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The Truth About the Covington Catholic Story. CNN and Others Push False Story Again!

Skeptic Bob said:
I take back what I said about the kid "facing off" with the older man. I stand by what I said about the kids mocking the Native Americans with the hand chops and mock singing. To me it is like saying "Ching chong, ching chong" or making slant eyes to an Asian person. But that is typical teenage insensitivity that many of us suffered from at that age. I know I did.
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I think most of us did, when we were young and stupid.

I've asked about the tomahawk chop thing too, to no avail. What was the expected outcome from that? It was obnoxious. Was it racist? No. Ignorant as hell and asking for a fight? Possibly.

I taught my sons, who do go out in public, to not be little bastards. I've also told them to clear a path for adults, which is how I was taught. Maybe I was raised better than these kids were.

Both sides were wrong IMO.
 
apdst said:
False accusations, misidentifications and lies are your idea of "free speech"? :lamo
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You want to criminalize mistaken identity, do you?
 
tres borrachos said:
I know they have different dress codes in school. They weren't in school.
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Didn't say they were. Dress code also applies to school events and trips, so I'm assuming that they probably allowed those kids to wear those MAGA hats on the trip.

So you think the school passed out political campaign ads for Trump when they were supposed to be marching for the unborn? Never heard of a school doing that.
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No? I don't see how you got that from what I said. I'm pretty sure the school itself has nothing to do with the students wearing MAGA hats. It was most likely a group decision on the part of the students to wear the MAGA hats. They were probably just given the OK by the school to wear them. Not that the school in particular was like "We're pro-Trump!" or something like that. Now that would be odd.
 
TheGoverness said:
Didn't say they were. Dress code also applies to school events and trips, so I'm assuming that they probably allowed those kids to wear those MAGA hats on the trip.



No? I don't see how you got that from what I said. I'm pretty sure the school itself has nothing to do with the students wearing MAGA hats. It was most likely a group decision on the part of the students to wear the MAGA hats. They were probably just given the OK by the school to wear them. Not that the school in particular was like "We're pro-Trump!" or something like that. Now that would be odd.
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So you think the students wore these hats because they wanted to? You think they went out and bought them? Doubt it.

I think they were given those hats by an adult who wanted them to be controversial. I don't know but it's what I think.

I wonder where the Trump fans are who usually say that high schoolers can't make up their minds about things and they are being brainwashed by the left. Surely these young men can't be smart enough as high school juniors and below to know who they would vote for.

I'm sure these kids were allowed to wear the hats, which is why I never said, hinted or implied that they weren't.
 
tres borrachos said:
So you think the students wore these hats because they wanted to? You think they went out and bought them? Doubt it.
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Or their parents. A lot of people like getting their kids politically involved.

I think they were given those hats by an adult who wanted them to be controversial. I don't know but it's what I think.
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I guess that's possible. :shrug:

I wonder where the Trump fans are who usually say that high schoolers can't make up their minds about things and they are being brainwashed by the left. Surely these young men can't be smart enough as high school juniors and below to know who they would vote for.
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Of course not! :2razz:

I'm sure these kids were allowed to wear the hats, which is why I never said, hinted or implied that they weren't.
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Okay.
 
tres borrachos said:
I think most of us did, when we were young and stupid.

I've asked about the tomahawk chop thing too, to no avail. What was the expected outcome from that? It was obnoxious. Was it racist? No. Ignorant as hell and asking for a fight? Possibly.

I taught my sons, who do go out in public, to not be little bastards. I've also told them to clear a path for adults, which is how I was taught. Maybe I was raised better than these kids were.

Both sides were wrong IMO.
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I don't think it is racist as it doesn't indicate they believe they are superior to the Native American "race". It is racially insensitive, however, and is behavior that should be corrected. I don't think it is worthy of being a national story, though.
 
dobieg said:
You inner thoughts and ridiculous biases expose why you won't let up in trying to demonize these kids. I'm sure you've seen much, much worse by Antifa but you'll brush that aside because they're not wearing red hats. You've made perfectly clear in the past of your contempt for Trump and anyone who supports him so it's of little surprise you can't look rationally at anything without that seething anger of those who think differently than you which blinds you from looking at things objectively.
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I am not demonizing these kids. What a load of BS.

Plenty of right wing posters are trying to character assinate the native. The video on the OP is even false and misleading given the facts coming out now.

As for myself, I believe in forgiveness but that is separate from accountability.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I don't think it is racist as it doesn't indicate they believe they are superior to the Native American "race". It is racially insensitive, however, and is behavior that should be corrected. I don't think it is worthy of being a national story, though.
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Kids having no manners at all and no respect for adults is not a national story anymore.

It just shows that assholes on both sides produce asshole kids. These little MAGAs have learned disrespect from the master, Donald Trump.
 
SkyFox76 said:
Unfortunately this happens on both sides of the aisle, but it just strengthens my earlier point that the chaperones should have moved the group along rather than granting permission to knock things up a notch with school chants.
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Y'all are hell bent on blaming the folks that didn't do anything.
 
TheGoverness said:
Maybe because they were allowed to? They were going to a political rally after all.
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I thought they were marching against abortion, not going to a MAGA/Trump rally.

Lemmie do my homework before I hit this thread again. Later...
 
apdst said:
Y'all are hell bent on blaming the folks that didn't do anything.
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Do you not understand why chaperones go along on events like this? They go to play the adult role. And from all I've seen and read they failed that mission. Had they done their job they would have moved the group of boys away from horrible comments directed at them and most certainly not approved of them escalating the situation with chanting to drown out those comments. Had they acted the adult role the school wouldn't be under fire, the family of the kid in the face-off wouldn't be fighting off social media and neither would the mistaken identity family.

Simple truth: the chaperones failed to act accordingly to the given situation. Unless of course we hear they were trying to move the boys along and told them not to be the second dancer in the tango.
 
SkyFox76 said:
[bpDo you not understand why chaperones go along on events like this?[/b] They go to play the adult role. And from all I've seen and read they failed that mission. Had they done their job they would have moved the group of boys away from horrible comments directed at them and most certainly not approved of them escalating the situation with chanting to drown out those comments. Had they acted the adult role the school wouldn't be under fire, the family of the kid in the face-off wouldn't be fighting off social media and neither would the mistaken identity family.

Simple truth: the chaperones failed to act accordingly to the given situation. Unless of course we hear they were trying to move the boys along and told them not to be the second dancer in the tango.
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Irrelevant.
 
Some other students at this event have weighed in, as well as the chaperones. Here are a few snippets I find interesting. My highlighting of a few key sentences.

Students:

As we are an all-male school that loves to get hyped up (hence our cheer section's name "Colonel Crazies"), and as we have done for years prior, we decided to do some cheers to pass time. In the midst of our cheers, we were approached by a group of adults led by Nathan Phillips, with Phillips beating his drum. They forced their way into the center of our group. We initially thought this was a cultural display since he was beating along to our cheers and so we clapped to the beat. He came to stand in front of one of my classmates who stood where he was, smiling and enjoying the experience. However, after multiple minutes of Mr. Phillips beating his drum directly in the face of my friend (mere centimeters from his nose), we became confused and started wondering what was happening.
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Protestors and demonstrators approached us and antagonized us with hateful language and sickening words that left the colonels in confusion. I personally, did not know how to respond. We did not know how to respond. The footage gathered there during that event has depicted us horribly and inaccurately. I as a man of God and good morals plea to all who witness that this is not the full story. We are more than this. We do not hate. We are portrayed wrongfully, and I beg for all to hear our story. Trust me. These kids, I repeat, kids that are being persecuted for actions they did not commit is truly horrifying. I am one of those individuals. I am someone who has been called ignorant, hateful, a faggot and a school shooter just based on my appearance and certainly not the content of my character. That boy who is being scolded nation wide by people who wish hell upon us is not racist by any means of the imagination. A misconstrued grin is the mask of a boy who is confused and afraid. We as a school love our neighbors and do not segregate or disrespect anybody based on their appearance, sex, race, or religion. That boy who was approached by a drummer protesting inches from his face was scared and is petrified now I assure you.
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Chaperones:

Chaperones who were on the trip also responded, saying the students were not at fault for what took place.

"Our boys were targeted," Jill Hamlin said. "They were targeted from the get-go. Immediately, there were people running around filming and this isn't going to be a truthful depiction of what happened.

Hamlin, Jim Wilson, and Val Andreev were all chaperones on the school's annual trip to Washington D.C. to take part in the March for Life.

"I can't believe they stayed and listened to things being shouted at them," Hamlin said. "As a mother, it was horrible, horrible."

"Our boys did nothing," Jim Wilson said. "They did not attack those gentlemen. They stood there and waited for their bus."
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Jim Wilson says he stepped in.

"They were curious about those men so I got the boys and pushed them back," Wilson said. "Eventually, I could get some of them who knew me and said 'we need to get out of here.'"

The parents say the 170 or so students were standing waiting on the bus to pick them up. To pass the time, they did school cheers. At one point, a student took off his shirt. That's when Phillips began beating his drum and walking towards the students.
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So according to the first student they were confused on what was going on. The second student says they had no idea how to respond to the heckling and Sandmann was scared and is now petrified. By Sandmann's account he stood his ground until a teacher told him the bus was there.

So my question is wth weren't these chaperones doing something? It sounds like Wilson was the only one to step in and only the students who knew him paid attention. Hamlin sounds like she's clueless she was there to keep these boys out of harms way and in line. As a mother if her kid is being called derogatory names would she just stand there and not do something? Instead she expects her kid to know what to do? Out of the three that witnessed this couldn't one of them have gone up and walked Sandmann away from the stare down? And what's up with the student taking off his shirt?

This whole thing could have been avoided with competent chaperones doing what they were suppose to do. Keep the students safe. I don't know if there were more than three for approx 170 male students but I sure hope so. It's a big world out there and these boys were ill prepared for what they faced and the adults had no control.

You can read the full letters/comments here:

https://local12.com/news/local/covi...-to-incident-involving-native-americans-in-dc
 
apdst said:
Irrelevant.
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How is it irrelevant? Chaperones are the adults, not the kids. It's silly to expect kids from an area in Kentucky would be street wise to what they faced and the adults should have stepped up. They didn't.
 
SkyFox76 said:
How is it irrelevant? Chaperones are the adults, not the kids. It's silly to expect kids from an area in Kentucky would be street wise to what they faced and the adults should have stepped up. They didn't.
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The chaperones can't control the Hebrews, nor the Indians actions. Those two groups bear 100% of the blame.
 
apdst said:
The chaperones can't control the Hebrews, nor the Indians actions. Those two groups bear 100% of the blame.
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The chaperones didn't need to control either of those groups. That wasn't their job. Their job was to protect the students. They failed.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Maybe in your shrinking Trumpian world giving the "Tomahawk chop" to a Native American is acceptable behavior, but not for the majority of Americans.

Native American elder Nathan Phillips, in his own words
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Philips has proven he can't be trusted. "His own words" change with every interview and the videos of his actions clearly demonstrate he is not being truthful.

Again .... amazingly there is nearly limitless videos showing these kids behaving in a very adult manner and controlling themselves and no one else doing the same. In those videos, several racial slurs are slung at them and Philips tries to intimidate a young man for at least 4 or 5 minutes.

Somehow, there is absolutely ZERO video showing the kids doing the things they are accused of. No video of them calling for a wall to be built or saying anything, much less racial slurs.

Anything quoting Philips is to be disregarded at this point.
 
The kid is just impressed about the sound of the beating drum.
 
SkyFox76 said:
The chaperones didn't need to control either of those groups. That wasn't their job. Their job was to protect the students. They failed.
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The chaperones didn't need to force the kids to run away, either.

Trying to place the blame on the kids is lame and dishonest to the max.
 
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