The Trump "No Answer" on Russian Associations during 01/11/2017 Press Conference

[Thoreau72]

Wrong again. It's the great misconception of amateurs to miss the comprehensive imperative of truth in the intelligence profession.

Well I suppose that "misconception" you see is the natural result of so many years and incidents of things like Iran-Contra and Ol' Colin at the UN. :lol:

 

[Jack Hays]

Well I suppose that "misconception" you see is the natural result of so many years and incidents of things like Iran-Contra and Ol' Colin at the UN. :lol:

Iran-Contra was primarily an example of what happens when the amateurs (like Ollie North) try to run their own operations.

Colin Powell at the UN was the result of error, not dishonesty.

 

[jet57]

Wrong again. It's the great misconception of amateurs to miss the comprehensive imperative of truth in the intelligence profession.

Uh, what exactly makes you a professional with respect to intelligence truths?

 

[Jack Hays]

Uh, what exactly makes you a professional with respect to intelligence truths?

Thirty-four years of professional experience.

 

[Thoreau72]

Iran-Contra was primarily an example of what happens when the amateurs (like Ollie North) try to run their own operations.

Colin Powell at the UN was the result of error, not dishonesty.

Ah, your rose-colored glasses are very high quality Jack.

Sorry, I must disagree. When I was in the US Army in 1970 many if not all knew very well that Air America was in the dope business, just as was portrayed in several movies years later.

Iran-Contra happened because the number of rogue agents in the CIA might exceed the number of straight-shooters in the Agency.

And did you know that on the same Friday that the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke in the media, very quietly in another room the Agency held a press conference after many months of investigations into the discoveries made by the journalist Gary Webb when writing for the San Jose Mercury-News. It turns out, according to the Agency, Mr. Webb's findings were spot on.

But please Jack, don't take off those glasses. You would not be the same without them. :mrgreen:

 

[jet57]

Thirty-four years of professional experience.

Professional experience at what?

 

[Jack Hays]

Ah, your rose-colored glasses are very high quality Jack.

Sorry, I must disagree. When I was in the US Army in 1970 many if not all knew very well that Air America was in the dope business, just as was portrayed in several movies years later.

Iran-Contra happened because the number of rogue agents in the CIA might exceed the number of straight-shooters in the Agency.

And did you know that on the same Friday that the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke in the media, very quietly in another room the Agency held a press conference after many months of investigations into the discoveries made by the journalist Gary Webb when writing for the San Jose Mercury-News. It turns out, according to the Agency, Mr. Webb's findings were spot on.

But please Jack, don't take off those glasses. You would not be the same without them. :mrgreen:

Your claims are all false. Not a shred of evidence has ever been produced to substantiate the lie about Air America.
There are no "rogue agents" in the CIA.
Webb's claims were false, and were retracted because they were false.

 

[Jack Hays]

Professional experience at what?

As a professional intelligence officer.

 

[Thoreau72]

Your claims are all false. Not a shred of evidence has ever been produced to substantiate the lie about Air America.
There are no "rogue agents" in the CIA.
Webb's claims were false, and were retracted because they were false.

No they're not Jack, they are just very inconvenient for you to understand. I knew about the antics and practices of Air America because a good friend of mine worked for them.

Webb's claims were spot on, and the Agency admitted it. You should see the movie "Kill The Messenger" with Sean Penn to inform yourself about that chapter in the Agency's history, but you don't dare. eace

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

I have to say I am stunned! :shock:

When asked and then further pressed at the end of his national press conference, President-elect Donald J. Trump refused to answer the direct question as to whether or not he or anyone directly connected to him or if anyone from his campaign had any association with Russian intelligence. Trump went on a long rant (once again) about how Russia, China, Japan, Mexico and all other nations would respect America once he became President, but on the question of Russian intelligence associations itself, he outright refused to answer the question even when further pressed after his press conference but before leaving the conference area.

No "no comment", no "I don't know, but I'll look into it"...nothing. He just walked off the stage and refused to answer.

To me, that rebuff/non-answer is more disturbing than the contents of any domestic intelligence report whether compiled by our federal intelligence agencies or some private investigative/consulting firm.

You are kidding, right? He spent a big part of it lambasting cnn and buzz feed over this bull****.

Trump On Russian Hacking: 'I Think It Was Russia,' But 'Could Have Been Others' : NPR


#fakenews #russiaphobes







You guys are losing it.

 

[Jack Hays]

No they're not Jack, they are just very inconvenient for you to understand. I knew about the antics and practices of Air America because a good friend of mine worked for them.

Webb's claims were spot on, and the Agency admitted it. You should see the movie "Kill The Messenger" with Sean Penn to inform yourself about that chapter in the Agency's history, but you don't dare. eace

Sean Penn's movie is dishonest fiction. And no, the Agency never admitted any such thing. As for Air America, your friend was full of ignorant BS.

 

[jet57]

As a professional intelligence officer.

Whaaat does THAT mean?

 

[Jack Hays]

Whaaat does THAT mean?

PM for you.

 

[Objective Voice]

You are kidding, right? He spent a big part of it lambasting cnn and buzz feed over this bull****.

Trump On Russian Hacking: 'I Think It Was Russia,' But 'Could Have Been Others' : NPR


#fakenews #russiaphobes







You guys are losing it.

Did you even bother to read what I posted?

My comment had nothing to do with whether or not what BuzzFeed or CNN reported or whether or not what they reported was true or false. My comment was strictly about Trump's non-answer to the question put to him about his, his family's and/or his business associate's contacts with Russia prior to and during the election.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Did you even bother to read what I posted?

My comment had nothing to do with whether or not what BuzzFeed or CNN reported or whether or not what they reported was true or false. My comment was strictly about Trump's non-answer to the question put to him about his, his family's and/or his business associate's contacts with Russia prior to and during the election.

already answered.

 

[Objective Voice]

already answered.

I strongly disagree. The question that was posed to him was:

Can you stand here today once and for all and say that no one connected to you or your campaign had any contact with Russia leading up to and during the presidential campaign...?

The questions he answered during his press conference were all related to Russian hacking, the allegations made from the BuzzFeed dossier and how he would step away from the management of and future profiteering from his parent company, Trump Organization, its subsidiaries (i.e., Trump Marks) and his other securities, real estate and property investments. The question of his, his family's, his business associates or members from his campaign and their contact and/or connections to Russian officials were never brought up until the above question was asked at the end of the press conference.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

I strongly disagree. The question that was posed to him was:



The questions he answered during his press conference were all related to Russian hacking, the allegations made from the BuzzFeed dossier and how he would step away from the management of and future profiteering from his parent company, Trump Organization, its subsidiaries (i.e., Trump Marks) and his other securities, real estate and property investments. The question of his, his family's, his business associates or members from his campaign and their contact and/or connections to Russian officials were never brought up until the above question was asked at the end of the press conference.

you and all the other conspiracy sites are all about this.... Don't you realize your ilk have moved on to hoping he and pence are killed before noon tomorrow?


Where is the evidence?

 

[Objective Voice]

you and all the other conspiracy sites are all about this.... Don't you realize your ilk have moved on to hoping he and pence are killed before noon tomorrow?


Where is the evidence?

In other words, you've had a chance to re-think what I actually posted and instead of addressing the point directly you've decided to deflect.

The evidence is all over the Internet.

Try reading the following articles for example:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/08/world/europe/carter-page-donald-trump-moscow-russia.html?_r=0

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-s-inte...ween-trump-adviser-and-kremlin-175046002.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-s-inte...ween-trump-adviser-and-kremlin-175046002.html

And that's only on one person who was a part of his campaign staff as an adviser. Michael Flynn was also mentioned, but I give him the benefit of the doubt because some of his travels to Russia were done as part of his official military duties. I'm still reviewing the dossier. Maybe something more will come to light as I continue reading. But it's clear Trump wasn't prepared to answer that question.

Thanks....:2wave:

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

In other words, you've had a chance to re-think what I actually posted and instead of addressing the point directly you've decided to deflect.

The evidence is all over the Internet.

Try reading the following articles for example:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/08/world/europe/carter-page-donald-trump-moscow-russia.html?_r=0

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-s-inte...ween-trump-adviser-and-kremlin-175046002.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-s-inte...ween-trump-adviser-and-kremlin-175046002.html

And that's only on one person who was a part of his campaign staff as an adviser. Michael Flynn was also mentioned, but I give him the benefit of the doubt because some of his travels to Russia were done as part of his official military duties. I'm still reviewing the dossier. Maybe something more will come to light as I continue reading. But it's clear Trump wasn't prepared to answer that question.

Thanks....:2wave:

1. NY times, I won't even waste my time on that #fakenews source.

2. they start off with "U.S. intelligence officials are seeking to determine"....


"seeking to determine"



"seeking"....
"to"...
"determine"....


Let that sink in for a moment, will ya?

 

[Objective Voice]

1. NY times, I won't even waste my time on that #fakenews source.

2. they start off with "U.S. intelligence officials are seeking to determine"....


"seeking to determine"



"seeking"....
"to"...
"determine"....


Let that sink in for a moment, will ya?

First off, it wasn't the NYTimes article that started off that way, i.e., "seeking to determine". That was the YahooNews article.

Second, I mistakenly linked to the YahooNews article twice. My bad. Here's the third article I meant to link to...

Donald Trump's Aide Carter Page Slammed America During A 'Private' Moscow Speech

Third, it's interesting that you'd pick out what you consider to be the most liberal news source and attempt to denounce it ("attempted" because you quoted the wrong source), but you don't deny that Carter Page has questionable Russian connections.

Very interesting indeed.