The Great Deception [W:95]

[SoulFire77]

Re: The Great Deception

John Prewett said: Jesus didn't tell us to join groups like Roman Catholic, Orthodox (including national Orthodox groups), Anglican, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Methodist, Baptist, JehWitness, SDAdventist, etc etc



So you are saying Jesus DID tell us to join groups like Roman Catholic, Orthodox (including national Orthodox groups), Anglican, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Methodist, Baptist, JehWitness, SDAdventist, etc etc ?

Are you denying that the Roman Empire created the Roman State 'church' in 380 AD ? (see Edict of Thessalonica)



The Edict of Thessalonica (also known as Cunctos populos), issued on 27 February 380 AD by three reigning Roman Emperors,
ordered all subjects of the Roman Empire to profess the faith of the bishops of Rome and of Alexandria,
making Nicene Christianity the state religion of the Roman Empire ("Nicene" Christianity meant Trinitarian "Christianity")

From Roman state sponsored Nicene-Trinitarian 'Christianity' evolved the Roman Catholic cult, the "Orthodox" cult ... then from RC cult evolved all the Prot cults.

IOW: The Great Whore family of cults.

Well where did the real Christians go ? They didn't "go" anywhere .... they were just labeled "heretics"

The real Christians of history were among those labeled "heretic" who were tortured and murdered by water baptized Trinitarians.

Nearly all the combatants on both sides of World Wars 1 and 2 were water baptized Trinitarians.

Like in Ireland between water baptized Prot Trinitarians and water baptized RC Trinitarians.

Same for Balkans RC Croats versus Orthodox Serbs. All water baptized Trinitarians.

Nearly all Christians of all denominations were baptized (including those who did bad, non-Christian things). Your "argument" is a good example of mono-logical thinking (look it up).

I asked you for scriptures supporting your view that baptism was now obsolete. You failed to provide any.

Just because you "think" something has changed since the day of Pentecost in the book of Acts - doesn't mean it actually has.


"There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." - Proverbs 14:12

 

[John Prewett]

Re: The Great Deception

Nearly all Christians of all denominations were baptized (including those who did bad, non-Christian things).
Your "argument" is a good example of mono-logical thinking (look it up).
I asked you for scriptures supporting your view that baptism was now obsolete. You failed to provide any.
Just because you "think" something has changed since the day of Pentecost in the book of Acts - doesn't mean it actually has.
"There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." - Proverbs 14:12

SoulFire77 plays dumb. And it's dumb to play dumb. He demands for me to cite more scripture.

Must I cite scripture to prove being immersed in God's Spirit is more important than being immersed in earthly water ?

Must I cite scripture to prove the baptism that Jesus and only Jesus can give is in His Holy Spirit ?

Must I cite scripture to prove Jesus saved a man without that man ever being water baptized ?

Must I cite scripture showing Jesus baptizing in His Spirit a group that had not been water baptized ?

Must I cite scripture to prove that what is commonly called 'organized religion' is phony-imitation and Christians must "come out of her" ?

Does scripture explicitly reveal all truth ?
I (and the history books) say Rome created a Roman State 'church' in 380 AD. Do you doubt that due to it not being in scripture ?
I (and the history books) say the Roman State 'church' evolved into the many 'churches' we see all around us. Do you doubt that due to it not being in scripture ?

Cite scripture showing where Jesus authorized His Church to be divided into 'churches' like Roman Catholic,
Orthodox (including national Orthodox groups), Anglican, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Methodist, Baptist, JehWitness, SDAdventist, etc etc ?

RC interprets Matt 16:17-19 to mean Jesus made Peter a "pope".

SoulFire77, do you agree with the RC interpretation of Matt 16:17-19 ?

SoulFire77, do you agree Jesus made Peter a "pope" ?

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit we are all baptized into one body,
whether we are Jews or Gentiles, whether we are slaves or free, and we have all been made to drink of one Spirit.


Luke 11:13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?”

When Jesus hears someone ask Jesus to give the Holy Spirit to them, do you think Jesus thinks "that person has not been water baptized, so no can do" ?

 

[blarg]

Re: The Great Deception

SoulFire77 plays dumb. And it's dumb to play dumb. He demands for me to cite more scripture.

Must I cite scripture to prove being immersed in God's Spirit is more important than being immersed in earthly water ?

Must I cite scripture to prove the baptism that Jesus and only Jesus can give is in His Holy Spirit ?

Must I cite scripture to prove Jesus saved a man without that man ever being water baptized ?

Must I cite scripture showing Jesus baptizing in His Spirit a group that had not been water baptized ?

Must I cite scripture to prove that what is commonly called 'organized religion' is phony-imitation and Christians must "come out of her" ?

Does scripture explicitly reveal all truth ?
I (and the history books) say Rome created a Roman State 'church' in 380 AD. Do you doubt that due to it not being in scripture ?
I (and the history books) say the Roman State 'church' evolved into the many 'churches' we see all around us. Do you doubt that due to it not being in scripture ?

Cite scripture showing where Jesus authorized His Church to be divided into 'churches' like Roman Catholic,
Orthodox (including national Orthodox groups), Anglican, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Methodist, Baptist, JehWitness, SDAdventist, etc etc ?

RC interprets Matt 16:17-19 to mean Jesus made Peter a "pope".

SoulFire77, do you agree with the RC interpretation of Matt 16:17-19 ?

SoulFire77, do you agree Jesus made Peter a "pope" ?

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit we are all baptized into one body,
whether we are Jews or Gentiles, whether we are slaves or free, and we have all been made to drink of one Spirit.

you can site it but that dosent actually tell you if a god ever had anything to do with that scripture

 

[SoulFire77]

Re: The Great Deception

SoulFire77 plays dumb. And it's dumb to play dumb. He demands for me to cite more scripture.

Must I cite scripture to prove being immersed in God's Spirit is more important than being immersed in earthly water ?

Must I cite scripture to prove the baptism that Jesus and only Jesus can give is in His Holy Spirit ?

Must I cite scripture to prove Jesus saved a man without that man ever being water baptized ?

Must I cite scripture showing Jesus baptizing in His Spirit a group that had not been water baptized ?

Must I cite scripture to prove that what is commonly called 'organized religion' is phony-imitation and Christians must "come out of her" ?

Does scripture explicitly reveal all truth ?
I (and the history books) say Rome created a Roman State 'church' in 380 AD. Do you doubt that due to it not being in scripture ?
I (and the history books) say the Roman State 'church' evolved into the many 'churches' we see all around us. Do you doubt that due to it not being in scripture ?

Cite scripture showing where Jesus authorized His Church to be divided into 'churches' like Roman Catholic,
Orthodox (including national Orthodox groups), Anglican, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Methodist, Baptist, JehWitness, SDAdventist, etc etc ?

RC interprets Matt 16:17-19 to mean Jesus made Peter a "pope".

SoulFire77, do you agree with the RC interpretation of Matt 16:17-19 ?

SoulFire77, do you agree Jesus made Peter a "pope" ?

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit we are all baptized into one body,
whether we are Jews or Gentiles, whether we are slaves or free, and we have all been made to drink of one Spirit.


Luke 11:13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?”

When Jesus hears someone ask Jesus to give the Holy Spirit to them, do you think Jesus thinks "that person has not been water baptized, so no can do" ?

I don't believe in Popes, Cardinals, or Bishops. I am not Catholic.

I do believe that baptism is a requirement of Christianity. People CAN and DO receive the Holy Spirit before they are baptized, but they should be baptized as soon as possible after that. There is an example of this in the Book of Acts.

Jesus Christ gave three things on the cross: His blood (for repentance), water from his pierced side (for baptism), and, when he died, he gave up the ghost (the Holy Spirit). This is why Peter (who was given the keys of Heaven) said in Acts 2:38-39, "Repent, and be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."

 

[John Prewett]

Re: The Great Deception

I don't believe in Popes, Cardinals, or Bishops. I am not Catholic. I do believe that baptism is a requirement of Christianity. People CAN and DO receive the Holy Spirit before they are baptized,
but they should soon as possible after be baptized as that.
There is an example of this in the Book of Acts. Jesus Christ gave three things on the cross: His blood (for repentance), water from his pierced side (for baptism), and, when he died, he gave up the ghost (the Holy Spirit). This is why Peter (who was given the keys of Heaven) said in Acts 2:38-39, "Repent, and be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."

So we agree Jesus baptized people in HS before they had been baptized in water. You say the recently HS baptized “should” be water baptized ASAP.

So we agree the subsequent water baptism is optional. Or did you mean “must” be ?

You note Peter was given “keys to heaven”. How about the other apostles ?

In your humble opinion were they given the same keys ? Or did Peter alone receive the “keys to heaven” ?

Today, does Jesus have servants on earth right now who have the “keys to heaven” ? Or not ?

 

[John Prewett]

Re: The Great Deception

I don't believe in Popes, .....

Then you must believe the Popes were and are all frauds.

A fraud that the worldly think is head of Jesus's Church.

Thanks to the Popes the world thinks Jesus Church tortured and mass murdered people.

Think Jesus appreciates being blamed for the Inquisitions ?

And from the Pope's cult came all the Prot "churches."

What do you think "come out of her MY people" means come out of ?

Did and does Jesus expect His people to act upon the "come out of her MY people" directive ? Or if we ignore it .... it's no big deal ?

 

[blarg]

Re: The Great Deception

Then you must believe the Popes were and are all frauds.

A fraud that the worldly think is head of Jesus's Church.

Thanks to the Popes the world thinks Jesus Church tortured and mass murdered people.

Think Jesus appreciates being blamed for the Inquisitions ?

And from the Pope's cult came all the Prot "churches."

What do you think "come out of her MY people" means come out of ?

Did and does Jesus expect His people to act upon the "come out of her MY people" directive ? Or if we ignore it .... it's no big deal ?

if Jesus had a problem with them why did he not i duno stop the inquisitions?

 

[SoulFire77]

Re: The Great Deception

Then you must believe the Popes were and are all frauds.

A fraud that the worldly think is head of Jesus's Church.

Thanks to the Popes the world thinks Jesus Church tortured and mass murdered people.

Think Jesus appreciates being blamed for the Inquisitions ?

And from the Pope's cult came all the Prot "churches."

What do you think "come out of her MY people" means come out of ?

Did and does Jesus expect His people to act upon the "come out of her MY people" directive ? Or if we ignore it .... it's no big deal ?

I think you have chosen a very apt title for your thread. YOU are attempting to deceive other Christians in the name of Christianity - which makes what you say FAR worse than anything said in this forum by unbelievers. Clearly, you have been given over to a reprobate spirit. I strongly urge any Christians reading this thread to "test the spirit" herein.

That is all.

 

[John Prewett]

Re: The Great Deception

I think you have chosen a very apt title for your thread. YOU are attempting to deceive other Christians in the name of Christianity - which makes what you say FAR worse than anything said in this forum by unbelievers. Clearly, you have been given over to a reprobate spirit. I strongly urge any Christians reading this thread to "test the spirit" herein. That is all.

I'm confident of the truth of my OP .... thus am confident that your above revealed condemnation of me shows you are on the wrong side of the fence.

"CHURCH" according to the NT means the people who belong to Jesus Christ. "His" people. Book of Acts reveals The Church.

A GREAT deception took place in 380ad.

The Roman Emperor empowered a religious group whose binding doctrine was Trinitarianism ....
and
this Trinitarian group claimed to be "The Church"
and
the Roman establishment [bunch of assorted Pagans]
claimed this newly empowered CULT was "The Church."

So from 380ad onward, the worldly have been deceived as to who and where and what is "The Church".
All the modern christianish “churches” [“cults, denominations”] evolved from the imitation “church” empowered by the Roman Empire in 380 AD.
The foundation the Church rest upon is the confession Peter made …. Not Peter personally. Much NT scripture shows the one and only head of Jesus’s Church is Jesus.
Papist and Trinitarians don’t believe scripture. They believe various interpretations of scripture … and that is not the same as believing/heeding scripture.

Famous example of putting interpretation of scripture over scripture:
“call no man father”

Roman Catholicism will give you scads of interpretive pretext to NOT heed the simple “call no man father”


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_...e_Roman_Empire

"Nicene "Trinitarian" Christianity became the state church of the Roman Empire with the Edict of Thessalonica in 380 CE,
when Emperor Theodosius I made it the Empire's sole authorized religion"

 

[SoulFire77]

Re: The Great Deception

I'm confident of the truth of my OP .... thus am confident that your above revealed condemnation of me shows you are on the wrong side of the fence.

"CHURCH" according to the NT means the people who belong to Jesus Christ. "His" people. Book of Acts reveals The Church.

A GREAT deception took place in 380ad.

The Roman Emperor empowered a religious group whose binding doctrine was Trinitarianism ....
and
this Trinitarian group claimed to be "The Church"
and
the Roman establishment [bunch of assorted Pagans]
claimed this newly empowered CULT was "The Church."

So from 380ad onward, the worldly have been deceived as to who and where and what is "The Church".
All the modern christianish “churches” [“cults, denominations”] evolved from the imitation “church” empowered by the Roman Empire in 380 AD.
The foundation the Church rest upon is the confession Peter made …. Not Peter personally. Much NT scripture shows the one and only head of Jesus’s Church is Jesus.
Papist and Trinitarians don’t believe scripture. They believe various interpretations of scripture … and that is not the same as believing/heeding scripture.

Famous example of putting interpretation of scripture over scripture:
“call no man father”

Roman Catholicism will give you scads of interpretive pretext to NOT heed the simple “call no man father”


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_...e_Roman_Empire

"Nicene "Trinitarian" Christianity became the state church of the Roman Empire with the Edict of Thessalonica in 380 CE,
when Emperor Theodosius I made it the Empire's sole authorized religion"

Again, I am not Catholic - nor a Trinitarian. Your post means nothing to me.

 

[John Prewett]

Re: The Great Deception

Again, I am not Catholic - nor a Trinitarian. Your post means nothing to me.

You don't like what I contend ... You claim I'm a deceiver .... but you can't refute me with fact and logic. You don't even try.

I ask you questions so as to understand your stance .... and you won't answer. Cause for some reason you crave to defend what is commonly called "organized religion".

You want to convince people to stay IN what Jesus commands people to "COME OUT OF"


When you say you are 'not Catholic" then in fact you are saying Catholicism is false (and the Prot groups evolved from Catholicism). But you won't admit that.

When you say you are not a Trinitarian then in fact you are saying Trintarian doctrine is false.... and

Trinitarian dogma was part of the doctrinal baggage that Prots took with them when they came out of RC.

And water baptism .... you refuse to recognize that water baptism NOW does NOT mean what it meant in the ACTS era. As if all the water baptizing imitation 'churches' around us mean nothing.

As if Jesus is perfectly happy for his Church to be divided into Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran, etc etc ... SOMETIMES killing each other ... See Ireland. See Balkans.

 

[blarg]

Re: The Great Deception

You don't like what I contend ... You claim I'm a deceiver .... but you can't refute me with fact and logic. You don't even try.

I ask you questions so as to understand your stance .... and you won't answer. Cause for some reason you crave to defend what is commonly called "organized religion".

You want to convince people to stay IN what Jesus commands people to "COME OUT OF"


When you say you are 'not Catholic" then in fact you are saying Catholicism is false (and the Prot groups evolved from Catholicism). But you won't admit that.

When you say you are not a Trinitarian then in fact you are saying Trintarian doctrine is false.... and

Trinitarian dogma was part of the doctrinal baggage that Prots took with them when they came out of RC.

And water baptism .... you refuse to recognize that water baptism NOW does NOT mean what it meant in the ACTS era. As if all the water baptizing imitation 'churches' around us mean nothing.

As if Jesus is perfectly happy for his Church to be divided into Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran, etc etc ... SOMETIMES killing each other ... See Ireland. See Balkans.

still confused if your god is real how come hes not telling us about himself so that we would know what we are hearing is not just made up by other people?

the idea that Christianity is not man made and with out any divine influence still seems to be the real conspiracy here

 

[it's just me]

Re: The Great Deception

None of that is true in the slightest. Every example of salvation in the new testament is preceded (or followed immediately) by baptism in the name of Jesus Christ. Jesus, Himself, was baptized and He DID tell his followers to baptize others. Please cite the scriptures which state otherwise (I notice a lack of any scriptural references in your posts, other Christians here should also take note of that)...

....in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. (Matt 28:19), non-trinitarian.

 

[Daisy]

Re: The Great Deception

I'm confident of the truth of my OP .... thus am confident that your above revealed condemnation of me shows you are on the wrong side of the fence.

"CHURCH" according to the NT means the people who belong to Jesus Christ. "His" people. Book of Acts reveals The Church.

A GREAT deception took place in 380ad.

The Roman Emperor empowered a religious group whose binding doctrine was Trinitarianism ....
and
this Trinitarian group claimed to be "The Church"
and
the Roman establishment [bunch of assorted Pagans]
claimed this newly empowered CULT was "The Church."

So from 380ad onward, the worldly have been deceived as to who and where and what is "The Church".
All the modern christianish “churches” [“cults, denominations”] evolved from the imitation “church” empowered by the Roman Empire in 380 AD.
The foundation the Church rest upon is the confession Peter made …. Not Peter personally. Much NT scripture shows the one and only head of Jesus’s Church is Jesus.
Papist and Trinitarians don’t believe scripture. They believe various interpretations of scripture … and that is not the same as believing/heeding scripture.

Famous example of putting interpretation of scripture over scripture:
“call no man father”

Roman Catholicism will give you scads of interpretive pretext to NOT heed the simple “call no man father”


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_...e_Roman_Empire

"Nicene "Trinitarian" Christianity became the state church of the Roman Empire with the Edict of Thessalonica in 380 CE,
when Emperor Theodosius I made it the Empire's sole authorized religion"

I agree with the deception part but according to Paul, God's people will still be organized/unified/orderly in the congregations...it's God's way...the way of truth...

"14. For God is a God not of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the holy ones,

40. But let all things take place decently and by arrangement." 1 Cor. 14:33,40

"Though I am absent in body, I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the firmness of your faith in Christ." Col. 2:5

 

[SoulFire77]

Re: The Great Deception

When I read scripture I see an omnipresent Spirit (a Creator), who takes on a form for the purpose of creation (Jesus). This is why we are created in the image and likeness of a man (Jesus). This God is divided from his creation by their free-will, sinful nature - once they become aware enough to know right from wrong. He has a "love/hate" relationship with His creation from this point forward. Eventually He comes to Earth in the flesh and thirty years of walking around in human skin is enough for Him to begin a ministry telling everyone to love one another and forgive one another [God can and does change His mind]. His flesh sets the example for others how to behave toward God and toward mankind. He plays the price for the sin of mankind with His death, burial and resurrection and He leaves behind His Spirit on the Earth. We receive Him (once we believe in Him) by repentance (death), baptism (burial), and being filled with His Spirit (resurrection).

I see a wonderfully dynamic Creator who comes to Earth, born as a lowly carpenter, who dies on fastened wood, and goes away to build "mansions" for the people who love Him.

I feel specifically called by God (He dealt with me in my conscious and unconscious [vivid dreams too real to be ignored] for years before I finally surrendered to Him.

Before I did, I studied many different religions and cults. I have learned from the Bhagavad Gita, the Vedas, the Tripitaka, the Analects of Confucius, the Tao de Ching, the Quran, the Holy Bible, and other holy books.

When I received His Spirit, I had a transcendent experience outside of my own body and spoke in other tongues - I felt completely drunk at the time, though I never drink. It sounds completely crazy to the unbeliever (as I am sure we will see in reaction to this post later)... However, I challenge you to read all of my comments up until now, on all my threads, and judge me as anything but a sane, rational, conservative man who works a regular, boring job and takes care of his normal American family.

This is why I am a Christian, and this is why I am Apostolic. I am not a perfect person, but my faith in God is not shakeable.

What's your story?

 

[it's just me]

I BELIEVE in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, And of all things visible and invisible:

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God; Begotten of his Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of very God; Begotten, not made; Being of one substance with the Father; By whom all things were made:

Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, And was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary, And was made man: And was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried: And the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures: And ascended into heaven, And sitteth on the right hand of the Father: And he shall come again, with glory, to judge both the quick and the dead; Whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, The Lord, and Giver of Life, Who proceedeth from the Father and the Son; Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; Who spake by the Prophets: And I believe one Catholic and Apostolic Church: I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins: And I look for the Resurrection of the dead: And the Life of the world to come +. Amen.

 

[John Prewett]

Re: The Great Deception

When I read scripture I see an omnipresent Spirit (a Creator), who takes on a form for the purpose of creation (Jesus). This is why we are created in the image and likeness of a man (Jesus). This God is divided from his creation by their free-will, sinful nature - once they become aware enough to know right from wrong. He has a "love/hate" relationship with His creation from this point forward. Eventually He comes to Earth in the flesh and thirty years of walking around in human skin is enough for Him to begin a ministry telling everyone to love one another and forgive one another [God can and does change His mind]. His flesh sets the example for others how to behave toward God and toward mankind. He plays the price for the sin of mankind with His death, burial and resurrection and He leaves behind His Spirit on the Earth. We receive Him (once we believe in Him) by repentance (death), baptism (burial), and being filled with His Spirit (resurrection).

I see a wonderfully dynamic Creator who comes to Earth, born as a lowly carpenter, who dies on fastened wood, and goes away to build "mansions" for the people who love Him.

I feel specifically called by God (He dealt with me in my conscious and unconscious [vivid dreams too real to be ignored] for years before I finally surrendered to Him.

Before I did, I studied many different religions and cults. I have learned from the Bhagavad Gita, the Vedas, the Tripitaka, the Analects of Confucius, the Tao de Ching, the Quran, the Holy Bible, and other holy books.

When I received His Spirit, I had a transcendent experience outside of my own body and spoke in other tongues - I felt completely drunk at the time, though I never drink. It sounds completely crazy to the unbeliever (as I am sure we will see in reaction to this post later)... However, I challenge you to read all of my comments up until now, on all my threads, and judge me as anything but a sane, rational, conservative man who works a regular, boring job and takes care of his normal American family.

This is why I am a Christian, and this is why I am Apostolic. I am not a perfect person, but my faith in God is not shakeable. What's your story?

I respect and believe your account.

The instant Jesus made me a believer I suddenly felt like I was floating in a pool of love. Never doubted Jesus's reality since that day.

My brief condensed life history is on my FB account (John Prewett or John W Prewett). Click "About" then "Life Events" .... scroll to "Jesus if you are Alive"

 

[John Prewett]

Re: The Great Deception

I agree with the deception part but according to Paul, God's people will still be organized/unified/orderly in the congregations...it's God's way...the way of truth... .........

Elvira ......

The religious groups of TODAY that are commonly called "organized religion" ... (RomCatholic,Orthodox,Lutheran, Anglican, Prysbyterian, Methodist, Baptist,Mormon, SDAdventist, JehWitness etc etc etc)

are as the synagogue of the NT revealed era. As Jesus's people HAD TO COME OUT of the synagogues, so Jesus's people of TODAY will have to come out of what is commonly called organized religion.

The clergy of today's organized religion are NOT modern day NT Apostles. Today's clergy of organized religion are modern day scribes and pharisees.



Hebrews 13:13 Therefore let us go forth to Him outside the camp, bearing the reproach that He bore.

We must go to Jesus OUTSIDE THE CAMP .... outside the "camp" of what is commonly called organized religion.


22 His parents said this, because they feared the Jews. For the Jews had already agreed that if anyone confessed that He was the Christ, he would be put out of the synagogue. John 9:22
42 Yet many of the rulers also believed in Him. But because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they be put out of the synagogue. John 12:42
2 They will put you out of the synagogues. Yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he is offering a service to God. John 16:2

 

[blarg]

Re: The Great Deception

Elvira ......

The religious groups of TODAY that are commonly called "organized religion" ... (RomCatholic,Orthodox,Lutheran, Anglican, Prysbyterian, Methodist, Baptist,Mormon, SDAdventist, JehWitness etc etc etc)

are as the synagogue of the NT revealed era. As Jesus's people HAD TO COME OUT of the synagogues, so Jesus's people of TODAY will have to come out of what is commonly called organized religion.

The clergy of today's organized religion are NOT modern day NT Apostles. Today's clergy of organized religion are modern day scribes and pharisees.



Hebrews 13:13 Therefore let us go forth to Him outside the camp, bearing the reproach that He bore.

We must go to Jesus OUTSIDE THE CAMP .... outside the "camp" of what is commonly called organized religion.


22 His parents said this, because they feared the Jews. For the Jews had already agreed that if anyone confessed that He was the Christ, he would be put out of the synagogue. John 9:22
42 Yet many of the rulers also believed in Him. But because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they be put out of the synagogue. John 12:42
2 They will put you out of the synagogues. Yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he is offering a service to God. John 16:2

did Jesus actually tell you any of this in person seems suspicious if not

 

[SoulFire77]

Re: The Great Deception

Elvira ......

The religious groups of TODAY that are commonly called "organized religion" ... (RomCatholic,Orthodox,Lutheran, Anglican, Prysbyterian, Methodist, Baptist,Mormon, SDAdventist, JehWitness etc etc etc)

are as the synagogue of the NT revealed era. As Jesus's people HAD TO COME OUT of the synagogues, so Jesus's people of TODAY will have to come out of what is commonly called organized religion.

The clergy of today's organized religion are NOT modern day NT Apostles. Today's clergy of organized religion are modern day scribes and pharisees.



Hebrews 13:13 Therefore let us go forth to Him outside the camp, bearing the reproach that He bore.

We must go to Jesus OUTSIDE THE CAMP .... outside the "camp" of what is commonly called organized religion.


22 His parents said this, because they feared the Jews. For the Jews had already agreed that if anyone confessed that He was the Christ, he would be put out of the synagogue. John 9:22
42 Yet many of the rulers also believed in Him. But because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they be put out of the synagogue. John 12:42
2 They will put you out of the synagogues. Yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he is offering a service to God. John 16:2

It's not just about coming out of (or being put out of) a physical synagogue... Genuine Christians are often controversial in their own churches. After all, it would be unreasonable to expect to find an entire building of people who have genuinely been called by God... not when "the way is narrow" and "few find it"... It's not an excuse to miss church, but one should know that your spiritual identity is about more than just church attendance.

 

[Daisy]

Re: The Great Deception

Elvira ......

The religious groups of TODAY that are commonly called "organized religion" ... (RomCatholic,Orthodox,Lutheran, Anglican, Prysbyterian, Methodist, Baptist,Mormon, SDAdventist, JehWitness etc etc etc)

are as the synagogue of the NT revealed era. As Jesus's people HAD TO COME OUT of the synagogues, so Jesus's people of TODAY will have to come out of what is commonly called organized religion.

The clergy of today's organized religion are NOT modern day NT Apostles. Today's clergy of organized religion are modern day scribes and pharisees.



Hebrews 13:13 Therefore let us go forth to Him outside the camp, bearing the reproach that He bore.

We must go to Jesus OUTSIDE THE CAMP .... outside the "camp" of what is commonly called organized religion.


22 His parents said this, because they feared the Jews. For the Jews had already agreed that if anyone confessed that He was the Christ, he would be put out of the synagogue. John 9:22
42 Yet many of the rulers also believed in Him. But because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they be put out of the synagogue. John 12:42
2 They will put you out of the synagogues. Yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he is offering a service to God. John 16:2

Well, I hate to break it to ya but they had congregations in Jesus'/apostle's day...Ephesus, Corinth, Thessalonia, Galatia, Philippi, Colossae, Rome...just to name a few...

FYI you won't find any clergy class in any congregations of JW's either...you won't find any group on earth today who adheres more to the example set out in the Bible for Christians to follow...

 

[SoulFire77]

Re: The Great Deception

I respect and believe your account.

The instant Jesus made me a believer I suddenly felt like I was floating in a pool of love. Never doubted Jesus's reality since that day.

My brief condensed life history is on my FB account (John Prewett or John W Prewett). Click "About" then "Life Events" .... scroll to "Jesus if you are Alive"

Thank you, and I will read your story.

All rhetoric aside, I don't understand why you oppose the concept of baptism? After all, the first person to have the experience we are discussing here (the infilling of the Holy Spirit) was John, the Baptizer of Jesus.

 

[SoulFire77]

I BELIEVE in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, And of all things visible and invisible:

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God; Begotten of his Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of very God; Begotten, not made; Being of one substance with the Father; By whom all things were made:

Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, And was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary, And was made man: And was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried: And the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures: And ascended into heaven, And sitteth on the right hand of the Father: And he shall come again, with glory, to judge both the quick and the dead; Whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, The Lord, and Giver of Life, Who proceedeth from the Father and the Son; Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; Who spake by the Prophets: And I believe one Catholic and Apostolic Church: I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins: And I look for the Resurrection of the dead: And the Life of the world to come +. Amen.

Why does God really need an "and"? Did He need to divide Himself to appear as a burning bush, or as a pillar of smoke?

You say you believe in God the Father "and in" Jesus the Son "and in" the Holy Spirit... Yet, John saw Jesus sitting on the throne.... You were, no doubt, baptized in the "name" of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit...

What "name" do you suppose that is?

 

[it's just me]

Why does God really need an "and"? Did He need to divide Himself to appear as a burning bush, or as a pillar of smoke?

You say you believe in God the Father "and in" Jesus the Son "and in" the Holy Spirit... Yet, John saw Jesus sitting on the throne.... You were, no doubt, baptized in the "name" of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit...

What "name" do you suppose that is?

The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Do you just pick the parts of the Bible you like?

 

[John Prewett]

Re: The Great Deception

Well, I hate to break it to ya but they had congregations in Jesus'/apostle's day...Ephesus, Corinth, Thessalonia, Galatia, Philippi, Colossae, Rome...just to name a few...

Those "congregations" were separated by geography. Not by doctrine.

FYI you won't find any clergy class in any congregations of JW's either...
you won't find any group on earth today who adheres more to the example set out in the Bible for Christians to follow...

JehWitness believe they are Jesus's One True Church. You think they are right ?