The Glenn Beck Boycott Gaining Traction - FOX News Losing Money

[Conservative]

AT&T, as your article points out, is free to negotiate something different. No limit on their profit has been placed on them by the government. So, your claim there is proven false.

An increase in costs is not the government mandating limitations on profit. And costs were going before legislation. I will be interested to see if those companies actually see those costs, but what you really do here is make an argument for universal health care, as then business would not need to bear these costs (or at least a public option). Remember, the present problems are in part because of unfounded objections to a public option.

In any case, you prove my point. There is no limits on profit placed in the bill.

What you miss and don't seem to understand is that when business costs go up those costs are passed on to the consumer meaning prices go up. Nothing the govt. ever does reduces costs, never will. You seem to have a problem with understanding history.

This bill does nothing to reduce costs to businesses thus the consumer.

 

[Boo Radley]

What you miss and don't seem to understand is that when business costs go up those costs are passed on to the consumer meaning prices go up. Nothing the govt. ever does reduces costs, never will. You seem to have a problem with understanding history.

This bill does nothing to reduce costs to businesses thus the consumer.

No, I understand that perfect well, and as I said, costs have been going up right now, without this legislation. The same problem you note here was present before reform. What needs to be done to fix THIS problem isn't supported by enough people, and your side has derailed any effort to address it.

To do this, you need the public option at a minimum. More realistically, you need universal health care.

But the point is and has been that there is no limit on profit in the bill. You were and are factually wrong.

 

[Conservative]

No, I understand that perfect well, and as I said, costs have been going up right now, without this legislation. The same problem you note here was present before reform. What needs to be done to fix THIS problem isn't supported by enough people, and your side has derailed any effort to address it.

To do this, you need the public option at a minimum. More realistically, you need universal health care.

Actually the Democrats who oppose free enterprise and capitalism have derailed any attempts to increase competition into the healthcare bill. Massive govt. intrusion is the first step towards that utopian single payer system you want. soon we will be just like Europe, high unemployment and low economic growth.

Nothing has been done to reign in legal costs, nothing has been done to reduce restrictions that prevent insurance companies from competing in all states. Nothing has been done to allow people true choices with their own money.

What you don't understand is that healthcare is an individual responsibility not a universal responsibility. Nothing in this bill lowers costs and improves care because bureaurcrats wrote the bill and all they are interested in is control and power.

 

[Conservative]

Let's not hijack yet another thread about this one.

It would be better off if you just kept quiet instead of trolling. Your typical one line responses are the actions of a troll.

 

[Conservative]

Too late... Too many psychos are already infected.

ricksfolly

Some very good news from the anti Fox, anti Beck, anti freedom of speech crowd

Cable News Ratings - TV Ratings, Nielsen Ratings, Television Show Ratings | TVbytheNumbers.com

I am sorry to all those who believe in freedom of speech only when it supports their perverted point of view. This really isn't good news at all. Notice Glenn Beck's ratings?

 

[Ockham]

Devastating numbers for the 5PM group. Beck is literally rubbing everyone elses nose in it.

 

[misterman]

It would be better off if you just kept quiet instead of trolling. Your typical one line responses are the actions of a troll.

If you want to go over the Clinton surplus yet again, I'm game. Start a new thread.

 

[Conservative]

If you want to go over the Clinton surplus yet again, I'm game. Start a new thread.

You brought up the Clinton "surplus" on this thread and seem obsessed by promoting that distortion of reality.

 

[Conservative]

Devastating numbers for the 5PM group. Beck is literally rubbing everyone elses nose in it.

Exactly and thus the silence from the anti Beck crowd as they have moved on to some other topic.

Fox News is on track to have the best quarter in their history as more and more people are dumping the distorted, biased reporting from other cable news networks.

 

[Boo Radley]

Actually the Democrats who oppose free enterprise and capitalism have derailed any attempts to increase competition into the healthcare bill. Massive govt. intrusion is the first step towards that utopian single payer system you want. soon we will be just like Europe, high unemployment and low economic growth.

Nothing has been done to reign in legal costs, nothing has been done to reduce restrictions that prevent insurance companies from competing in all states. Nothing has been done to allow people true choices with their own money.

What you don't understand is that healthcare is an individual responsibility not a universal responsibility. Nothing in this bill lowers costs and improves care because bureaurcrats wrote the bill and all they are interested in is control and power.

We can all any step a first step toward anything. But the fact is, there is no universal care in this bill. Nor is there any government take over. Health care has personal responsibility to be sure (which why individuals should buy health insurance). But it is a problem like any other, and can be tackled collectively. Doing so does not erase personal responsibility. It's a mistake many make.

BTW, no one writes any bill but "bureaucrats." Legislators are the ones who write law. I suspect they have more than one reason for writing any law. But your view seems a little too cynical and too often seems to mindlessly repeat static talking points.

Again, our point here was that there is no limit on profits in the bill.

 

[misterman]

You brought up the Clinton "surplus" on this thread and seem obsessed by promoting that distortion of reality.

I only brought it up because you lied about me never supporting my arguments. I clearly do. So get back on topic and start supporting yours for once.

 

[Conservative]

We can all any step a first step toward anything. But the fact is, there is no universal care in this bill. Nor is there any government take over. Health care has personal responsibility to be sure (which why individuals should buy health insurance). But it is a problem like any other, and can be tackled collectively. Doing so does not erase personal responsibility. It's a mistake many make.

BTW, no one writes any bill but "bureaucrats." Legislators are the ones who write law. I suspect they have more than one reason for writing any law. But your view seems a little too cynical and too often seems to mindlessly repeat static talking points.

Again, our point here was that there is no limit on profits in the bill.

What exactly is it going to take for you to wake up. This is incrementalism and you ignore it and refuse to acknowledge there are consequences for this action. You want so badly to believe what you are told is that you ignore history, you ignore the warts in this bill and simply say it is a "good" first step.

This is a multi trillion dollar bill that does nothing to improve quality and reduce costs that you call a good first step. No wonder this country is a mess today with people like you. When you say there are no limits on profits you ignore the basic principles which create profits, revenue minus expenses. If expenses go up prices go up profits drop if businesses are unable to pass those expenses on to the consumers.

Too many people are demonizing profits, demonizing the private sector, and promoting larger govt. all because they don't understand our economy or how to compete in society. No one can legislate personal responsibility and protect individuals for poor choices yet that is what you and your ilk are trying to do. What happens when you fail again?

 

[Conservative]

I only brought it up because you lied about me never supporting my arguments. I clearly do. So get back on topic and start supporting yours for once.

I don't lie and have proven you wrong over and over again, you simply troll and move on to some other topic.

 

[misterman]

I don't lie and have proven you wrong over and over again, you simply troll and move on to some other topic.

That's what you're doing right now. Drop it.

 

[Boo Radley]

What exactly is it going to take for you to wake up. This is incrementalism and you ignore it and refuse to acknowledge there are consequences for this action. You want so badly to believe what you are told is that you ignore history, you ignore the warts in this bill and simply say it is a "good" first step.

This is a multi trillion dollar bill that does nothing to improve quality and reduce costs that you call a good first step. No wonder this country is a mess today with people like you. When you say there are no limits on profits you ignore the basic principles which create profits, revenue minus expenses. If expenses go up prices go up profits drop if businesses are unable to pass those expenses on to the consumers.

Too many people are demonizing profits, demonizing the private sector, and promoting larger govt. all because they don't understand our economy or how to compete in society. No one can legislate personal responsibility and protect individuals for poor choices yet that is what you and your ilk are trying to do. What happens when you fail again?

Some people see the end of the world in a potato chip. Fear mongering gets some people to believe any silly thing that gets thrown out there. Those who jump in the fear boat are often little more than tools.

No one is demonizing profit here. There is no limit on profit in the bill. There is no socialism or universal care. There is no government take over. No death panels, no rationing, no Apocalypse.

 

[Conservative]

That's what you're doing right now. Drop it.

No, when you call me a liar I am not going to drop it. Get back on the thread topic and stop with the name calling.

 

[Conservative]

Some people see the end of the world in a potato chip. Fear mongering gets some people to believe any silly thing that gets thrown out there. Those who jump in the fear boat are often little more than tools.

No one is demonizing profit here. There is no limit on profit in the bill. There is no socialism or universal care. There is no government take over. No death panels, no rationing, no Apocalypse.

What is going to happen when all those insured individuals cannot get care due to the doctor shortages? Are you capable of thinking beyond the moment?

This is the incremental approach to getting to single payer. Profits are demonized everyday by politicians and people like you ignore the waste, fraud, abuse, and massive growth in the size of govt. all because you feel instead of think.

You and others have no concept of competition and the affects of competition on profit and margins. No one is going to claim that profits are going to be limited, people aren't going to get the care they need or require, and that the govt. isn't going to have to step in when govt. regulates business out of business.

You seem incapable of understanding the articles being posted daily by businesses around the country as to the affect of healthcare costs under this new bill on their business, thus prices, thus profits. Stop buying what you are told, read history, and learn how our economy works.

 

[misterman]

No, when you call me a liar I am not going to drop it. Get back on the thread topic and stop with the name calling.

Didn't call you a liar, I said you lie. One's a name, the other is an observation of behavior.

 

[Conservative]

Didn't call you a liar, I said you lie. One's a name, the other is an observation of behavior.

Simantics, one that you claim lies is indeed a liar and I am neither. You have yet to prove that I lie about anything because obviously you don't know the definition of a lie. Keep trolling.

lie1   /laɪ/ Show Spelled [lahy] Show IPA noun, verb,lied, ly·ing.
–noun
1.a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2.something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3.an inaccurate or false statement.
4.the charge or accusation of lying: He flung the lie back at his accusers.

 

[misterman]

Simantics, one that you claim lies is indeed a liar and I am neither. You have yet to prove that I lie about anything because obviously you don't know the definition of a lie. Keep trolling.

lie1   /laɪ/ Show Spelled [lahy] Show IPA noun, verb,lied, ly·ing.
–noun
1.a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2.something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3.an inaccurate or false statement.
4.the charge or accusation of lying: He flung the lie back at his accusers.

You can have the last word.

 

[Conservative]

Some people see the end of the world in a potato chip. Fear mongering gets some people to believe any silly thing that gets thrown out there. Those who jump in the fear boat are often little more than tools.

No one is demonizing profit here. There is no limit on profit in the bill. There is no socialism or universal care. There is no government take over. No death panels, no rationing, no Apocalypse.

Boo, some people like you believe it is the end of the world when people fail to accept their personal responsibility of buying their own health insurance. Democrats today are great at fearmongering and claiming those evil corporations are killing people when the reality is people are killing themselves through poor personal habits.

The answer to this group is bigger govt. and there is only one party promoting bigger govt. There is only one party demonizing profits and there is only one party that cares how much someone else makes.

You seem to have bought into that party ideology which is to redistribute wealth and spread misery equally to everyone else. I don't think it is your responsibility to pay for my insurance nor vice versa. That is something you fail to address.

With a doctor shortage, with higher taxes, with greater govt. involvement we are on the road to a single payer system and the problem seems to be is you don't have a problem with that. That basically ignores history and how govt. runs. Too bad your outrage isn't extended to the real problem, the size and growth of govt.

 

[BWG]

Notice how no one has jumped to your defense?

Why would I need an argumentum ad populum, when I'm right. There is nothing in this bill that "creates 16000+ IRS agents".

I am not going to post the links...

Not to worry, that's pretty much what I expected from you - nothing.

Why don't you help BWG prove me wrong regarding the money to fund IRS agents in this healthcare bill?

Oh, I see now - actually this isn't the first time, but that's another story - you like to crawfish when your position is unsupportable, because you're not enough of a man to acknowledge that you can't.

The objection to your statement was not about money. The objection was your statement - and I quote - "a bill that creates 16000+ IRS agents".

It's not there. Never has been. You got caught regurgitating Boehner garbage and it bit you in the ass.



adios

 

[misterman]

Democrats today are great at fearmongering and claiming those evil corporations are killing people

Now this is funny.

Death panels!

 

[Ockham]

It's come down to splitting hairs. Enforcement is going to be done by the IRS. There are close to 100 changes or notations to the IRS Tax Codes identified in HR3962. The actual number of IRS agents needed to take on this added responsibility? Unknown.
Technically, the bill does not identify the need for nor the authorization of additional IRS agents and it may be that the IRS themselves will not police Health Care but, one thing is sure... the government will have to hire many thousands of people to support such enforcement. That is done outside of the language of the bill. Specifically, these sections of HR3962 are of interest where fines, enforecement and "civilian penalty" are identified.

Section 307. Health Insuracne Exchange Trust Fund
(c)1(A-C) Page 196

Section 806, Regulations
(b)2(11)A-F

Title V, Sec 501

 

[Boo Radley]

Boo, some people like you believe it is the end of the world when people fail to accept their personal responsibility of buying their own health insurance. Democrats today are great at fearmongering and claiming those evil corporations are killing people when the reality is people are killing themselves through poor personal habits.

The answer to this group is bigger govt. and there is only one party promoting bigger govt. There is only one party demonizing profits and there is only one party that cares how much someone else makes.

You seem to have bought into that party ideology which is to redistribute wealth and spread misery equally to everyone else. I don't think it is your responsibility to pay for my insurance nor vice versa. That is something you fail to address.

With a doctor shortage, with higher taxes, with greater govt. involvement we are on the road to a single payer system and the problem seems to be is you don't have a problem with that. That basically ignores history and how govt. runs. Too bad your outrage isn't extended to the real problem, the size and growth of govt.

Oh, I suppose there is enough blame to around. I doubt it is just individuals or just insurance companies. But, you should be careful about talking in generalities. I know it makes things easier for you if you can make everyone who sees something different as a them, evil liberals or democrats. But people are a little less lock step than some like to believe.

And while I wish we simply had a single a payer system, as it would fix a good deal of our problems, such is not likely any time soon, no matter how often anyone runs around saying the sky is falling.