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The Stupidity of AR-15 Bans

LowDown said:
Banning AR-15s will do almost absolutely nothing aside from hurting law abiding owners.
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Here, let me fix that for you.
 
vegas giants said:
Needs to be federal
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The only thing that arguably needs to be federal is a law making it illegal to sell directly to residents of other states.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
At the very least, citizens should be able to legally own any weaponry available to local police departments, up to and including armored vehicles.
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This is a common sense, bright line position that I support. My only reservation is I don't see area weapons-like tear gas dispensers designed to deal with rioting crowds or vehicles that have fire style hoses for dispersion of rioters need be covered.
 
Tlrmln said:
The only thing that arguably needs to be federal is a law making it illegal to sell directly to residents of other states.
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Federal law

A citizens of state A cannot buy a handgun from either a dealer or a private citizen in another state

A citizen of state A can buy a long arm in an adjacent state from a licensed dealer

No citizen of any state can sell or buy a firearm to or from a private citizen from another state.
 
TurtleDude said:
No citizen of any state can sell or buy a firearm to or from a private citizen from another state.
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Knowingly. And there's no requirement for the seller to even check. See 18 U.S.Code §  922(a)(5) ("It shall be unlawful ... for any person ... to transfer, sell, trade, give, transport, or deliver any firearm to any person ... who the transferor knows or has reasonable cause to believe does not reside in ... the State in which the transferor resides)(emphasis added).
 
Tlrmln said:
Knowingly. And there's no requirement for the seller to even check. See 18 U.S.Code §  922(a)(5) ("It shall be unlawful ... for any person ... to transfer, sell, trade, give, transport, or deliver any firearm to any person ... who the transferor knows or has reasonable cause to believe does not reside in ... the State in which the transferor resides)(emphasis added).
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of course. and few criminals get firearms that way. when a criminal doesn't steal a gun, he almost always gets it from someone know knows he's a mope
 
Tlrmln said:
The only thing that arguably needs to be federal is a law making it illegal to sell directly to residents of other states.
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Nah we can do.much better than that
 
Tlrmln said:
Why? Are you afraid that, after it's proven not to do anything, you won't have anyone else to blame?
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I just think it will work better nationwide. Shouldn't we do what works?
 
vegas giants said:
We should focus gun control on handguns.


Welcome aboard
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Stop and frisk was a very effective policy in New York City that was anti-handgun in practice. But we all know how that went.

In Chicago the politicians are in bed with the gangs, so I don't think we can foresee a political solution there.
 
LowDown said:
Stop and frisk was a very effective policy in New York City that was anti-handgun in practice. But we all know how that went.

In Chicago the politicians are in bed with the gangs, so I don't think we can foresee a political solution there.
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NYC currently has very low crime.


Thanks to gun control
 
TurtleDude said:
A citizens of state A cannot buy a handgun from either a dealer or a private citizen in another state
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They can, and people do it all the time. They just have to have it transferred to an FFL dealer in their home state where they go to pick it up.
 
Tlrmln said:
Do it in your own state. No need to impose your bad ideas on the whole country.
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It wouldn't fly in Nevada. Maybe he could live in California which is right next door.
 
Tlrmln said:
Why? Are you afraid that, after it's proven not to do anything, you won't have anyone else to blame?
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Nationwide gun control, at least the kind he's advocating, would never fly in states such as Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Arizona, New Hampshire, Wyoming, Montana, and many others.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Nationwide gun control, at least the kind he's advocating, would never fly in states such as Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Arizona, New Hampshire, Wyoming, Montana, and many others.
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Opinion noted and dismissed
 
DebateChallenge said:
They can, and people do it all the time. They just have to have it transferred to an FFL dealer in their home state where they go to pick it up.
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that is because the FFL dealer is legally the seller in that case.
 
vegas giants said:
I just think it will work better nationwide. Shouldn't we do what works?
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What makes you think it would work better nationwide? I don't think it would. I think "better" is in the eye of the beholder, and it's better for more beholders to have more options.
 
DebateChallenge said:
It wouldn't fly in Nevada. Maybe he could live in California which is right next door.
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That's the beauty of doing it state-by-state. Don't like the law in Nevada, then go live in CA, and visa versa.
 
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