don't know anyone who knows anyone that has died of this.

Sometimes it is best to look at the outcome from an event to see the real reason for it. I think this disease was probably deliberately released to cause the outcome that we are seeing...a complete economic reset built on the back of this lock down. Maybe I'm wrong but things look conspired, this disease hits at just the right level to cause a lockdown without wiping out vast populations...it seems so well balanced .There are also virologists stating that they think this virus is probably engineered.

Hopefully time will expose the truth of it all.
 
Big Eye said:
Something about this pandemic feels contrived to me. I know that makes me a conspiracy theorist but major organisations are getting caught out lying about how dangerous this thing is. I live in an area of the UK that is crowded and apparently had a big outbreak of Covid 19...I don't know anyone who knows anyone that has died of this.

Sometimes it is best to look at the outcome from an event to see the real reason for it. I think this disease was probably deliberately released to cause the outcome that we are seeing...a complete economic reset built on the back of this lock down. Maybe I'm wrong but things look conspired, this disease hits at just the right level to cause a lockdown without wiping out vast populations...it seems so well balanced .There are also virologists stating that they think this virus is probably engineered.

Hopefully time will expose the truth of it all.
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The leftists, particularly in the media, are certainly doing everything in their power to incite panic in an attempt to cause as much disruption before the election as possible. They want the States shut down and the economy destroyed. The more Americans that die, the happier Democrats become because they think they can blame it all on Trump. Which is why we have Governors intentionally embedding COVID-19 infected patients in nursing homes by Executive Order, in order to increase the number of deaths. All of them Democrat Governors or course: Cuomo, Murphy, Wolf, and Newsom. They should all be charged with mass murder.

It is certainly no coincidence that every State with a Democrat Governor has the highest number of COVID-19 deaths out of all 50 States.
 
Big Eye said:
Something about this pandemic feels contrived to me. I know that makes me a conspiracy theorist but major organisations are getting caught out lying about how dangerous this thing is. I live in an area of the UK that is crowded and apparently had a big outbreak of Covid 19...I don't know anyone who knows anyone that has died of this.

Sometimes it is best to look at the outcome from an event to see the real reason for it. I think this disease was probably deliberately released to cause the outcome that we are seeing...a complete economic reset built on the back of this lock down. Maybe I'm wrong but things look conspired, this disease hits at just the right level to cause a lockdown without wiping out vast populations...it seems so well balanced .There are also virologists stating that they think this virus is probably engineered.

Hopefully time will expose the truth of it all.
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So was this a global conspiracy to create and release the virus, or a one between the US, UK, parts of Europe who seemed to handle the virus the worst, using it to reset their economies all done with the knowledge of Trump, Johnson etc, to put more control on the people

Or was it release by China, with the support of South Korea and Japan to reduce the "western world" to its knees through economic hardship. Knowing that they could contain the virus without locking down everything, while the west with the exception of Germany, (and a few other smaller countries) would do horribly

Or was it released by the US, with the intent to damage the Chinese economy, but the US did not think the virus would mutate and get into the US, through the backdoor of Europe
 
The CT forum is down the hall, last on the left, right after the latrine.:roll:
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
So was this a global conspiracy to create and release the virus, or a one between the US, UK, parts of Europe who seemed to handle the virus the worst, using it to reset their economies all done with the knowledge of Trump, Johnson etc, to put more control on the people

Or was it release by China, with the support of South Korea and Japan to reduce the "western world" to its knees through economic hardship. Knowing that they could contain the virus without locking down everything, while the west with the exception of Germany, (and a few other smaller countries) would do horribly

Or was it released by the US, with the intent to damage the Chinese economy, but the US did not think the virus would mutate and get into the US, through the backdoor of Europe
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One of the key points about this virus is that it has mutated as it moved into Europe and the States...it is now 10 times more contagious than when it broke out in Wuhan. There is zero chance that the West could have contained it given the struggle the dictatorship in China had when it wasn't so contagious.

I think this virus is being used as an economic reset button, it looks as though the entire world banking system (that was in danger of collapse) is now lending money out to everyone on a vast scale. I was reading stuff last year about the FED circulating money in the States to make the economy look more viable than what it actually is. Also stocks are doing well (maybe due a correction soon )which doesn't make sense ...unless large organisations are buying their own shares with cheap money. Also leaking a manufactured virus into the population would be really easy...I've already read that extremists are self infecting in order to spread this thing...if those morons can do it anyone can.
 
Chagos said:
The CT forum is down the hall, last on the left, right after the latrine.:roll:
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conspiracy
/kənˈspɪrəsi/

noun
a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
"a conspiracy to destroy the government"

Nothing unbelievable about conspiracies...unless you don't believe in the bad side of human nature.
 
conspiracy theories

conspiracy theorists come up with ideas out of thin air to match whatever 'fact' they think is true, and often use paranoia-based beliefs to convince others.
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these people tend to be uncooperative, distrustful, and socially isolated — which is why believing in a conspiracy theory with strangers on the internet can give them a sense of belonging.
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:lamo
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
So was this a global conspiracy to create and release the virus, or a one between the US, UK, parts of Europe who seemed to handle the virus the worst, using it to reset their economies all done with the knowledge of Trump, Johnson etc, to put more control on the people

Or was it release by China, with the support of South Korea and Japan to reduce the "western world" to its knees through economic hardship. Knowing that they could contain the virus without locking down everything, while the west with the exception of Germany, (and a few other smaller countries) would do horribly

Or was it released by the US, with the intent to damage the Chinese economy, but the US did not think the virus would mutate and get into the US, through the backdoor of Europe
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The release was most likely accidental. However, there is no doubt that the SARS-CoV-2 virus was created and not natural in origin. Created primarily by the US, with the help of both Switzerland and China, in 2015. They published a paper proving beyond any doubt that the virus was man-made:

A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence - Nature Medicine, Volume 21, Pages 1508–1513, November 9, 2015

Note the contributors to the paper includes the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, in Wuhan, China, where the virus was released.
 
Glitch said:
The release was most likely accidental. However, there is no doubt that the SARS-CoV-2 virus was created and not natural in origin. Created primarily by the US, with the help of both Switzerland and China, in 2015. They published a paper proving beyond any doubt that the virus was man-made:

A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence - Nature Medicine, Volume 21, Pages 1508–1513, November 9, 2015

Note the contributors to the paper includes the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, in Wuhan, China, where the virus was released.
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A perfect cover for a foreign government seeking to hurt China
 
Well I like a good conspiracy theory...:cool:

I think this disease was released deliberately...the security around the facilities that make these things is more or less leak proof...especially after learning from previous mistakes .

Imo there are two likely candidates for leaking the virus (could have got someone who works in the facility to self infect), the CCP in order to facilitate the lock down of Hong Kong and anywhere else that the democratic movement is breaking through. The other alternative is an outside power (not necessarily a government) that sought to prevent the collapse of the banking system or undermine the Chinese economic "miracle" (this is going to do massive damage in the long run to China, especially now that the virus has mutated to a more contagious form ), it's an economic reset button.

This virus is man made and the chances of it escaping by accident is less likely than it being deliberately released for some reason in my opinion.
 
Big Eye said:
Well I like a good conspiracy theory...:cool:

I think this disease was released deliberately...the security around the facilities that make these things is more or less leak proof...especially after learning from previous mistakes .

Imo there are two likely candidates for leaking the virus (could have got someone who works in the facility to self infect), the CCP in order to facilitate the lock down of Hong Kong and anywhere else that the democratic movement is breaking through. The other alternative is an outside power (not necessarily a government) that sought to prevent the collapse of the banking system or undermine the Chinese economic "miracle" (this is going to do massive damage in the long run to China, especially now that the virus has mutated to a more contagious form ), it's an economic reset button.

This virus is man made and the chances of it escaping by accident is less likely than it being deliberately released for some reason in my opinion.
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Considering it was released in China by a lab that only had a small role in the creation of the virus, it would seem to be an accidental release rather than intentional. What would China have to gain by intentionally releasing the virus? It was most likely some technician violating some protocol in the virology lab at Wuhan that caused the release.

If the release had happened in the US, where the virus was originally created in 2015, I would probably agree with you that it was intentionally released. Particularly since its release coincided with an election year. But it wasn't released in the US, it definitely began in China.
 
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