the UK under Lock Down

[Infinite Chaos]

Hopefully BoJo and his cronies will continue pushing their luck with the people to the extreme and will be outed at the next elections.

The ONLY reason the Tories are in power now is because Labour had a far left militant '70s throwback in charge who was unclear/unsure about his stance on Brexit, and also wanted some kind of socialist state.

A more modern centre left leader with a promise to deliver Brexit would have seen the Tories packing their bags - and would most certainly be doing a better job with the current crisis.

When all you have are scandals, nothing becomes scandalous, and the likes of Cummings and Johnson are able to deflect and ignore the concept of culpability.

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It’s not that having a cast of increasingly ridiculous and incompetent villains makes the Tories less capable of playing the media, in fact it makes them more equipped to do so. Remember: the lower they stoop, the lower the public’s bar for their behaviour also falls. Link.

I fear we are getting used to what BoJo and his mob are up to. There may be 40 Conservative MPs backing calls for Cummings to resign but Boris has - and if you watch his performance in front of the committee this week) become adept and simply ignoring the question asked. We are heading down a dark abyss where accountability increasingly means nothing.

 

[PeteEU]

So we Brits have been indoctrinated by some myth to believe that we bounced back after two world wars?

I'm pretty certain we did recover, but how exactly do you think have we been hoodwinked for so long?

You stated Britain bounced back economically after joining Europe, so is this part of the "indoctrinated myth"?

Read Chagos reply, basically sums up what I was trying to say and point out.

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[Snazzy]

I'd propose that (putting it more kindly than Pete did) invoking things like victory in the Battle of Britain (and other similar history) today serves bugger all with a people that in their vast majority weren't even born at the time. I'd also propose that the empire that Britain could fall back upon in those times no longer exists.

As such, invoking a once glorious past is as idiotic as, say, if Spain had placed confidence in overcoming economic plight of only yesterday on the fact that it (also) once ruled the world.

One can use France or Germany in this analogy just as much

IOW the English (cuz that's what this is really about) would be well advised to quit comforting themselves with nostalgic BS over times long dead and buried, and darn well work in the present. And I'm not at all saying they can't do it.

It's simply factual and that's why the UK joined (of its own accord) in the first place. The decision was a competent one and thus prudent, because the country had become the sick man of Europe in the 60s already.

I think you've completely gone in the wrong direction here. Empires, Battle of Britain, Spain, France, German, yada yada yada, really doesn't come into it (for me anyway).

Obviously, if that's your perception on how most Brits think, then it's a rather broad assessment, but thank you for sharing it.

I merely suggested to IC that the UK has bounced back from two world wars, which isn't me repeating some myth that has been indoctrinated in me.

 

[Chagos]

I think you've completely gone in the wrong direction here. Empires, Battle of Britain, Spain, France, German, yada yada yada, really doesn't come into it (for me anyway).

Obviously, if that's your perception on how most Brits think, then it's a rather broad assessment, but thank you for sharing it.

I merely suggested to IC that the UK has bounced back from two world wars, which isn't me repeating some myth that has been indoctrinated in me.

The post War(s) bounce back thing is history and I base the invocation of that (the latter) on my experience of what many Brits still think.

You'll have noticed that I did not rule out the possibility of Britain recovering but pointed out that the key doesn't lie in some glorious past that most have never experienced anyway.

Especially when considering that the last supposed post-War bounce back is assumed as having happened some 75 years ago and, in fact, DID NOT happen at all. But if you insist on invoking it, you're more in the camp of the incorrigible nostalgics than you probably realize.

If you don't understand the analogies I made, there's nothing more I can do for you here.

 

[Sven Karma]

The Daily Mail's description of VE day as "Britain's victory over Europe" pretty much sums up the delusional thinking that's been going on for so long.

 

[Snazzy]

The post War(s) bounce back thing is history and I base the invocation of that (the latter) on my experience of what many Brits still think.

You'll have noticed that I did not rule out the possibility of Britain recovering but pointed out that the key doesn't lie in some glorious past that most have never experienced anyway.

Especially when considering that the last supposed post-War bounce back is assumed as having happened some 75 years ago and, in fact, DID NOT happen at all. But if you insist on invoking it, you're more in the camp of the incorrigible nostalgics than you probably realize.

If you don't understand the analogies I made, there's nothing more I can do for you here.

I fully understand the analogies, I just didn't understand why they were needed - although I can now see you're missing my very simple point. So in this particular case, I agree, there's certainly nothing more you can do for me here.

You're completely confusing my point by overthinking and misguided analysis and judgement.

 

[Snazzy]

The Daily Mail's description of VE day as "Britain's victory over Europe" pretty much sums up the delusional thinking that's been going on for so long.

Can't say I've ever read anywhere about "Britain's victory over Europe". Britain was never at war with Europe per say. We were all allies, apart from a few rotten eggs.

What do you expect from reading the Daily Mail?

It displays the lowest form of shoddy journalism, and has a huge following of delusional readers.

 

[Chagos]

I fully understand the analogies, I just didn't understand why they were needed - although I can now see you're missing my very simple point. So in this particular case, I agree, there's certainly nothing more you can do for me here.

You're completely confusing my point by overthinking and misguided analysis and judgement.

Can't say I've ever read anywhere about "Britain's victory over Europe". Britain was never at war with Europe per say. We were all allies, apart from a few rotten eggs.

What do you expect from reading the Daily Mail?

It displays the lowest form of shoddy journalism, and has a huge following of delusional readers.

If you were here (or, for example, in Belgium), I'd be suggesting that you dip that chip on your shoulder in mayonnaise. As things stand you'll have to make do with vinegar, I guess.

IOW, chill, man.

Jeezzazz.

 

[Sven Karma]

Can't say I've ever read anywhere about "Britain's victory over Europe". Britain was never at war with Europe per say. We were all allies, apart from a few rotten eggs.

What do you expect from reading the Daily Mail?

It displays the lowest form of shoddy journalism, and has a huge following of delusional readers.

Perhaps you are unaware of the concept of reading an article in a more reputable paper (The Scotsman iirc) discussing and quoting from an article in a less reputable one? HTH

 

[Snazzy]

If you were here (or, for example, in Belgium), I'd be suggesting that you dip that chip on your shoulder in mayonnaise. As things stand you'll have to make do with vinegar, I guess.

IOW, chill, man.

Jeezzazz.

In my defense Chagos, I'm not the one here who mistook a flippant comment for some in depth "nostalgic BS" and dissected it a la Freudian style, then enforced my confusion with needless analogies.

Although, I'll pass on the vinegar - it plays havoc with my stomach ulcer, as do patatas bravas (wink)

 

[Snazzy]

Perhaps you are unaware of the concept of reading an article in a more reputable paper (The Scotsman iirc) discussing and quoting from an article in a less reputable one? HTH

Perhaps you are unaware of the concept of attaching links to the articles you're referring to - it makes things sooooo much easier.

I'm all up for debates, but I can't be doing all the legwork too..

 

[Sven Karma]

Perhaps you are unaware of the concept of attaching links to the articles you're referring to - it makes things sooooo much easier.

I'm all up for debates, but I can't be doing all the legwork too..

Here y'go oh legwork challenged person: ‘Victory over Europe’? How VE Day has been subverted by false patriots – Joyce McMillan | The Scotsman

I can copy and paste the whole article if clicking on a link is too effortful for you.

 

[Snazzy]

Here y'go oh legwork challenged person: ‘Victory over Europe’? How VE Day has been subverted by false patriots – Joyce McMillan | The Scotsman

I can copy and paste the whole article if clicking on a link is too effortful for you.

A pointless link, seeing as I have to register my email with the webpage (which I'm not going to do) just to read the article.

Thank you anyway for going way above and beyond the call of duty. I certainly wouldn't want to push my luck in asking to see the whole article, I get more than enough sarcasm and whinging from the wife.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Relaxing lockdown is a risk because levels of the coronavirus are still "very high", one of the government's top science advisers says.
Prof John Edmunds said it was a "political decision" to lift lockdown and that "many" scientists would wait.
The warning comes as Sage, the group of scientists advising government, publish details of their confidential meetings.

Link.

As people have headed for the beaches and papers are filled with photos of people not quite social distancing anymore - BoJo has successfully moved the majority of the news headlines and people's focus off what Cummings did and we now risk spikes and more deaths.

I see those deaths linked to this decision - people will die to keep Cummings in his job.

 

[Sven Karma]

A pointless link, seeing as I have to register my email with the webpage (which I'm not going to do) just to read the article.

Thank you anyway for going way above and beyond the call of duty. I certainly wouldn't want to push my luck in asking to see the whole article, I get more than enough sarcasm and whinging from the wife.

Oh that's a bit odd, I just get told I can read up to 5 articles a week, pretty sure I've never given them an email, maybe they just know I used to live in Scotland.

 

[Godric1970]

As people have headed for the beaches and papers are filled with photos of people not quite social distancing anymore - BoJo has successfully moved the majority of the news headlines and people's focus off what Cummings did and we now risk spikes and more deaths.

I see those deaths linked to this decision - people will die to keep Cummings in his job.

Deaths yesterday across Europe:
Spain 2
Italy 87
Germany 24
France 52
Turkey 28
Belgium 42
Sweden 84
Portugal 14
Ireland 6
Poland 13
Romania 13
Hungary 8
Netherlands 28

United Kingdom ..... 324
- Scotland 15
- Wales 10
- Northern Ireland 3
- England (hospital)149
+ (England carehomes) 147

= England 296

is England really ready for opening the charts i saw yesterday .... the rest of UK going down and England slightly heading up is this the start of a new trend ??

 

[Snazzy]

As people have headed for the beaches and papers are filled with photos of people not quite social distancing anymore - BoJo has successfully moved the majority of the news headlines and people's focus off what Cummings did and we now risk spikes and more deaths.

I see those deaths linked to this decision - people will die to keep Cummings in his job.

The Tory cabinet is full of slimeballs. I truly despise Cummings and his E.T shaped head, in fact I can't even look at pictures of him anymore without wanting to punch his face.

Gove is a slimeball in a sea of puss, and his backing of Cummings is vomit inducing.

I'm starting to believe all these confusing mixed messages are being done on purpose - so who gets the blame in the end. Yep us!

People are pointing their fingers at other people, when they should be aimed at BoJo.

With the scientists beginning to break ranks, it's hard to really know what the hell's going on.

Herd immunity by stealth, is this the machiavellian plan?

 

[Chagos]

A pointless link, seeing as I have to register my email with the webpage (which I'm not going to do) just to read the article.

maybe it's a country by country case because it didn't ask that of me.

Thank you anyway for going way above and beyond the call of duty. I certainly wouldn't want to push my luck in asking to see the whole article, I get more than enough sarcasm and whinging from the wife.

........and I'm slowly beginning to see why.:2razz:
















relax, just kidding.

 

[Snazzy]

........and I'm slowly beginning to see why.:2razz:

Touché lol

 

[Snazzy]

maybe it's a country by country case because it didn't ask that of me.

That's strange.

All I get is this notice after a few seconds -

 

[Chagos]

As people have headed for the beaches and papers are filled with photos of people not quite social distancing anymore - BoJo has successfully moved the majority of the news headlines and people's focus off what Cummings did and we now risk spikes and more deaths.

I see those deaths linked to this decision - people will die to keep Cummings in his job.

I know that I'll probably be catering to BoJo's desire to take the heat of his Cummings fiasco by desperately "moving on", yet I believe that cluster**** to be only one of his motivations, even where it's most likely a major one.

Beyond all of which he faces the same pressures from the populace that every other government is facing thruout Europe and the US, namely the pathetic whine of "you're taking our civil rights and ruining the economy".

That the UK is, due to having in criminal negligence announced its lockdown measures far too late, nowhere near the supposedly more "favourable" numbers of other countries here, takes nothing from that pressure.

None of which also takes anything from my neither opposing that BoJo and Cummings should be shot from the toes upwards, nor from my leeriness at what I see as hasty relaxation of lockdown measures everywhere else, the hell with however favourable or not the numbers may be interpreted there.

 

[Chagos]

That's strange.

All I get is this notice after a few seconds -

View attachment 67282015

Oh, I get that too, but can obviously read the article (for the time being) without needing to register.

 

[Snazzy]

Some of the schools opening here on Monday are a bit of a concern, and personally I'd rather see them closed until after the summer holidays.

After reading today about schools in SK closing again after just a few days of opening leaves little to the imagination of the evitable outcome in England.

..."But just a day later, 79 new cases were recorded, the highest daily figure in two months"...

Coronavirus: South Korea closes schools again after biggest spike in weeks - BBC News

 

[PeteEU]

Some of the schools opening here on Monday are a bit of a concern, and personally I'd rather see them closed until after the summer holidays.

After reading today about schools in SK closing again after just a few days of opening leaves little to the imagination of the evitable outcome in England.

..."But just a day later, 79 new cases were recorded, the highest daily figure in two months"...

Coronavirus: South Korea closes schools again after biggest spike in weeks - BBC News

Yea but that schools were not the reason for the spike. Schools were closed as a preventative measure to slow down the spread.

Saying that, considering the amount of new cases in the UK daily, opening up schools ain't the brightest idea, especially since summer holidays start in a couple of weeks. But then again Boris aint that bright so it explains why he does these stupid things, like putting in a quarantine system for incoming travellers except if you come from Ireland....

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[Infinite Chaos]

~ yet I believe that cluster**** to be only one of his motivations, even where it's most likely a major one ~

You honestly believe Johnson is capable of other motivation or thought? He's shown himself badly out of his depth so far.

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United Kingdom ..... 324
- Scotland 15
- Wales 10
- Northern Ireland 3
- England (hospital)149
+ (England carehomes) 147

= England 296

is England really ready for opening ~

It's crazy, we've done so badly and considering opening when the scientists are all advising against.

The Tory cabinet is full of slimeballs. I truly despise Cummings and his E.T shaped head, in fact I can't even look at pictures of him anymore without wanting to punch his face.

Gove is a slimeball in a sea of puss, and his backing of Cummings is vomit inducing.

I'm starting to believe all these confusing mixed messages are being done on purpose - so who gets the blame in the end. Yep us!

People are pointing their fingers at other people, when they should be aimed at BoJo.

With the scientists beginning to break ranks, it's hard to really know what the hell's going on.

Herd immunity by stealth, is this the machiavellian plan?

Cummings ain't no Machiavelli. I sometimes still read the Conservative Home website and there's some interesting discussion of Michael Gove's activities and most recent appointments at the Cabinet Office. Gove being apparently the only MP whose intellect that Cummings apparently respects. I think the schemer here is Gove, playing the long game.

Herd immunity doesn't work, not enough survivors produce enough antibodies to make immunity work.