The Great Deception [W:95]

[zyzygy]

Re: The Great Deception

Here is the long list of failed biblical prophecies.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_prophecies

 

[HowardBThiname]

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Basing prophecies on such tales is bound to go wrong. The list of failed religious prophecies is a long one but still they are being made. It makes me wonder why people from various religions who have seen these prophecies fail still believe in prophecy.

You'd think they'd learn - but they never seem to. They just keep on making predictions and they keep on failing.

 

[zyzygy]

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You'd think they'd learn - but they never seem to. They just keep on making predictions and they keep on failing.

Hope springs eternal in the human breast. Some of them are looking forward to seeing atheists suffer. I don't think that will come to pass. When you're dead, game over. Oblivion. Passages from old holy books do not convince me.

 

[LaDexter]

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But if we send enough arms and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to Israel, Jesus will float down from the clouds....

 

[zyzygy]

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But if we send enough arms and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to Israel, Jesus will float down from the clouds....

I doubt that.

 

[LaDexter]

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I doubt that.

Clearly, you are not a post 1998 Republican.... because that is their "platform..."

and many many many are completely certain that will happen....


Jesus, still in his 30's, healed but with a scar or two.... floats down from the clouds, but only if Zionism controls the area defined in Chapter 1 of the Book of Joshua, starting with land west of the EUPHRATES RIVER.... which is in what country today???

 

[zyzygy]

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Clearly, you are not a post 1998 Republican.... because that is their "platform..."

and many many many are completely certain that will happen....


Jesus, still in his 30's, healed but with a scar or two.... floats down from the clouds, but only if Zionism controls the area defined in Chapter 1 of the Book of Joshua, starting with land west of the EUPHRATES RIVER.... which is in what country today???

I love quizzes but if you don't know I suggest that you look at an atlas.

 

[LaDexter]

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IRAQ is where Euphrates River is....


which helps to explain why Dianne Feinstein was 100% for a US war with Iraq regardless of time, date, or reason given....

 

[zyzygy]

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IRAQ is where Euphrates River is....


which helps to explain why Dianne Feinstein was 100% for a US war with Iraq regardless of time, date, or reason given....

Who is Dianne Feinstein?

 

[nota bene]

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Hope springs eternal in the human breast. Some of them are looking forward to seeing atheists suffer.

Someone--anybody--who is looking forward to seeing anyone suffer is sick and suffering from sadly misplaced hubris.

But your opening quote is without context:

Hope humbly then; with trembling pinions soar;
Wait the great teacher Death; and God adore!
What future bliss, he gives not thee to know,
But gives that hope to be thy blessing now.
Hope springs eternal in the human breast:
Man never is, but always to be blest:
The soul, uneasy and confin'd from home,
Rests and expatiates in a life to come.

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44899/an-essay-on-man-epistle-i

 

[LaDexter]

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Who is Dianne Feinstein?

Senator from CA representing Israel, Zionist Jews, and precisely nothing but...


She was the one who gave the final speech supporting invading Iraq because the CIA/Mossad did 911....

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-love/who-voted-to-authorize-fo_b_85652.html




Feinstein originally ran in the 1992 "Year of the left wing Zionist Jewish female" election.... on the platform that HW Bush "didn't finish the (Israeli, not US) job in Iraq"

 

[zyzygy]

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Senator from CA representing Israel, Zionist Jews, and precisely nothing but...


She was the one who gave the final speech supporting invading Iraq because the CIA/Mossad did 911....

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-love/who-voted-to-authorize-fo_b_85652.html




Feinstein originally ran in the 1992 "Year of the left wing Zionist Jewish female" election.... on the platform that HW Bush "didn't finish the (Israeli, not US) job in Iraq"

Good for her.

 

[John Prewett]

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I propose that the Great Deception didn't take place when you think it did -- in 380AD -- but rather 300 years prior with the writing of the New Testament books with the subversive intent to sell a mythological story as fact.

You see, the Great Deception was much greater than just the formation of the RCC, although the RCC was also deceived, as has been everyone in the past two millennia that bought into the greatest story ever sold.

I suspect you (and zyzygy) think the Great Deception took place around 4000 BC when Genesis was written and promulgated. Or do you deem the OT true ?

 

[John Prewett]

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Enough about me although Elvira and Olnate find me irresistible. Let us return to discussing the so-called great deception and John the false prophet.

Not that your opinion of me matters (after all, you deem all Theist to be deluded) .... because it certainly does not, but, for the record,

I prefer to be known as "John the imperfect" or "John the prone to jump the gun" or "John the fallible"


Also, for the record, My firm belief NYCity specifically will be nuked is not due to explicit scripture. But rather is due to the FAZZINI sculpture and the carvings on the St John the Divine Cathedral.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Resurrection_(Fazzini) .......... News: New York Cathedral predicts New York apocalypse

 

[zyzygy]

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I suspect you (and zyzygy) think the Great Deception took place around 4000 BC when Genesis was written and promulgated. Or do you deem the OT true ?

I don't deem any of it true. It's all myth.

 

[zyzygy]

Re: The Great Deception

Not that your opinion of me matters (after all, you deem all Theist to be deluded) .... because it certainly does not, but, for the record,

I prefer to be known as "John the imperfect" or "John the prone to jump the gun" or "John the fallible"


Also, for the record, My firm belief NYCity specifically will be nuked is not due to explicit scripture. But rather is due to the FAZZINI sculpture and the carvings on the St John the Divine Cathedral.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Resurrection_(Fazzini) .......... News: New York Cathedral predicts New York apocalypse

Very convincing.

 

[John Prewett]

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I don't deem any of it true. It's all myth.

Never mind the Jews have a historical continuity that RATIONAL people can't deny.

For instance, denying that the kings of ancient Israel lived is a ignorance revealing as denying the kings of England lived.

 

[HowardBThiname]

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I suspect you (and zyzygy) think the Great Deception took place around 4000 BC when Genesis was written and promulgated. Or do you deem the OT true ?

The "Great Deception" is the existence of world religions in general.

The date in your OP, is just a small branch of the deception. Other branches include the Reformation, the formation of denominations, the Book of Mormon, Muhhamed's prophecies, the story of Zoroaster, etc.

Those are all branches of the Great Deception, which encompasses all religious tenets.

Your argument in the OP could only be true if both the New Testament (with or without the apocryphal texts) and the Hebrew books of the Old Testament were factual. Thing is -- we know they're not factual, so the date in the OP, when the RCC used its power to influence the existing deception, doesn't change the fact that it was a deception they altered.

While your failed prediction was a deception, it was only one of many, many, many deceptions over the millennia. All the tenets, predictions, prophecies -- all those things exist only in magical thinking -- not in reality. But, because you made that deceptive prediction, you can easily understand how others before you believed "the truth" to be one thing or another. The RCC in 380 altered the newly formed Christian deception, but they likely did so thinking they were correct. Just as you put forth your prediction, thinking you were correct. While their deception was on a much greater scale, it was no different, in substance, from your deception.

What you have to understand, is that both of you created deceptions within the larger deception, which is religion in general. Not to worry, millions have done it before you and millions will do it long after you're gone. It's human nature.

 

[HowardBThiname]

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Hope springs eternal in the human breast. Some of them are looking forward to seeing atheists suffer. I don't think that will come to pass. When you're dead, game over. Oblivion. Passages from old holy books do not convince me.

I can't say for certain if the game will be over or not -- but I'm convinced that there is no deity, such as described in the many holy books that's going to mete out rewards and punishments.

It takes a certain amount of narcissism and self-deception to buy into the idea that you're somehow following the "right" religion, or the "right" church, while dismissing all of those who don't agree. Yet, that's what we see here day after day after month after year. It never ends. I think it's based in fear, but it's crippling to live that way. Spending your days preparing for death, arguing with others about how your god is better than their god.

I firmly believe there will come a day when religion has disappeared, except for in remote backwoods areas and in the minds of the intellectually feeble. Right now, it still has a hold on many who are relatively intelligent, but -- that must change. Education and knowledge are the lights that illuminate the falsity of supernatural beliefs and the world is becoming more educated every day.

 

[zyzygy]

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Never mind the Jews have a historical continuity that RATIONAL people can't deny.

For instance, denying that the kings of ancient Israel lived is a ignorance revealing as denying the kings of England lived.

I was referring to the bible.

 

[Daisy]

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Prophecies in the bible that have come true...

PROPHECIES REGARDING THE MESSIAH

EVENT

PROPHECY

FULFILLMENT

Born of the tribe of Judah

Genesis 49:10

Luke 3:23-33

Born of a virgin

Isaiah 7:14

Matthew 1:18-25

Descended from King David

Isaiah 9:7

Matthew 1:1, 6-17

Declared by Jehovah to be his Son

Psalm 2:7

Matthew 3:17

Not believed in

Isaiah 53:1

John 12:37, 38

Entered Jerusalem riding a donkey

Zechariah 9:9

Matthew 21:1-9

Betrayed by a close associate

Psalm 41:9

John 13:18, 21-30

Betrayed for 30 silver pieces

Zechariah 11:12

Matthew 26:14-16

Silent before his accusers

Isaiah 53:7

Matthew 27:11-14

Lots cast for his garments

Psalm 22:18

Matthew 27:35

Mocked while on the stake

Psalm 22:7, 8

Matthew 27:39-43

None of his bones broken

Psalm 34:20

John 19:33, 36

Buried with the rich

Isaiah 53:9

Matthew 27:57-60

Raised before corruption

Psalm 16:10

Acts 2:24, 27

Exalted to God’s right hand

Psalm 110:1

Acts 7:56

PROPHECIES ABOUT ABRAHAM AND HIS DESCENDANTS
The descendants of the faithful man Abraham would become a great nation, later called the nation of Israel.—Genesis 12:1, 2.

Abraham’s descendants would return to the land of Canaan after living in a foreign land for four generations.—Genesis 15:13, 16.

Abraham’s descendants would take possession of “the entire land of Canaan.”—Genesis 17:8.

Because the Israelites rebelled against God, he would allow them to be conquered and taken captive.—Jeremiah 25:8-11.

God would restore the Jews to their homeland after they spent 70 years in captivity.—Jeremiah 25:12; 29:10.

The Babylonian world power would be overthrown, and in time Babylon would become rubble.—Isaiah 13:19, 20.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102005152#h=10:0-59:0

 

[John Prewett]

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I was referring to the bible.

So was I

 

[gamolon]

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OR...perhaps he is someone who is just searching for the truth...

Not sure I understand your response here in regards to him accusing people of "bashing" and "harrassing" believers in Jesus based what HE said or supporting his predictions. That never happened in this thread. I called him out as being a false prophet because that's exactly what he is according to the very beliefs he preaches about.

So are you ok with him making the false accusations mentioned above and prophesying just to find out the truth?

Just asking for clarification is all.

 

[Daisy]

Re: The Great Deception

Not sure I understand your response here in regards to him accusing people of "bashing" and "harrassing" believers in Jesus based what HE said or supporting his predictions. That never happened in this thread. I called him out as being a false prophet because that's exactly what he is according to the very beliefs he preaches about.

So are you ok with him making the false accusations mentioned above and prophesying just to find out the truth?

Just asking for clarification is all.

JP made a valid point...all believers are held responsible for what a few do...he was simply clarifying that point...

As for his false prophecies, I already said I disagree with them...nothing left to clarify...I just won't condemn a person for making a mistake when he seems to be point on with other aspects of his beliefs...

Your anger with the man puzzles me...

 

[gamolon]

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JP made a valid point...all believers are held responsible for what a few do...he was simply clarifying that point...

That is completely incorrect. I, for one, do not hold you responsible for what JP has said in these forums. I simply asked you what you thought about his false prophecies.

As for his false prophecies, I already said I disagree with them...nothing left to clarify...I just won't condemn a person for making a mistake when he seems to be point on with other aspects of his beliefs...

So you're ok with him continuing to making false prophecies even though it's against what is in the bible? Ok then...

Your anger with the man puzzles me...

I find it funny that some folks around here can perceive anger and emotion from written words.