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The Implausible Claims of AGW Proponents

Those wanting to drive this climate change agenda are driving it with money!

Yeah... and that is exactly what the fossil-fuel industry is doing through dishonest organizations like the Heartland Institute.

And it is pretty much why people like you and Jack are so misinformed about AGW.
 
Don't recall every post?? I'm not saying you should. But you should at least have a basic understanding of what the majority of your posts are saying but you don't even have that. You literally cut and paste denialist propaganda without even knowing what it is saying. And you do it all the time and this is why you can almost never back your posts up with real and intelligent arguments.

Maybe if you stopped just blindly spamming everything you can and actually made sure you understand what you post before you post it and then actually make an effort to defend what you post you wouldn't be so ignorant of what you post.

Your claim is categorically false. I understand my posts quite well. You, on the other hand, are among the majority of orthodox AGW proponents who ignore content and default to personal attacks.
 
Your claim is categorically false. I understand my posts quite well. You, on the other hand, are among the majority of orthodox AGW proponents who ignore content and default to personal attacks.

Damn, Jack... I just proved you wrong about you not attacking Gore for profiting off of AGW.

Please... just stop lying for once in your life.
 
Damn, Jack... I just proved you wrong about you not attacking Gore for profiting off of AGW.

Please... just stop lying for once in your life.

I forgot about Gore. He's the exception. Your broader point remains categorically false.
 
I forgot about Gore. He's the exception. Your broader point remains categorically false.

You forgot about the numerous times you attacked Gore. I just came up with 3 examples when there were many more. I guess you just forgot all those other times as well.

:lamo

Just like you are wrong about not attacking climate scientists in the same manner. Yet you give a free pass to denialists who profit off of AGW.

And there are many other times I have seen you completely forget or just not understand the misinformation you regularly push around here.

Sorry, Jack... you're not going to bluster your way out of this one. You have shown your ignorance of what you post for all to see.
 
You forgot about the numerous times you attacked Gore. I just came up with 3 examples when there were many more. I guess you just forgot all those other times as well.

:lamo

Just like you are wrong about not attacking climate scientists in the same manner. Yet you give a free pass to denialists who profit off of AGW.

And there are many other times I have seen you completely forget or just not understand the misinformation you regularly push around here.

Sorry, Jack... you're not going to bluster your way out of this one. You have shown your ignorance of what you post for all to see.

No need to bluster. The factual record is on my side.
 
Yeah... and that is exactly what the fossil-fuel industry is doing through dishonest organizations like the Heartland Institute.

And it is pretty much why people like you and Jack are so misinformed about AGW.

The world governments finance at least 1,000 times (99.9%) more in grand money than the fossil fuel companies, and they still only get 97%, when they doctor the numbers.
 
The world governments finance at least 1,000 times (99.9%) more in grand money than the fossil fuel companies, and they still only get 97%, when they doctor the numbers.

Nothing but more talk without any proof.
 
No need to bluster. The factual record is on my side.

No, it isn't.

From your first post in this thread:

Climate science didn’t used to be alarmist prior to the late 1980s. Scientists were instead sufficiently skeptical about claims of climatically-induced planetary doom. That changed during the years 1988-1994, when climate research centered on CO2 and global warming received a 15-fold increase in funding in the US alone. Suddenly there was a great financial incentive to propel alarming global warming scenarios.

So... you start a thread where your first cut and paste contains an attack on climate scientists saying that they have been corrupted by money. And then when it is pointed out to you that denialists have a lot of monetary incentive to push lies and misinformation, you suddenly forget all about the criticism you and your sources have directed toward climate scientists. It is so bad that you actually forget denialist garbage you posted just days before in this very thread!!

Sorry, Jack... the factual record shows you to be very hypicritical with this double standard you have.
 
No, it isn't.

From your first post in this thread:



So... you start a thread where your first cut and paste contains an attack on climate scientists saying that they have been corrupted by money. And then when it is pointed out to you that denialists have a lot of monetary incentive to push lies and misinformation, you suddenly forget all about the criticism you and your sources have directed toward climate scientists. It is so bad that you actually forget denialist garbage you posted just days before in this very thread!!

Sorry, Jack... the factual record shows you to be very hypicritical with this double standard you have.

Grant money for the research that powers careers. Not the same thing. You missed the point.
 
Grant money for the research that powers careers. Not the same thing. You missed the point.

There was nothing in that cut and paste about careers. Now you are just lying again.
 
There was nothing in that cut and paste about careers. Now you are just lying again.

Of course there was.

Suddenly there was a great financial incentive to propel alarming global warming scenarios.
 
Of course there was.

Suddenly there was a great financial incentive to propel alarming global warming scenarios.

Whatever, jack. Why can't you just admit that you have criticized and posted criticisms of climate scientists based on monetary incentives?

You can't because then you would have to admit you have a double standard for this and give a free pass to denialists who profit from climate denialism.
 
Whatever, jack. Why can't you just admit that you have criticized and posted criticisms of climate scientists based on monetary incentives?

You can't because then you would have to admit you have a double standard for this and give a free pass to denialists who profit from climate denialism.

Because you have this quite wrong.
 
Because you have this quite wrong.

I don't have anything wrong. The fact of the matter is that you have a double standard for making money off of climate science.

If "alarmists" do it, it is bad. But if "skeptics" do it, it is perfectly o.k.
 
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I don't have anything wrong. The fact of the matter is that you have a double standard for making money off of climate science.

If "alarmists" do it, it is bad. But if "skeptics" do it, it is perfectly o.k.

With the exception of Al Gore, I have not claimed alarmists enrich themselves. They fatten their research budgets.
 

A Winning Trifecta for Climate Science and Rationality

First there was Michael Moore’s Planet of the Humans, then came Bjorn Lomborg’s False Alarm, and now Michael Schellenberger’s Apocalypse Never. All three authors sound the common theme that the hyper-green environmental activists who have captured, politicized, and monetized the concern for the environment have, as Lomborg explains, created a false climate alarm which has “costs us trillions, hurts the poor, and fails to fix the planet.”
 
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A Winning Trifecta for Climate Science and Rationality

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Remember those residence in a city of an African country that were displaced so the country could get climate change financial aide? Part of the carbon trading scam...
 
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"Bjorn Lomborg is that rare thing: a clear-sighted realist about climate change. In False Alarm, he argues that it would be foolish to do nothing to prepare for a warmer planet, but it would be more foolish to pretend that we are doing things that will significantly reduce carbon dioxide emissions when we are not.

The New York Times-bestselling "skeptical environmentalist" argues that panic over climate change is causing more harm than good


Hurricanes batter our coasts. Wildfires rage across the American West. Glaciers collapse in the Artic. Politicians, activists, and the media espouse a common message: climate change is destroying the planet, and we must take drastic action immediately to stop it. Children panic about their future, and adults wonder if it is even ethical to bring new life into the world.


Enough, argues bestselling author Bjorn Lomborg. Climate change is real, but it's not the apocalyptic threat that we've been told it is. Projections of Earth's imminent demise are based on bad science and even worse economics. In panic, world leaders have committed to wildly expensive but largely ineffective policies that hamper growth and crowd out more pressing investments in human capital, from immunization to education.


False Alarm will convince you that everything you think about climate change is wrong -- and points the way toward making the world a vastly better, if slightly warmer, place for us all.
 
Professor Richard Lindzen has again reminded us that the AGW emperor has no clothes.

[h=2]MIT’s Dr. Lindzen Pokes Fun At The ‘Naïve’, Well-Funded ‘Scientific Reasoning’ That 1 Factor – CO2 – Controls Climate[/h]By Kenneth Richard on 15. June 2020
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[h=4]In a new paper, atmospheric physicist Dr. Richard Lindzen summarizes the “implausible” claims today’s proponents of dangerous anthropogenic global warming espouse.[/h]Dr. Richard Lindzen retired several years ago, and yet his immense contribution to the atmospheric sciences lives on. His research is still cited about 600 times per year.
Lindzen recently published another scientific paper (Lindzen, 2020) in The European Physical Journal criticizing the current alarmism in climate science. Here are a few of the highlights.
1. Doubling the atmospheric CO2 concentration from 280 ppm to 560 ppm results in just a 1-2% perturbation to the Earth’s 240 W/m² energy budget. This doubled-CO2 effect has less than 1/5th of the impact that the net cloud effect has. And yet we are asked to accept the “implausible” claim that change in one variable, CO2, is predominatly responsible for altering global temperatures.
2. A causal role for CO2 “cannot be claimed” for the glacial-to-interglacial warming events because CO2 variations follow rather than lead the temperature changes in paleoclimate records and the 100 ppm total increase over thousands of years produce “about 1 W/m²” of total radiative impact.
3. Climate science didn’t used to be alarmist prior to the late 1980s. Scientists were instead sufficiently skeptical about claims of climatically-induced planetary doom. That changed during the years 1988-1994, when climate research centered on CO2 and global warming received a 15-fold increase in funding in the US alone. Suddenly there was a great financial incentive to propel alarming global warming scenarios.
4. Concepts like “polar amplification” are “imaginary”. . . .

Wonderful! Let him join the debate, present articles to Science and Scientific American to reach more people, testify before Inhofe's committee, and go to upcoming conferences.
 
Hes a hack

If you say so. He has published 243 papers and written actual academic books, while Michael Mann has published 212 papers, most of which were funded by the IPCC. His only books were grade school level propaganda type material.

Mann is the hack.
 
If you say so. He has published 243 papers and written actual academic books, while Michael Mann has published 212 papers, most of which were funded by the IPCC. His only books were grade school level propaganda type material.

Mann is the hack.

Lindzen is now retired from MIT. Other professors at the school don't much care for his work on climate change. Climate Contrarian Gets Fact-Checked by MIT Colleagues in Open Letter to Trump

Some people think Prof Lindzen was little more than a shill for the petro-chemical industry. He seemed to have a problem speaking true words. In 2007, Lindzen wrote that "his research has always been funded exclusively by the U.S. government. He receives no funding from any energy companies." Analysis of Peabody Energy documents showed that the fossil fuel company had supported Lindzen's research. A 1995 article in Harper's Magazine reported that Lindzen charged "oil and coal interests $2,500 a day for his consulting services; . . . his 1991 trip to testify before a Senate committee was paid for by Western Fuels and a speech he wrote, entitled 'Global Warming: the Origin and Nature of Alleged Scientific Consensus,' was underwritten by OPEC."

The professor may have published a lot of papers but many of them, specifically those arguing against AGW are not supported by later research.

You have proof that most of Mann's work has been funded by the IPCC
 
Lindzen is now retired from MIT. Other professors at the school don't much care for his work on climate change. Climate Contrarian Gets Fact-Checked by MIT Colleagues in Open Letter to Trump

Some people think Prof Lindzen was little more than a shill for the petro-chemical industry. He seemed to have a problem speaking true words. In 2007, Lindzen wrote that "his research has always been funded exclusively by the U.S. government. He receives no funding from any energy companies." Analysis of Peabody Energy documents showed that the fossil fuel company had supported Lindzen's research. A 1995 article in Harper's Magazine reported that Lindzen charged "oil and coal interests $2,500 a day for his consulting services; . . . his 1991 trip to testify before a Senate committee was paid for by Western Fuels and a speech he wrote, entitled 'Global Warming: the Origin and Nature of Alleged Scientific Consensus,' was underwritten by OPEC."

The professor may have published a lot of papers but many of them, specifically those arguing against AGW are not supported by later research.

You have proof that most of Mann's work has been funded by the IPCC

LOL...

And you rely on Inside Climate News... A 501(c)(3) that has a stated agenda.

Did you read his rebuttal?
 
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