The Rich are Robbing the Poor Blind

[calamity]

Because to the dimocrats, buying your own health insurance and other things is the gubment's responsibility and nobody else's?

Come again? In English this time, though.

 

[danielpalos]

Strawman, I have never said such a stupid thing.

even illegal immigration is not a problem when we have massive federal budget surpluses at our disposal.

 

[danielpalos]

Because to the dimocrats, buying your own health insurance and other things is the gubment's responsibility and nobody else's?

the right wing doesn't want to solve simple poverty through recourse to unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed. Persons should be able to purchase what they can, under Capitalism.

 

[Renae]

even illegal immigration is not a problem when we have massive federal budget surpluses at our disposal.

Yeah, budget surplus, thanks for showing how uneducated on the issues you are...

 

[danielpalos]

Yeah, budget surplus, thanks for showing how uneducated on the issues you are...

we have massive budget deficits, now. Who's fault is that, right wingers; Fiscal conservatism require morals or something?

 

[HumblePi]

evolution
Global warming
Eating healthy
Renewable energy
education
facts
words with three syllables

all of the above are liberal conspiracies.

Once again, conservatives would rather believe a conspiracy theory than to believe science and facts.

 

[OscarLevant]

Hmm... is your definition of robbery simply not getting a 'fair share' of what someone else earned? Why rely on government to take what is rightfully yours?

If it only were that simple. It boggles my mind that Republicans think of the economy in such simplistic terms. The rich have rigged the system and created in the thing called unearned income and a whole host of other methods whereby they can avoid paying taxes and profit massively and collectively off of exploitation of Labor of others. The rich also benefit from inflation because they can hedge like no one else can and stay not in keeping with inflation but profit from it as the poor cannot or nowhere near as much.
the government pays its bills by fiat currency creation faster than production thus the earning power of those who cannot hedge results vote and directly a transfer of wealth from the for those who can hedge which are the rich, corporations and the government. This is tge big point that Republicans fail to understand

 

[ttwtt78640]

If it only were that simple. It boggles my mind that Republicans think of the economy in such simplistic terms. The rich have rigged the system and created in the thing called unearned income and a whole host of other methods whereby they can avoid paying taxes and profit massively and collectively off of exploitation of Labor of others. The rich also benefit from inflation because they can hedge like no one else can and stay not in keeping with inflation but profit from it as the poor cannot or nowhere near as much.
the government pays its bills by fiat currency creation faster than production thus the earning power of those who cannot hedge results vote and directly a transfer of wealth from the for those who can hedge which are the rich, corporations and the government. This is tge big point that Republicans fail to understand

Yet when the demorats hold majority federal power nothing much changes.

 

[Media_Truth]

Yet when the demorats hold majority federal power nothing much changes.

And what about the so-called "fiscally responsible" Republican Party. They hold all three Legislative branches, and they can't even balance the budget. You elected them. Why don't you write them, and ask them why they can't do that?

 

[Bullseye]

And what about the so-called "fiscally responsible" Republican Party. They hold all three Legislative branches, and they can't even balance the budget. You elected them. Why don't you write them, and ask them why they can't do that?

The "deficit reductions" Obama is so proud of all claim when GOP held the House. Same with Bush and Clinton. Could be a coincidence, maybe not.

 

[Bullseye]

That used to be true. It's much less so now. A lot less companies offer insurance these days. Walmart ring any bells?? They put only a prized few employees on full time and pay benefits.

You should really check Walmart benefits.

 

[Bullseye]

If it only were that simple. It boggles my mind that Republicans think of the economy in such simplistic terms. The rich have rigged the system and created in the thing called unearned income and a whole host of other methods whereby they can avoid paying taxes and profit massively and collectively off of exploitation of Labor of others. The rich also benefit from inflation because they can hedge like no one else can and stay not in keeping with inflation but profit from it as the poor cannot or nowhere near as much.
the government pays its bills by fiat currency creation faster than production thus the earning power of those who cannot hedge results vote and directly a transfer of wealth from the for those who can hedge which are the rich, corporations and the government. This is tge big point that Republicans fail to understand

Somewhat ironic you lambast the GOP for their "simplistic" view of the economy and then launch into the classic "the rich have rigged . . ." mantra. As usual you ignore that the "rich" pay a lion's share of the total tax revenue - a far higher percentage than their share of income.

 

[ttwtt78640]

And what about the so-called "fiscally responsible" Republican Party. They hold all three Legislative branches, and they can't even balance the budget. You elected them. Why don't you write them, and ask them why they can't do that?

The federal deficit is now larger than all non-defense discretionary spending combined so federal taxes must be increased and/or all such federal spending cut. What, exactly, is the demorat plan to balance the federal budget?

 

[Slavister]

The federal deficit is now larger than all non-defense discretionary spending combined so federal taxes must be increased and/or all such federal spending cut. What, exactly, is the demorat plan to balance the federal budget?

Dem plan has been to increase taxes and they have (but not enough).
Republican plan has been to cut spending but they have not (spending has only increased).

Both are responsible because both don't seem to care about long-term stability of our system and rather give out stuff on more and more borrowed money either to middle/low class (Dems) or to the rich (Republicans).

 

[Sabre]

And what about the so-called "fiscally responsible" Republican Party. They hold all three Legislative branches, and they can't even balance the budget. You elected them. Why don't you write them, and ask them why they can't do that?

The last Republican president to have a balanced budget was Dwight Eisenhower. The only other presidents to have a balanced budget were LBJ and Clinton. Obama racked up the largest budget deficit.

 

[Media_Truth]

The last Republican president to have a balanced budget was Dwight Eisenhower. The only other presidents to have a balanced budget were LBJ and Clinton. Obama racked up the largest budget deficit.

Wrong. Obama reduced the deficit. Here's a chart.
Notice the huge deficit in 2008, the year Obama took office. It stayed high for a while - about 2 years, to fix all the Bush messes (Wars, Banking crisis, auto industry bankruptcy, CEO corruption gone amuck). After that, it dropped substantially until 2016. Now - skyrocketing again!

 

[jeffchap]

Presidents don't pass a budget, Congress does.

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[Sabre]

Wrong. Obama reduced the deficit. Here's a chart.View attachment 67241773
Notice the huge deficit in 2008, the year Obama took office. It stayed high for a while - about 2 years, to fix all the Bush messes (Wars, Banking crisis, auto industry bankruptcy, CEO corruption gone amuck). After that, it dropped substantially until 2016. Now - skyrocketing again!

I will see your chart and raise you one chart:

And this from Paul Ryan:

the president’s budgets. In eight years, the president has never proposed a balanced budget—not once.

The promise: “If we can get on a path of sustained growth, end the war in Iraq, end some of the special interest loopholes and earmarks that have been clogging up the system, then I think we can return to a path of a balanced budget.” — Sen. Barack Obama, 12/13/2007.

The reality: It’s pretty hard to get on that path if the president won’t propose a balanced budget. Not once in eight years has President Obama done so. Not in 2009, or in 2010, or in 2011, or in 2012, or in 2013, or in 2014, or in 2015, or in 2016.

https://www.speaker.gov/press-release/real-obama-liberal-legacy-no-balanced-budgets

President Obama had the largest deficits. By the end of his final budget, FY 2017, his deficits were $6.690 trillion. Obama took office during the Great Recession. He immediately needed to spend billions to stop it. He convinced Congress to add the $787 billion economic stimulus package to Bush’s FY 2009 budget. This added $253 billion to the FY 2009 budget. The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act added another $534 billion over the rest of Obama’s terms.

And a different one:
In 2010, the Obama tax cut added $858 billion to the debt in its first two years. Obama increased defense spending, adding as much as $800 billion a year. Federal income decreased due to lower tax receipts from the 2008 financial crisis.

https://www.thebalance.com/deficit-by-president-what-budget-deficits-hide-3306151

Like all new incumbents, Obama was already starting in the hole from Bush, presidents don't control the first year’s deficit. The previous president’s federal budget is still in effect for most of that year.

 

[itsforthekids]

All throughout history, the great majority of wealth was held by the top few...I believe that it’s human nature. More than that, I believe that it is nature itself. Many groups in the animal kingdom have an alpha which has exclusive mating rights. This is explained by science as a strengthening of the entire group strategy. Why the fuss over humans behaving the same way?

 

[Media_Truth]

I will see your chart and raise you one chart:

And this from Paul Ryan:


https://www.speaker.gov/press-release/real-obama-liberal-legacy-no-balanced-budgets


https://www.thebalance.com/deficit-by-president-what-budget-deficits-hide-3306151

Like all new incumbents, Obama was already starting in the hole from Bush, presidents don't control the first year’s deficit. The previous president’s federal budget is still in effect for most of that year.

You were talking about actual deficits, not past tense budgets. Notice the "est" :lamo

 

[Sabre]

You were talking about actual deficits, not past tense budgets. Notice the "est" :lamo

Yeah, then the reality after that, which you ignored:

Just in case reading beyond the graph is difficult for you here is a repeat:

President Obama had the largest deficits. By the end of his final budget, FY 2017, his deficits were $6.690 trillion. Obama took office during the Great Recession. He immediately needed to spend billions to stop it. He convinced Congress to add the $787 billion economic stimulus package to Bush’s FY 2009 budget. This added $253 billion to the FY 2009 budget. The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act added another $534 billion over the rest of Obama’s terms.

And a different one:
In 2010, the Obama tax cut added $858 billion to the debt in its first two years. Obama increased defense spending, adding as much as $800 billion a year. Federal income decreased due to lower tax receipts from the 2008 financial crisis.

By the way, "est" is not a past tense, it stands for estimate. :lamo:lamo:lamo

 

[Media_Truth]

Yeah, then the reality after that, which you ignored:

Just in case reading beyond the graph is difficult for you here is a repeat:



By the way, "est" is not a past tense, it stands for estimate. :lamo:lamo:lamo

You must be challenged in your understanding of how to read a graph. It's nothing but partisan hackery. George Bush turns over the highest deficit in history, to Obama, along with the worst pass-on in history. After cleaning that up, Obama reduced the deficit substantially. But continue to hide your head in the sand. It's typical of Republican denial nowadays. I guess you'll also say that Trump isn't skyrocketing the deficit, soon to be over $1 Trillion? More Republican denial.

 

[Sabre]

You must be challenged in your understanding of how to read a graph. It's nothing but partisan hackery. George Bush turns over the highest deficit in history, to Obama, along with the worst pass-on in history. After cleaning that up, Obama reduced the deficit substantially. But continue to hide your head in the sand. It's typical of Republican denial nowadays. I guess you'll also say that Trump isn't skyrocketing the deficit, soon to be over $1 Trillion? More Republican denial.

I do not hide anything, I find your arrogance obnoxious and your attempt to guess what I would say foolish. Cut it anyway you want - Obama had the largest deficits, but according to you that was because of Bush, typical lib, blame in on anyone but your guy who could do no wrong. :roll:

 

[Media_Truth]

I do not hide anything, I find your arrogance obnoxious and your attempt to guess what I would say foolish. Cut it anyway you want - Obama had the largest deficits, but according to you that was because of Bush, typical lib, blame in on anyone but your guy who could do no wrong. :roll:

There's a difference between inflating the deficit and reducing the deficit. Really, really, study this graph; and then do me a favor - correlate the years of rising and falling deficits, with the president in charge. For the sake of fairness, eliminate the first year of the individual's presidency. Good luck holding onto your partisan conclusions.

 

[Aberration]

...by stealing their future.



It's really disgusting to see what this country has become.

Ryan says Republicans to target welfare, Medicare, Medicaid spending in 2018



So, while senators and their betters live to 90 and beyond, the plebes will all begin dropping dead by 60 again. That's one way to control costs. I guess.

Of course, demanding that the rich begin to pay their fair share is out of the question. They insist that getting richer is their right. And, none of the Republican politicians have the stones to deny them that...nor are they motivated to do so.

In order for it to be theft, it would mean someone has the right to the product of another’s labor. They don’t, so it’s not.