The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.[W:409]

[Fenton]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Sure you have. You are quarreling to quarrel now.

The GOP has impeded ACA every way it can ensuring its failure, thus ensuring eventually single payer.

Absolute partisan hackery. Exactly gow did the GOP destroy the ACA ? Be specific

 

[Fenton]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Obama has plenty of "legacy" that does NOT include ObamaCare but you can continue to act ignorant ............

And its equally disastrous

 

[Critter7r]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Good on Clinton being gone.

As soon as Trump goes, America has once again a chance.

I'm sure the same was said of Obama. And look where we are.

 

[Critter7r]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

And its equally disastrous

Yes, because leaving sub-5% unemployment and 90 months of recession-free economic growth to the incoming president is such a disaster.

 

[Fenton]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Yes, because leaving sub-5% unemployment and 90 months of recession-free economic growth to the incoming president is such a disaster.

Lol....a amazing economy that had to be propped up with 8 years of FED zero interest rate policies.

That discount rate hovering around 0 for the last 8 years pretty much contradicts all the economic propaganda we've been fed.

Unfortunately, there are still too many useful idiots out there that still buy into it.

 

[Fenton]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Yes, because leaving sub-5% unemployment and 90 months of recession-free economic growth to the incoming president is such a disaster.

Lol....a amazing economy that had to be propped up with 8 years of FED zero interest rate policies.

That discount rate hovering around 0 for the last 8 years pretty much contradicts all the economic propaganda we've been fed.

Unfortunately, there are still too many useful idiots out there that still buy into it.

 

[Perotista]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

They are going after Obama care out of hatred, not logic. There wasn't a person involved in Obama care that didn't think that it wouldn't have to be adjusted like all big bills do. Generally annually. All these hate party people know that but Obama is Black so screw everyone. I realize that the prime motive is a black Obama and The people who make over $250,000.00 paying for it. Considering that's who controls the strings on these little hate party puppets.
I would just like to know why it is better that I pay for the needy healthcare with my tax dollars. Putting 21 million people back on the dole leaves one hell of a annual healthcare bill on the tax payer/ But God forbid that the poor people making over $250,000.00 a household were paying for it. All the flat heads think that the only right way is a flat tax. I would like to know what civilized country in the world does that, Give me 10 of them and I'll stop laughing about the flat tax.

There is a political reason why your annual adjustments didn't take place. The majority of Americans didn't want the ACA to begin with. Not listening to America as a whole cost the Democrats 63 house seats and 6 senate seats back in 2010. Here are the polls and you can see that basically the Democrats told America as a whole to shove it where the sun don't shine. That they knew better what was good for Americans than Americans did for themselves. Talk about either political elitism or political agenda over riding the will of the American people as a whole.

Below are the polls thanks to RCP of public opinion on the ACA when the Senate passed it in November of 2009
CNN/Opinion Research 12/2-12/3 36% for 61% Against/Oppose +25
Rasmussen Reports 11/29 - 11/29 41% for 53% Against/Oppose +12
Gallup 11/20-11/22 44% for 49% Against/Oppose +5
Ipsos/McClatchy 11/19 - 11/22 34% for 46% Against/Oppose +12
Rasmussen Reports 11/21 - 11/22 38% for 56% Against/Oppose +18
FOX News 11/17 - 11/18 35% for 51% Against/Oppose +16
PPP (D) 11/13 - 11/15 40% for 52% Against/Oppose +12

Below are the polls thanks to RCP of public opinion on the ACA when the House passed it in March of 2010
Bloomberg 3/19 - 3/22 38% for 50% Against/Oppose +12
CNN/Opinion Research 3/19 - 3/21 39% for 59% Against/Oppose +20
CBS News 3/18 - 3/21 37% for 48% Against/Oppose +11
Rasmussen Reports 3/19 - 3/20 41% for 54% Against/Oppose +13
Quinnipiac 3/16 - 3/21 36% for 54% Against/Oppose +18
Democracy Corps (D) 3/15 - 3/18 40% for 52% Against/Oppose +12
FOX News 3/16 - 3/17 35% 55% Against/Oppose +20

The Republicans saw the ACA as an albatross around the Democrats neck and tried and eventually did ride the anti ACA feelings to first control of the House, then control of the senate and finally the presidency. Prior to the introduction of Trumpcare or the AHCA, the ACA had 40% in favor, 50% opposed to it. It take a worst bill, the AHCA and the Republicans to finally get more Americans in favor of the ACA than opposed. If the AHCA goes down into defeat, watch most Americans to go back to opposing the ACA.

If anything was to be learned from history is that one party can't go it alone with healthcare. The Democrats going it alone caused them to lose power. The Republicans trying to go it alone today will suffer the same loss of power. Either both parties sit down, come up with something that works and has the backing of both parties so annual changes, adjustments, improvements can take place or history will continue to repeat itself again and again.

 

[JamesBY]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

I'm sure the same was said of Obama. And look where we are.

We ended up with two criminals. Now we are down to one criminal.

 

[JamesBY]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Lol....a amazing economy that had to be propped up with 8 years of FED zero interest rate policies.

That discount rate hovering around 0 for the last 8 years pretty much contradicts all the economic propaganda we've been fed.

Unfortunately, there are still too many useful idiots out there that still buy into it.

Fenton, you can't smooze it.

A super 90 month recess free economy with falling UE rates.

Useful tools in the pockets of banking are the only ones complaining.

 

[ThoughtEx.]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Please try and get control of your self. Your emotions are over the top. The liberal naming calling
in full force.

Remember what Bill Clinton said about Obamacare: “You’ve got this crazy system where all the sudden 25 million more people have healthcare and then the people are out there busting it, sometimes 60 hours a week, wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half,” Clinton said.

“It’s the craziest thing in the world,” he said.

It's funny how much the right despises the Clinton's, tears em down, throws them up in our faces as corrupt politicians that will do or say anything to sell their bs. And then turn around and quote them as authorities to prove a point when their evil agendas are aligned. What makes you think any liberal here gives two ****s about what Bill Clinton thinks?

 

[JamesBY]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

ACA looks great compared to the GOP bill is the problem.

 

[JamesBY]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Absolute partisan hackery. Exactly gow did the GOP destroy the ACA ? Be specific

Be specific and show us how the ACA is a failure. If you can't you are engaged in hackery.

 

[Born Free]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

They are going after Obama care out of hatred, not logic. There wasn't a person involved in Obama care that didn't think that it wouldn't have to be adjusted like all big bills do. Generally annually. All these hate party people know that but Obama is Black so screw everyone. I realize that the prime motive is a black Obama and The people who make over $250,000.00 paying for it. Considering that's who controls the strings on these little hate party puppets.
I would just like to know why it is better that I pay for the needy healthcare with my tax dollars. Putting 21 million people back on the dole leaves one hell of a annual healthcare bill on the tax payer/ But God forbid that the poor people making over $250,000.00 a household were paying for it. All the flat heads think that the only right way is a flat tax. I would like to know what civilized country in the world does that, Give me 10 of them and I'll stop laughing about the flat tax.

Yep, you got it, it's got to be because Obama is black. That's been true for every criticism Obama has received. He is the anointed one, how could he say or do anything wrong. Like you can keep your Dr and you can keep your insurance and you will save $2,000 per-household on your insurance. All true.

 

[Fenton]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Fenton, you can't smooze it.

A super 90 month recess free economy with falling UE rates.

Useful tools in the pockets of banking are the only ones complaining.

Wow, thats impressive ! Makes you wonder why didnt the Democrats run on Obama's amazing economic achievments ?

Oh I know why, they knew that even THEIR voters werent complete imbecilles and they knew they wouldnt buy it.

Sorry, but a discount rate held at near zero for Obama's entire two terms is nothing to brag about

 

[Fenton]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Be specific and show us how the ACA is a failure. If you can't you are engaged in hackery.

Your'e kidding, right ?

 

[Critter7r]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Wow, thats impressive ! Makes you wonder why didnt the Democrats run on Obama's amazing economic achievments ?

Oh I know why, they knew that even THEIR voters werent complete imbecilles and they knew they wouldnt buy it.

Sorry, but a discount rate held at near zero for Obama's entire two terms is nothing to brag about

What's the downside for the unwashed masses? Credit is cheap and inflation is low. What's not to like?

 

[WillyPete]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Absolute partisan hackery. Exactly gow did the GOP destroy the ACA ? Be specific

The GOP controlled Congress cut the funding to insurers ~2.5B in 2015 with the full knowledge that it would compel the insurers to either raise their rates or pull out of some states, which is what has happened.

If the GOP had not cut that funding, the ACA's situation would be less severe today.

Here's a link from Politico.

I'd love some more and/or better (even opposing) links.

For my own part, I wouldn't care in the slightest if the GOP had turned up with a better bill, but that appears to be a challenge.

 

[Mach]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

All I can say is, as flawed as Trump is, and as utterly spineless and inept as the GOP Congress is, thank GOD Hillary lost. Thank you Jesus. PRAISE THE LORD!!!!!

Maybe one day you'll vote someone into office to do a number of things you feel leads/betters the nation. But then, I think you'd have to improve your self to understand why that's relevant, and I don't see that happening, especially not in the country.

Until then, enjoy your focus on hating Hillary and Obama as the driving force behind your desire for the government of the U.S. So Trump can shoot someone and since that's neither Obama nor Hillary, it's OK. Just extending your position to its obvious and present conclusion.

 

[countryboy]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Maybe one day you'll vote someone into office to do a number of things you feel leads/betters the nation. But then, I think you'd have to improve your self to understand why that's relevant, and I don't see that happening, especially not in the country.

Until then, enjoy your focus on hating Hillary and Obama as the driving force behind your desire for the government of the U.S. So Trump can shoot someone and since that's neither Obama nor Hillary, it's OK. Just extending your position to its obvious and present conclusion.

Oh the irony.

 

[RetiredUSN]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

If you are a Republican with diabetes and want to repeal Obamacare, it means that you hate Obama more than you love your feet.

At least you, as a libertarian, is making an honest argument, namely, that making healthcare available to those who need it is a not a legitimate role of government and it's better to let some citizens go bankrupt and/or die if they get sick is the price of freedom. But that's not the argument the GOP is making. They're making a dishonest argument -- that after cutting hundreds of billions out of Medicaid and subsidies their plan will cover more people, make health care cheaper, protect Americans with pre-existing conditions, etc. -- which is fiction.

How about those who cannot afford to pay the premiums or deductibles to save their feet at the present?

 

[RetiredUSN]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Democrats have no right to complain after 8 years of a program that most people couldn't afford unless you were lucky enough to have other people subsidizing yours.

Aside from that, the current republicans are about as worthless as whale ****.

 

[Fenton]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

The GOP controlled Congress cut the funding to insurers ~2.5B in 2015 with the full knowledge that it would compel the insurers to either raise their rates or pull out of some states, which is what has happened.

If the GOP had not cut that funding, the ACA's situation would be less severe today.

Here's a link from Politico.

I'd love some more and/or better (even opposing) links.

For my own part, I wouldn't care in the slightest if the GOP had turned up with a better bill, but that appears to be a challenge.

Lol....Oh BS

A 2016 GOA report uncovered billions of dollars illegalky transfered to struggling insurers by the Obama administratioBS

So even with billions of dollars in illegal transfers the Insurers still had to bail out of the exchanges.

The CBO projected over 20 million on the exchanges by 2016.
Less than half that were actually buying policies through the exchanges last year.

ObamaCare was a disaster from day one.

 

[Mach]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

Oh the irony.

That's all you have? Yes, I think that was my point. Not Obama/Hillary...check.

 

[Casca XV]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

"Creeping socialism" was a war cry ninety years ago, was no more right than it is now.

When we give the alt fascist right an inch, we kill the country with every inch.

That won't be allowed to happen.

The fact that Limited Power Government is the most fundamental desire of the American Right makes it impossible for Fascism to come from that direction. Like Socialism, Fascism requires an all powerful Government just to exist.

Trump and Obama are perfect examples of American Left and Right. So far every relevant action and policy from Trump has taken has reduced the power of the Federal Government. There is not a single Obama action or policy I have ever heard of that did not result in granting Govt more power.

 

[countryboy]

Re: The level of hate that the right has for Obama, Is amazing.

That's all you have? Yes, I think that was my point. Not Obama/Hillary...check.

What else needs to be said? Any attempt at rational discussion would be a waste of my time. Libs are hypocrites. :shrug: