The hypocritical Christianity of Huckabee

[tres borrachos]

You asked "Is this what Christianity means in this country?" which is clearly an attempt to transfer fault (lay blame?) for inappropriate behavior of one named individual to their professed religious affiliation. Why not ask "Is this what being a man means in this country?", "Is this what being conservative means in this country?" or "Is this what coming from Arkansas means in this country?".

Huckabee counts himself as being a conservative man from Arkansas as well as being Christian. Yes, even Christians (like conservative men from Arkansas) can (and do) say inappropriate nonsense on Twitter. I am not partisan (I think you really meant biased) towards or against Christians, men, conservatives or folks from Arkansas - none of which have anything to do with the fact that Huckabee tweeted inappropriate garbage.

Thank you for admitting that I asked those questions, and didn't make statements or try to pick fights.

If you had recognized that in the posts I made in this thread you wouldn't have gone off on your partisan attack.

Living proof that we can't even ask questions on this board without the hardliners on each side getting hysterical and accusatory.

 

[tecoyah]

What attempt at understanding could I expect in return?

As should have been clear in my reply I well understand the intent and content of your reply. You are dismissing the core of what I implied and instead use an insignificant portion to sideline and avoid the uncomfortable reality being placed before you...basically you are playing the part of the devout silence, with added distraction.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Thank you for admitting that I asked those questions, and didn't make statements or try to pick fights.

If you had recognized that in the posts I made in this thread you wouldn't have gone off on your partisan attack.

Living proof that we can't even ask questions on this board without the hardliners on each side getting hysterical and accusatory.

I am getting sick of your obvious attempts to deflect from what you so clearly intended. FFS, just look at your thread title The hypocritical Christianity of Huckabee - how is that not clearly stating (not "just asking a question about") this is 100% about Huckabee's religion?

 

[tres borrachos]

I am getting sick of your obvious attempts to deflect from what you so clearly intended. FFS, just look at your thread title The hypocritical Christianity of Huckabee - how is that not clearly stating (not "just asking a question about") this is 100% about Huckabee's religion?

Yes, thank you for pointing out my thread title, which clearly states that Huckabee's Christianity is hypocritical. Huckabee, by name. Not "all Christians". And my OP itself asked questions, didn't say "all Christians are (insert insult x).

So you can stop your hysterics today. I'm not interested. If you don't want to discuss the topic, then please just say so.

 

[apdst]

On Saturday, (Mike) Huckabee tweeted his delight at the news that Andrew McCabe, former deputy director of the FBI and 21-year veteran of the agency, had been fired the night before. McCabe would have been able to retire Sunday.


“Breaking Wind from CNN!” he wrote. “Andy McCabe offered deal for lying to FBI and won’t get pension but will get passage in overhead bin on United flight to Oakland to work for scofflaw mayor.”


Huckabee was referring to a dog that died this week after it was put in the overhead bin of a United Airlines flight. David Huckabee, the former governor’s son, killed a dog while working as a counselor at a Boy Scouts camp in 1998. Funny stuff, right?

More here.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-huckabee-andrew-mccabe-dead-dog-joke_us_5aad6c68e4b0c33361b0e9e9

Is this Christian behavior? Gloating like a high school bully about McCabe losing his pension, and then using the pain of a woman whose dog died on an airplane last week.

This man's daughter is the President's mouthpiece. His son was found to have tortured and killed a stray dog for kicks. He finds ghoulish humor in a career public servant losing his pension.

Is this what Christianity means in this country? This is what the Evangelicals want taught in our schools? People who say America is in bad shape because we "lost God" - this is what you want our kids to be like?

Are you religious?

 

[ttwtt78640]

Christians (and others) bash Muslims for not yelling at their terrorists and say that means they support them...what does it say about Christians that they are silent about child molestation, Porn star infidelity, lying....etc....hell they even seem to champion it. The Christian faith has been decimated by the silence of its devout in the U.S.

Hmm... you see no difference in one saying that they were killing for Allah (or performing Jihad) and in one who happens to be Christian molesting a child or having an affair? How many child molesters claimed that they were molesting for Jesus? How many adulterers claimed to be lying and cheating to please God?

 

[Mr Person]

Huckabee is such a turd.

 

[tecoyah]

Hmm... you see no difference in one saying that they were killing for Allah (or performing Jihad) and in one who happens to be Christian molesting a child or having an affair? How many child molesters claimed that they were molesting for Jesus? How many adulterers claimed to be lying and cheating to please God?

I obviously see a difference, thus my question rather than a statement. Do you note the implied similarity or are you simply here to defend Huckabee et al.

 

[X Factor]

Thank you for admitting that I asked those questions, and didn't make statements or try to pick fights.

If you had recognized that in the posts I made in this thread you wouldn't have gone off on your partisan attack.

Living proof that we can't even ask questions on this board without the hardliners on each side getting hysterical and accusatory.

You haven't really had much to say to anyone who has said something you disagree with. It is interesting to speculate about what your response would be if someone was all "yep, that's exactly what all Christians are".

 

[ttwtt78640]

I obviously see a difference, thus my question rather than a statement. Do you note the implied similarity or are you simply here to defend Huckabee et al.

I think that the answer is obvious. Child molesters are frequently reported by their religious peers without fear of retribution. Adulterers not so much to be sure, but adultery, at least in Texas, is not a crime.

 

[Mach]

I suppose we've all seen this picture Jim Carrey painted?

Funny thing is, he doesn't say it's sanders, so anyone thinking it is sanders would need to provide evidence and "prove" it, otherwise it's fake news and it's just a random portrait with a random caption.

 

[tecoyah]

I think that the answer is obvious. Child molesters are frequently reported by their religious peers without fear of retribution. Adulterers not so much to be sure, but adultery, at least in Texas, is not a crime.

Okay....defending. Do you AGREE with him and his stance as a prominent Christian?

 

[tecoyah]

I suppose we've all seen this picture Jim Carrey painted?

Funny thing is, he doesn't say it's sanders, so anyone thinking it is sanders would need to provide evidence and "prove" it, otherwise it's fake news and it's just a random portrait with a random caption.

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When proof of the obvious is requested, especially when said proof is difficult to obtain it is usually an attempt at avoiding the entire subject. Please tell us all who YOU think it was meant to be?

 

[ttwtt78640]

Okay....defending. Do you AGREE with him and his stance as a prominent Christian?

Nope, I have stated that the tweet was inappropriate garbage. What I am disagreeing with is that Christianity played any part in Huckabee's decision to be a jerk.

 

[Risky Thicket]

I agree, he doesn't represent Christians. But then again, he claims to. I know this from his unsuccessful bid for the Presidency in New Hampshire. He preaches Christian behavior, and bringing Christianity back to schools (as I've seen others say we need to do as well). Therefore, since he puts himself out there as a Christian leader, his behavior deserves scrutiny.

Right before he declared his candidacy in 2015 he said this:


Mike Huckabee addressed the Iowa Faith and Freedom Coalition in Waukee. “We are criminalizing Christianity in this country,” Huckabee declared. “We cannot stand by silently.” The Southern Baptist minister, former governor of Arkansas and Fox News host went on to sympathize with those who are “scorned” or “mocked” for what they believe and suggested that they might be jailed. “That's the fear that we better face,” he concluded.

Mike Huckabee's rhetoric of religious victimization

It would be grand if most Christians would rise publicly and say, "Mike, Christians do not behave like you. Stop trying to excuse your obnoxious, bigoted and boorish behavior by trying to hide it under Christianity. Please sit down and shut the **** up."

 

[tres borrachos]

It would be grand if most Christians would rise publicly and say, "Mike, Christians do not behave like you. Stop trying to excuse your obnoxious, bigoted and boorish behavior by trying to hide it under Christianity. Please sit down and shut the **** up."

I've been waiting for that to happen publicly, from other prominent Christians in politics.

 

[Mach]

When proof of the obvious is requested, especially when said proof is difficult to obtain it is usually an attempt at avoiding the entire subject. Please tell us all who YOU think it was meant to be?

So you have no proof? Fake news.

Russia didn't hack the DNC either, it's only 98% certainty on that. So it's not proven.
Russia also didn't assassinate anyone, it's not proven.
Hell, unless you build a time machine, you cannot prove young earth either.

Maybe you think those arguments are absurd, and yet they are used every day by many people on these forums.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Okay....defending. Do you AGREE with him and his stance as a prominent Christian?

Who determined Mike Huckabee to be prominent Christian?

 

[tecoyah]

Who determined Mike Huckabee to be prominent Christian?

He did and no one says otherwise. Perhaps it is time someone of prominence does so because unless they do he is correct.

 

[tres borrachos]

Who determined Mike Huckabee to be prominent Christian?

Huckabee himself. For decades.

 

[americanwoman]

"The best way is to say that as a Christian for me the essence of Christian faith is that you treat others as if you wish to be treated. "

"[FONT=&quot]We ought to be people of compassion. And being people of compassion means we deny ourselves, and our self centeredness."[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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-Mike Huckabee

He obviously does not practice what he preaches. Unless making dead dog jokes is compassionate to him?

 

[Risky Thicket]

I've been waiting for that to happen publicly, from other prominent Christians in politics.

I believe it is happening more frequently lately but it isn't getting much press. Billy Graham's granddaughter, I forget her name, recently publicly disagreed with Billy Graham on a number of things and also was less than supportive of her nutcase uncle Franklin Graham and his bullheaded and abrasive style. It was refreshing to read.

Several months ago the Mormon Church wrote an official letter to Trump and essentially implored him to stop the bullying, sexism and bigotry. I don't believe they ever received a response.

Less than a year ago the Southern Baptist Convention passed a resolution to renounce the alt-right. I don't believe there was much about it in the national media. I know about it because the SBC was held in Phoenix. Our local paper covered the convention.

"We are saying that white supremacy and racist ideologies are dangerous because they oppress our brothers and sisters in Christ," said the Rev. Russell Moore, who leads the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, the Southern Baptist public policy arm. "If we're a Jesus people, let's stand where Jesus stands."

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Debate also underscored ongoing tensions among Southern Baptists whether Donald Trump, a thrice-married casino and real estate mogul, was morally fit to be president.

The worse Trump becomes the more it seems evangelicals openly withdraw their support for him. It isn't a big movement yet, however, though it seems to be growing.

All in all Christianity seems to be struggling through a massive identity crisis. If they don't know who they are there's no way they can expect the rest of us to figure it out. At least some are trying.

I'm not a Christian and my children are grown. If, however, I were still a Christian and my children were young I'd have a real problem with a denomination that supported Trump. There is nothing, not-one-thing, about Trump that I'd want my children to emulate. Trump is a horrible human being. People such as Huckabee who claim their devotion to Jesus and to Trump certainly have the right to do that. There is no way in my opinion that my church would be worthy of its commitment to follow Christ if it didn't denounce religious schizophrenics, nutters, charlatans like Huckabee.

Just another reason that I left Christianity and didn't look back.

 

[tres borrachos]

I believe it is happening more frequently lately but it isn't getting much press. Billy Graham's granddaughter, I forget her name, recently publicly disagreed with Billy Graham on a number of things and also was less than supportive of her nutcase uncle Franklin Graham and his bullheaded and abrasive style. It was refreshing to read.

Several months ago the Mormon Church wrote an official letter to Trump and essentially implored him to stop the bullying, sexism and bigotry. I don't believe they ever received a response.

Less than a year ago the Southern Baptist Convention passed a resolution to renounce the alt-right. I don't believe there was much about it in the national media. I know about it because the SBC was held in Phoenix. Our local paper covered the convention.



The worse Trump becomes the more it seems evangelicals openly withdraw their support for him. It isn't a big movement yet, however, though it seems to be growing.

All in all Christianity seems to be struggling through a massive identity crisis. If they don't know who they are there's no way they can expect the rest of us to figure it out. At least some are trying.

I'm not a Christian and my children are grown. If, however, I were still a Christian and my children were young I'd have a real problem with a denomination that supported Trump. There is nothing, not-one-thing, about Trump that I'd want my children to emulate. Trump is a horrible human being. People such as Huckabee who claim their devotion to Jesus and to Trump certainly have the right to do that. There is no way in my opinion that my church would be worthy of its commitment to follow Christ if it didn't denounce religious schizophrenics, nutters, charlatans like Huckabee.

Just another reason that I left Christianity and didn't look back.

Well said. You and I are in sync here.

When I hear that the Christian right has come out to condemn Huckabee, I'll respect them. Especially the Republicans in Congress. There is no place in decent society for this kind of nonsense - but then again, it doesn't seem that we have a decent society any more.

 

[tres borrachos]

"The best way is to say that as a Christian for me the essence of Christian faith is that you treat others as if you wish to be treated. "

"[FONT="]We ought to be people of compassion. And being people of compassion means we deny ourselves, and our self centeredness."[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT="]
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-Mike Huckabee

He obviously does not practice what he preaches. Unless making dead dog jokes is compassionate to him?

Making dead dog jokes and capitalizing on the pain of the dog's owner to make a very unfunny joke about Andrew McCabe. Not to mention reveling in McCabe's termination and loss of pension.

Is this compassion? Is this how he wants to be treated? If his daughter finds herself in the same situation as, oh let's say Rob Porter, will he be giggling and advancing the jokes when people take to social media and make jokes about it? Something tells me he wouldn't.

I already know the Huckabee position on dogs. Torture and kill them. Giggle giggle. This is the same man who actually covered for his son when he was caught doing exactly that.

I said a few times that there were 2 GOP candidates in 2016 I wouldn't consider voting for - Trump, and Huckabee. This is one of the reasons I mentioned Huckabee.

He was more interesting when he was playing "Eye of the Tiger" and parading around that county clerk in Kentucky who refused to issue a marriage license to the gay couple. Now that - that's Christian!

 

[veritas1]

I'm always amused by the left bashing Christians for not being "perfect" when being fatally flawed is the reason you need Christ to start with. The left apparently feels itself free to make any sort of vitriolic attack on others because it never claimed to have any standards of its own which would curb such behavior. Yet, they're ever ready to jump on people who do claim to try to live by such standards. That's very convenient and also massively hypocritical.