The Truth Hurts at Penn Law

[Risky Thicket]

Why? Why must you start with racism and bigotry? What is it about you that is so pathetic and downtrodden that you just assume that anyone that has an opinion contrary to yours is an oppressor?


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So you won’t or can’t answer my questions?

 

[AlbqOwl]

Are you saying that Blacks and Whites should have the same levels of success despite the generations of slavery and Jim Crow? For generations, Black men weren't allowed to have jobs and build wealth yet you expect that the damage should just disappear within 50 years.

Then you invent a narrative about liberal indoctrination that has no basis in fact.

The reality is poverty comes with a host of problems regardless of race. Blacks are on average poorer than Whites because of a history of racism. Your theories are just ridiculous nonsense. Why would a Black person vote for a party that has people like you who blame them for the results of a racism?

Absolutely I am saying that blacks and whites should have the same level of success. It has been 153 years, that is roughly 6+ generations since slavery ended. It has been 54 years, roughly two generations, since segregation ended and the equal rights amendment passed. All other peoples including Asians who came here straight from some of the most brutal, oppressive regimes on the planet, managed to adopt and assimilate the American culture and prosper within a generation or two. I have experienced and have joyfully watched others climb out of hopelessly terrible personal situations as children/young adults and become happy, prosperous, productive citizens beyond anything their immediate ancesters could have envisioned. (And yes some of those happened to be black.)

Nobody has to be defined by their history whatever it was. We don't live there any more. But the snowflakes, do-gooders, and mostly those who use racism for political advantage and personal profit, have a stake in keeping black people believing and angry that they are disadvantaged oppressed people because 'whitey' is keeping them down. Those are every bit as insidious and mean spirited and self serving as the white supremacists. And they should be equally condemned.

 

[AlbqOwl]

:lol: Oh I see you got black people all figured out. No wonder you too believe her "observations" without question.

And I see you think you have me all figured out and have the right to assign to me something I didn't say. So do you have black people all figured out and therefore know that this woman is a white supremacist? Can you quote her in something that is not true?

 

[americanwoman]

And I see you think you have me all figured out and have the right to assign to me something I didn't say. So do you have black people all figured out and therefore know that this woman is a white supremacist?

I observe the lady as a white supremacist and I observe how you act, isn't that enough proof for you?

lol For some reasons my random observations don't hold water to you yet hers does. Wonder why?

 

[AlbqOwl]

If you really wanted to learn, read Jared Diamonds "Guns, Germs and Steel." But you don't, you just want to be racist and think you are superior.

You don't know me and you don't know what I have read. Or what I have done as a vocation and avocation. Or what I know about this subject. But your post sure is a good example of ad hominem, personal insults, and the snowflake mentality. Congratulations on mastering something and do have a nice day. I will offer some additional reading material that would be helpful if you are interested.

Muttering and wondering if it is even possible for a snowflake to focus on somebody's argument instead of attacking the person making it?

 

[KLATTU]

The Dean's statement.

"In light of Professor Wax’s statements, black students assigned to her class in their first week at Penn Law may reasonably wonder whether their professor has already come to a conclusion about their presence, performance, and potential for success in law school and thereafter. They may legitimately question whether the inaccurate and belittling statements she has made may adversely affect their learning environment and career prospects. These students may also reasonably feel an additional and unwarranted burden to perform well, so that their performance not be used or misused by their professor in public discourse about racial inequality in academic success. More broadly, this dynamic may negatively affect the classroom experience for all students regardless of race or background."

Notice he phrased it..."the inaccurate statements she has made." That could be anything
He never addresses the specific statemnt about graduating in the top half of the class, which he could easily do.
Interesting.

Interesting .

As I've famously said before, the liberal version of a ' conversation about race' means lecturing white people how racist they are.

 

[calamity]

NO! I don’t believe the solution is for black people to vote for republicans. Hell...I don’t vote republican. No...I believe the solution is the same today as it was when Malcolm X spoke it back in the 60s. To not be blind political chumps. To vote not as a bloc but for the candidate that will best serve you regardless of party. To challenge the candidates to perform or lose their support. Nothing more or less.

Was Malcolm X being racist towards black people when he said those very things?


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Things have changed a lot since the days of Malcom X. Besides, Malcom X belonged to an organization that had him assassinated---not exactly the best person to use as a reference for analyzing friends and enemies.

 

[americanwoman]

The Dean's statement.

"In light of Professor Wax’s statements, black students assigned to her class in their first week at Penn Law may reasonably wonder whether their professor has already come to a conclusion about their presence, performance, and potential for success in law school and thereafter. They may legitimately question whether the inaccurate and belittling statements she has made may adversely affect their learning environment and career prospects. These students may also reasonably feel an additional and unwarranted burden to perform well, so that their performance not be used or misused by their professor in public discourse about racial inequality in academic success. More broadly, this dynamic may negatively affect the classroom experience for all students regardless of race or background."

Notice he phrased it..."the inaccurate statements she has made." That could be anything
He never addresses the specific statemnt about graduating in the top half of the class, which he could easily do.
Interesting.

Interesting .

As I've famously said before, the liberal version of a ' conversation about race' means lecturing white people how racist they are.

Yes, very interesting you didn't post the full statement from the dean that did in fact address the specific statement about graduating in the top of class.

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2018/03/13/amy-wax-penn-law-teaching/

In the email, Ruger also addressed the substance of Wax’s claims: “It is imperative for me as dean to state that these claims are false: black students have graduated in the top of the class at Penn Law, and the Law Review does not have a diversity mandate. Rather, its editors are selected based on a competitive process. And contrary to any suggestion otherwise, black students at Penn Law are extremely successful, both inside and outside the classroom, in the job market, and in their careers.”
Read more at https://www.phillymag.com/news/2018/03/13/amy-wax-penn-law-teaching/#7XuHAR0tex3fTtFX.99

But keep crying about how you can't talk about race without being lectured. Your version of reality is funny.

 

[AlbqOwl]

I observe the lady as a white supremacist and I observe how you act, isn't that enough proof for you?

lol For some reasons my random observations don't hold water to you yet hers does. Wonder why?

Because she is making an argument. You, instead of offering a counter argument, attack her and then me. See the difference?

 

[americanwoman]

Because she is making an argument. You, instead of offering a counter argument, attack her and then me. See the difference?

She didn't make an argument, she made a statement that the Dean of the school disputed. Do you see the difference?

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Because she is making an argument. You, instead of offering a counter argument, attack her and then me. See the difference?

If you were Black student would you take a class with a professor who believes you probably won't do well? She needs you to fail to confirm her belief.

Let me change it...

Would you take a course by a professor who claims women don't do well? Do you think the professor would grade you fairly?

Now maybe you get why the dean came down against the professor.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

The Dean's statement.

"In light of Professor Wax’s statements, black students assigned to her class in their first week at Penn Law may reasonably wonder whether their professor has already come to a conclusion about their presence, performance, and potential for success in law school and thereafter. They may legitimately question whether the inaccurate and belittling statements she has made may adversely affect their learning environment and career prospects. These students may also reasonably feel an additional and unwarranted burden to perform well, so that their performance not be used or misused by their professor in public discourse about racial inequality in academic success. More broadly, this dynamic may negatively affect the classroom experience for all students regardless of race or background."

Notice he phrased it..."the inaccurate statements she has made." That could be anything
He never addresses the specific statemnt about graduating in the top half of the class, which he could easily do.
Interesting.

Interesting .

As I've famously said before, the liberal version of a ' conversation about race' means lecturing white people how racist they are.

But isn't he right? Wouldn't Black students have good reason to worry that this professor is biased against them given that failing them helps prove her point?

 

[sangha]

She didn't make an argument, she made a statement that the Dean of the school disputed. Do you see the difference?

Racists believe that racist statements are opinions, and should be considered equal to all other opinions

Even if they have to make up facts to hold those opinions

 

[KLATTU]

Yes, very interesting you didn't post the full statement from the dean that did in fact address the specific statement about graduating in the top of class.

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2018/03/13/amy-wax-penn-law-teaching/



But keep crying about how you can't talk about race without being lectured. Your version of reality is funny.

I already busted you on that one.

His statement did NOT specifically address hers. she never said NO black student shas ever graduated in the top half of the class.
He coul dhave easily sais somethinh like ' lust last year X % of black student graduate din the top half." That would have shut her down.

Dut he didn't .
Speaks volumes.

 

[Praxas]

What sort of help should people receive solely based on the pigmentation of their skin?

Why do white supremacists have a problem with people based solely on the pigmentation of their skin?

 

[Praxas]

Oh...to be sure...they haven’t declared minority day. They haven’t passed a bunch of appeasement acts. They haven’t named any streets after MLK. I suppose the only things the GOP have passed are legislation designed to help everyone have opportunities for success, not specifically targeted towards the black community. Why should they? Do you honestly believe it would matter? The black American vote has gone as a bloc for the democrat party since the late 20s. And what has it got them? https://youtu.be/XkgA2rUAY-o


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List those policies specifically, not just rhetoric.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

I already busted you on that one.

His statement did NOT specifically address hers. she never said NO black student shas ever graduated in the top half of the class.
He coul dhave easily sais somethinh like ' lust last year X % of black student graduate din the top half." That would have shut her down.

Dut he didn't .
Speaks volumes.

Should Black students feel comfortable taking a course by a professor who openly states they rarely do well?

You won't answer this question because the answer proves the dean is right.

 

[Barnacle]

Why do white supremacists have a problem with people based solely on the pigmentation of their skin?

Yeah, you're right - Hillary should definitely stop blaming white women for her failure.

 

[faithful_servant]

Accusations of racism? This lady is a white supremacist, can't you admit she is a racist?

Anyways we don't have all the facts yet which is why we can't just say one person's observations are certainly correct.

If what she is saying is wrong, then I'd lean towards her having same racism, but so far we haven't seen any hard numbers that either support or negate her assertions or teh assertions of the dean. How about instead of geting all emotional about it, we start with getting the facts out there and see who is right and who is wrong. If she is right, then there is clearly a problem that needs to be addressed and the dean is incompetent and shoudl be replaced. If shes' wrong, then she's either really stupid or racist and in either case should be replaced. Shouldn't we be basing this kind of decision on facts and not just a half-informed emotional response??

 

[Praxas]

Yeah, you're right - Hillary should definitely stop blaming white women for her failure.

I see you are having a hard time with reading comprehension today, you should take a break since I said no such thing.

I assume you are just tired and not lying like most cons do.

 

[AlbqOwl]

She didn't make an argument, she made a statement that the Dean of the school disputed. Do you see the difference?

Statement/argument. One and the same. At any rate you didn't provide your own argument to dispute the statement/argument but went right after her personally. That wouldn't earn you any points at all in a formal debate and would likely give your opponent the win no matter how good or bad his/her argument was.

 

[Barnacle]

I see you are having a hard time with reading comprehension today, you should take a break since I said no such thing.

I assume you are just tired and not lying like most cons do.

You asked: Why do white supremacists have a problem with people based solely on the pigmentation of their skin?

I pointed out that Hillary, a mega white supremacist, blamed the loss of her election on white women having voted what they were told by their men.
Very racist thing to say.

 

[Sampson Simpson]

Absolutely I am saying that blacks and whites should have the same level of success. It has been 153 years, that is roughly 6+ generations since slavery ended. It has been 54 years, roughly two generations, since segregation ended and the equal rights amendment passed. All other peoples including Asians who came here straight from some of the most brutal, oppressive regimes on the planet, managed to adopt and assimilate the American culture and prosper within a generation or two. I have experienced and have joyfully watched others climb out of hopelessly terrible personal situations as children/young adults and become happy, prosperous, productive citizens beyond anything their immediate ancesters could have envisioned. (And yes some of those happened to be black.)

Nobody has to be defined by their history whatever it was. We don't live there any more. But the snowflakes, do-gooders, and mostly those who use racism for political advantage and personal profit, have a stake in keeping black people believing and angry that they are disadvantaged oppressed people because 'whitey' is keeping them down. Those are every bit as insidious and mean spirited and self serving as the white supremacists. And they should be equally condemned.

Hysterical, using racism for political advantage and personal profit, sounds like the history of white people. And sounds exactly like Trump.

Sorry, many black people have every right to still be angry. THey are still viewed as criminals by many, they are still portrayed in media as such, they are still being killed in the streets by cops and harassed constantly, and are stuck in a cycle of poverty.

It's 2018 and racist white americans went from the first black president to such a complete POS Racist. Don't pretend there is not racism in this country, Trumps elections brought the racist out from under their rocks

And don't give me the "eh, you used racism, I win" bull**** deflection, its sad

 

[AlbqOwl]

If you were Black student would you take a class with a professor who believes you probably won't do well? She needs you to fail to confirm her belief.

Let me change it...

Would you take a course by a professor who claims women don't do well? Do you think the professor would grade you fairly?

Now maybe you get why the dean came down against the professor.

I would do my damndest to prove the professor wrong actually. I have actually been in that position. If I was graded unfairly, then I would deal with that.

But. . .she did NOT say that black students would not do well in her or any other class. She was making an observation that as a general rule, they didn't. And I saw that as a valid observation and one that should be addressed objectively and honestly. Instead the dean (and you) accused her, and then me for seeing the validity in her argument.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Hysterical, using racism for political advantage and personal profit, sounds like the history of white people. And sounds exactly like Trump.

Sorry, many black people have every right to still be angry. THey are still viewed as criminals by many, they are still portrayed in media as such, they are still being killed in the streets by cops and harassed constantly, and are stuck in a cycle of poverty.

It's 2018 and racist white americans went from the first black president to such a complete POS Racist. Don't pretend there is not racism in this country, Trumps elections brought the racist out from under their rocks

And don't give me the "eh, you used racism, I win" bull**** deflection, its sad

Okay, I'll just explain that I do my best not to feed the trolls, argue with idiots, or engage in other exercises in futility and wish you a pleasant day.