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The people that elected Donald Trump are starting to pull their support

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It has been a rough Friday morning for President Donald Trump. He fired off a pair of tweetstorms aiming his anger at investigators looking into his potential ties to Russia, the "fake news media" and, in general, the "phony Witch Hunt going on in America."
He has reason to be angry. Trump's support among Democrats and independents has long been pretty dismal—but now things are growing worse among his own party and the demographic groups that largely thrust him into the White House.
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Trump's Latest Problem: His Base And Republicans Are Fleeing The President Amid Russia Controversy
 
I don't believe in these polls. Actually I put little faith in most if not all polls simply because I can't see how sampling a thousand or so people actually reflects the totality of a society.

This is especially true as shown by the polls prior to and after the 2016 election. Yes, the polls reflected the samples collected...primarily in how people in New York and California voted; notably progressive-left majority populations.

That is the problem with polls; the collectors can skew the samples via all sorts of methods in order to project the narrative they are selling.

IMO the polls do not actually reflect how Trump's base voters feel. :shrug:

I know none of the people who voted for Trump where I live have changed their minds. I know all my friends who voted for him around the country have not changed their minds. I know my friends who voted against him have not changed their minds. Finally, the numbers discussed still seem to reflect the percentage of support leading to his election has not changed.

Not everyone in the Republican Party voted for him, and 47% of voters did not vote at all in the last election. These current poll numbers are just propaganda designed to try to convince people who continue to support him...to doubt and change their minds.

I'm not there yet. :coffeepap:

(EDIT): There is one thing I would like to add.

I agree that there are things I disagree with the President on, and I am sure that other people who voted for him also have certain issues. For example, at this point in time "Twitter" is not his friend.

However, I hesitate to raise any issues of concern because when dealing with #ResistTrump activists, giving an inch will inevitably lead to their taking a mile. To them everything his does is wrong, even when he does something they agree with (like his recent decision of the "Dreamers") they turn it into "see how Trump has betrayed you! Why do you still support him!"

I think that's the way most supporters feel. That if the Progressive-Left and their MSM allies were at all amenable to reason and rational discourse there could be things we could agree on.

But all-hate all-the-time, targeted at both Trump and his "deluded, idiot supporters?" Not a winning strategy. :no:
 
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I suspect you're correct. Many voters are unable to change their minds even faced with objective reality.
 
joG said:
Actually, it is something like 75 percent that voted for him. Crying about it now is a little disingenuous.
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I don't get it. 75% of who, and what did they do?
 
Captain Adverse said:
I don't believe in these polls. Actually I put little faith in most if not all polls simply because I can't see how sampling a thousand or so people actually reflects the totality of a society.

This is especially true as shown by the polls prior to and after the 2016 election. Yes, the polls reflected the samples collected...primarily in how people in New York and California voted; notably progressive-left majority populations.

That is the problem with polls; the collectors can skew the samples via all sorts of methods in order to project the narrative they are selling.

IMO the polls do not actually reflect how Trump's base voters feel. :shrug:

I know none of the people who voted for Trump where I live have changed their minds. I know all my friends who voted for him around the country have not changed their minds. I know my friends who voted against him have not changed their minds. Finally, the numbers discussed still seem to reflect the percentage of support leading to his election has not changed.

Not everyone in the Republican Party voted for him, and 47% of voters did not vote at all in the last election. These current poll numbers are just propaganda designed to try to convince people who continue to support him...to doubt and change their minds.

I'm not there yet. :coffeepap:
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It doesn't. Period, end of story.

The rest of your post is spot on as well. :thumbs:
 
Captain Adverse said:
I don't believe in these polls. Actually I put little faith in most if not all polls simply because I can't see how sampling a thousand or so people actually reflects the totality of a society.

This is especially true as shown by the polls prior to and after the 2016 election. Yes, the polls reflected the samples collected...primarily in how people in New York and California voted; notably progressive-left majority populations.

That is the problem with polls; the collectors can skew the samples via all sorts of methods in order to project the narrative they are selling.

IMO the polls do not actually reflect how Trump's base voters feel. :shrug:

I know none of the people who voted for Trump where I live have changed their minds. I know all my friends who voted for him around the country have not changed their minds. I know my friends who voted against him have not changed their minds. Finally, the numbers discussed still seem to reflect the percentage of support leading to his election has not changed.

Not everyone in the Republican Party voted for him, and 47% of voters did not vote at all in the last election. These current poll numbers are just propaganda designed to try to convince people who continue to support him...to doubt and change their minds.

I'm not there yet. :coffeepap:
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His core supporters will never admit that they were taken in by a con, and that's for sure. Twenty years from now, they'll still be convinced that the liberal media torpedoed his chance of making America great again.

But, there are those who mainly just voted for what the saw as the lesser of two evils, and are now re evaluating their position.

How could Trump fail to be losing support? The polls are sometimes wrong, but that one is pretty plausible, it seems to me.
 
joG said:
Actually, it is something like 75 percent that voted for him. Crying about it now is a little disingenuous.
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Please tell me you're not making the absurd claim that everyone who didn't vote for Hillary Clinton, by default, voted for Donald Trump, are you?
 
the reich wing has never been enamored with tRump
my suspicion is that many of them now view our sitting president as a vulnerable obstacle to allowing their evangelical VP to assume the nation's highest office
 
Kobie said:
Please tell me you're not making the absurd claim that everyone who didn't vote for Hillary Clinton, by default, voted for Donald Trump, are you?
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You did not realise that that is the way the decision making rules work? And liberals think of themselves as superior and sophisticated? My, my.

;)
 
countryboy said:
Do you actually expect to be taken seriously when spouting such sophomoric nonsense?
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Brought to you by a guy who posts intellectual offerings like;

"Correct. That defines the modern leftist loon."

I would be horrified to have someone of your caliber take me "seriously". Seriously.
 
Dittohead not! said:
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Trump's Latest Problem: His Base And Republicans Are Fleeing The President Amid Russia Controversy
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With all due respect, I don't believe these "Trump's base is abandoning him" articles are helpful. My concern is that by hoping it's true, it removes the impetus from Democrats for doing the one thing they're absolutely awful at: voting.

Democrats need to have the mindset that it's nonstop Defcon 60, and that only Democrats have the ability to turn things around.

The Tea Party did one thing right, and it wasn't standing around idly and waiting for Obama's approval ratings to drop.
 
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countryboy said:
Do you actually expect to be taken seriously when spouting such sophomoric nonsense?
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are you insisting that the reich wing members of the republican party were tRump advocates out of the gate?
The Stop Trump movement, also called the anti-Trump, Dump Trump, or Never Trump movement,[1] was the informal name for the effort on the part of some Republicans and other prominent conservatives to prevent front-runner and now President of the United States Donald Trump from obtaining the Republican Party presidential nomination, and, following his nomination, the presidency, for the 2016 United States presidential election. ...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Trump_movement
 
Captain Adverse said:
I don't believe in these polls. Actually I put little faith in most if not all polls simply because I can't see how sampling a thousand or so people actually reflects the totality of a society.

This is especially true as shown by the polls prior to and after the 2016 election. Yes, the polls reflected the samples collected...primarily in how people in New York and California voted; notably progressive-left majority populations.

That is the problem with polls; the collectors can skew the samples via all sorts of methods in order to project the narrative they are selling.

IMO the polls do not actually reflect how Trump's base voters feel. :shrug:

I know none of the people who voted for Trump where I live have changed their minds. I know all my friends who voted for him around the country have not changed their minds. I know my friends who voted against him have not changed their minds. Finally, the numbers discussed still seem to reflect the percentage of support leading to his election has not changed.

Not everyone in the Republican Party voted for him, and 47% of voters did not vote at all in the last election. These current poll numbers are just propaganda designed to try to convince people who continue to support him...to doubt and change their minds.

I'm not there yet. :coffeepap:

(EDIT): There is one thing I would like to add.

I agree that there are things I disagree with the President on, and I am sure that other people who voted for him also have certain issues. For example, at this point in time "Twitter" is not his friend.

However, I hesitate to raise any issues of concern because when dealing with #ResistTrump activists, giving an inch will inevitably lead to their taking a mile. To them everything his does is wrong, even when he does something they agree with (like his recent decision of the "Dreamers") they turn it into "see how Trump has betrayed you! Why do you still support him!"

I think that's the way most supporters feel. That if the Progressive-Left and their MSM allies were at all amenable to reason and rational discourse there could be things we could agree on.

But all-hate all-the-time, targeted at both Trump and his "deluded, idiot supporters?" Not a winning strategy. :no:
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Yup every week they are reporting on how Trumps supporters are abandoning him. If it was true, trumps support should at 0

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Aaaahhh.

Friday, June 16, 2017
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Fifty percent (50%) disapprove.
This is the first time the president’s overall approval rating has hit the 50% mark since late April. His approval rating has ranged from a high of 59% in late January shortly after he took office to a low of 42% in early April.
The latest figures include 31% who Strongly Approve of the way Trump is performing and 42% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -11. (see trends).

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reportsâ„¢
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Hmmm.
 
Kobie said:
Please tell me you're not making the absurd claim that everyone who didn't vote for Hillary Clinton, by default, voted for Donald Trump, are you?
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I voted for neither one of these losers. I voted in my dog for president.
 
joG said:
You did not realise that that is the way the decision making rules work? And liberals think of themselves as superior and sophisticated? My, my.

;)
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By your phenomenally stupid rationale, about 79% of the voters voted for Hillary Clinton.
 
Glowpun said:
I voted for neither one of these losers. I voted in my dog for president.
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Well maybe if your dog had not run such an inept campaign we wouldn't all be in this mess now.
 
Kobie said:
By your phenomenally stupid rationale, about 79% of the voters voted for Hillary Clinton.
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Maybe you should do a little research on this topic. But the short story is that those that do not vote are effectively accepting the winner but very much not the other way around.
 
Fenton Lum said:
Brought to you by a guy who posts intellectual offerings like;

"Correct. That defines the modern leftist loon."

I would be horrified to have someone of your caliber take me "seriously". Seriously.
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I'll admit his post made me chuckle at the irony as well.
 
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