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The Serena and McEnroe Kerfuffle

Well...to be fair, I believe anyone thinking this through would agree that there is no argument. What we have though is PC run amok, which is clouding the judgement of many. :)
Its remarkable, yet so predictable, that its even an issue. What he said was ver complimentary of Serena. I dont know that she is the Greatest of All Time in womens tennis...but she is definitely a rock star. In womens tennis.
 
Mc is humping yet another 'autobiography'. don't know how and why someone wold write TWO autos, but he did. Best way to hump a book is to say controversial things and get your face in front of the cameras.

Mc did both. His book will be on the NYT best seller list by next week.

BTW if I remember correctly Serena herself said something similar years ago. She didn't put a number on it, but still she said basically the same thing.

I guess the number is the controversy. lol
 
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I'm sure even Serena would admit she ain't going to beat the Top 5 Men's Tennis players ... but maybe 7 or 8 could have a problem :2razz:

I doubt it considering the rank of the man she already lost too.
 
Probably. Roger beat that Groth guy.


Reminds me of something about Serena. I always got the impression when watching Serena play with the women that it was like watching a seventeen year old boy play a ten year old boy. It just wasn't a fair match due to the physical strength of the opponents.
 
It's really not even close. Her serve is ranked 4th at 128 mph. Comparable male is 156. The fastest guy serve is 163; women, 131.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fastest_recorded_tennis_serves

Men are also taller with longer arms and faster acceleration. It's not even close.

Three things, speed, upper body strength and stamina men have as an advantage over women.

Just wait till a transgender M to F joins the women's circuit.
 


Start at the 5 minute mark...

end of discussion.
 
Already happened.

Figures. That crap is ruining sports for me. They just need to get their own league already.

This whole transgender thing is really making me hate doctors more than I already do. It's completely unacceptable for doctors to put a burden on society like that.
 
Reminds me of something about Serena. I always got the impression when watching Serena play with the women that it was like watching a seventeen year old boy play a ten year old boy. It just wasn't a fair match due to the physical strength of the opponents.

Well, to be fair, watching Federer play just about anyone over the past 10 years has been kind of like that, except instead of power he does it with speed and racket control. But, it's still a total mismatch.
 
Well, to be fair, watching Federer play just about anyone over the past 10 years has been kind of like that, except instead of power he does it with speed and racket control. But, it's still a total mismatch.

Yes, but there is a difference between destroying everyone because you have greater skill and beating everyone because your physical strength is much higher. I would rather watch a skilled player destroy people with superior skill than watch someone destroy people with nothing but power.
 
Yes, but there is a difference between destroying everyone because you have greater skill and beating everyone because your physical strength is much higher. I would rather watch a skilled player destroy people with superior skill than watch someone destroy people with nothing but power.

Not really. Winning is winning.
 
Not really. Winning is winning.

It matters, sorry. As a fan I only ever watched because I wanted to see the skill of the players and good points. You just don't get that when one of the people on the court can't handle the power they are getting.
 
It matters, sorry. As a fan I only ever watched because I wanted to see the skill of the players and good points. You just don't get that when one of the people on the court can't handle the power they are getting.

That's just silly. If someone brings so much power to the game that the rest of the field is left high and dry, they deserve to win just like someone who has finesse and skill or too much speed. It is what it is. Besides, as we see with Federer, he beats power guys all the time.
 
That's just silly. If someone brings so much power to the game that the rest of the field is left high and dry, they deserve to win just like someone who has finesse and skill or too much speed. It is what it is. Besides, as we see with Federer, he beats power guys all the time.

That's because he can handle the power. It's not silly to have some kind of balance in sports to allow for fair competition. If you honestly don't believe in that princple then why not just allow women into the male league? None of them would win, but hey, according to your logic that doesn't matter. If you want your sport to be entertaining then it needs to be competitive, period.
 
That's because he can handle the power. It's not silly to have some kind of balance in sports to allow for fair competition. If you honestly don't believe in that princple then why not just allow women into the male league? None of them would win, but hey, according to your logic that doesn't matter. If you want your sport to be entertaining then it needs to be competitive, period.

Tennis usually is not very competitive at the top level. There is always someone head and shoulders above the rest. The last time it was competitive was when Ivan Lendl and Boris Becker were both at their peak at the same time.

And, even there, Lendl was probably already post-prime by the time Boris came along, since Ivan is 7 years older. The only reason they played tight in direct competition is because Boris showed up at age 17.

I take those final sentences back: I forgot about Nadal. Nadal is Federer's baine.
 
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I lost respect for female tennis years ago when they demanded and got the same financial compensation that men get.....for far less work.
 
The closest thing I can use as a reference is soccer. I was a decent soccer player when younger. Not professional or anything, but I did ok. I played against men on the U.S. national team and from other national teams. After playing against a kid on the German under 21 national team, I knew soccer wasn't in my professional future. I couldn't keep up with the guy and his skill-set was ridiculous. The gap between me and U.S. national youth players was much smaller and I didn't consider myself terribly over-matched, but when I went up against them, it was 90 minutes of intensity and letting down for a second would result in having my ass handed to me.

However, when I watched women play, I could demonstrably tell the difference. The speed, strength and skill was noticeably different. The U.S. women's national soccer team would most likely get beat against most Division 1 men's soccer teams (maybe most division II teams as well). Badly. My amateur club teams back when I was 17-18 could have competed against women's pro teams. Probably would have lost some and won some. In sports, you simply cannot substitute for speed and strength. I'd imagine that this is just as true in tennis as any other sport. Serena is an outstanding tennis player and among the best females to have ever played, but she would not be competitive in the men's circuit.

In fact, there was a women who played in the boys soccer league for several seasons. She was really good. However, she had to stop at a certain point because she was getting the hell beat out of her. She held up fine against 13 and 14 year old boys. Once those boys started developing and were 16-17, she had to switch leagues.
 
The closest thing I can use as a reference is soccer. I was a decent soccer player when younger. Not professional or anything, but I did ok. I played against men on the U.S. national team and from other national teams. After playing against a kid on the German under 21 national team, I knew soccer wasn't in my professional future. I couldn't keep up with the guy and his skill-set was ridiculous. The gap between me and U.S. national youth players was much smaller and I didn't consider myself terribly over-matched, but when I went up against them, it was 90 minutes of intensity and letting down for a second would result in having my ass handed to me.

However, when I watched women play, I could demonstrably tell the difference. The speed, strength and skill was noticeably different. The U.S. women's national soccer team would most likely get beat against most Division 1 men's soccer teams (maybe most division II teams as well). Badly. My amateur club teams back when I was 17-18 could have competed against women's pro teams. Probably would have lost some and won some. In sports, you simply cannot substitute for speed and strength. I'd imagine that this is just as true in tennis as any other sport. Serena is an outstanding tennis player and among the best females to have ever played, but she would not be competitive in the men's circuit.

In fact, there was a women who played in the boys soccer league for several seasons. She was really good. However, she had to stop at a certain point because she was getting the hell beat out of her. She held up fine against 13 and 14 year old boys. Once those boys started developing and were 16-17, she had to switch leagues.

Check this out.

The No. 5 Women?s Soccer Team In The World Got OBLITERATED By A Boys Under-15 Squad

According to the FIFA World Women’s Rankings, the Australia Matildas are the fifth best team in international women’s soccer...

By boys U15 team, I mean the Newcastle Jets under-15 side, and by drubbing…I mean they lost 7-0. SEVEN TO ZERO. Versus kids barely on the verge of high school. Oh, and then they tried to make excuses about it, too.
 
lol...I forgot about that too.




Best of 3 instead of 5 sets.

Isn't women's tennis less popular than them men's? Surely that is a great reason to pay women less. Not that we need one, because since the womens matches are so much shorter they are worth less because fewer commercials can be used to pay for them.

But no, women need to make as much as men, regardless of any other factors, otherwise they are being abused....we are told....and too many intellectual shrimps buy the argument.
 
Isn't women's tennis less popular than them men's? Surely that is a great reason to pay women less. Not that we need one, because since the womens matches are so much shorter they are worth less because fewer commercials can be used to pay for them.

But no, women need to make as much as men, regardless of any other factors, otherwise they are being abused....we are told....and too many intellectual shrimps buy the argument.

Not in may house ... you can get me to watch Mens Tennis ... but I checkout, I mean, watch Women's Tennis for hours.

I'm a dirty old man ...
 
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