The Future is Electric

[OldFatGuy]

No, electricity has been around for over 14 Billion years.

Are you that dumb?

How long has it been since mankind harnessed the power of electricity?

Kind of stupid to respond with a snide remark when you knew what he meant.

Helen Keller was blind, deaf and dumb, but she wasn't stupid.

 

[calamity]

How long has it been since mankind harnessed the power of electricity?

Kind of stupid to respond with a snide remark when you knew what he meant.

Helen Keller was blind, deaf and dumb, but she wasn't stupid.

He should have written what he meant. You know, this is the place to do that sort of thing, right?

 

[OldFatGuy]

He should have written what he meant. You know, this is the place to do that sort of thing, right?

I understand you fail to see beyond your nose.

 

[calamity]

I understand you fail to see beyond your nose.

If you actually thought about what he said, you'd see past yours.

 

[aociswundumho]

If ever the industry solves the "battery problem" the gas/diesel powered vehicle is history.

It's not "if" it's "when". It's just an engineering problem, it will be solved one way or another.

 

[calamity]

It's not "if" it's "when". It's just an engineering problem, it will be solved one way or another.

5000 lbs worth of battery to carry a 200 lb man 500 miles is a long way from solved. Just saying.

 

[Individual]

Should robots be paid by the hour or by the quantity of production?

 

[OldFatGuy]

If you actually thought about what he said, you'd see past yours.

Could you come up with a more lame response? I understand repartee is difficult for the intellect challenged. But even for you, this is really a lame response.

 

[OldFatGuy]

It's not "if" it's "when". It's just an engineering problem, it will be solved one way or another.

Batteries News -- ScienceDaily

Energy source issues remain. Even with silicon chip thermal induction, energy need solutions remain elusive.

 

[What if...?]

You miss the point. Power for electric vehicles? Not the manufacturing.

Plugged in they could be charged when demand is low and drawn from when demand is high.

Grid storage. Capturing all that energy that goes to waste now if it isn't used as it is produced

This would require a big upgrade of our grid. But that's about it.

California is currently dialing down solar systems during g the day because there's not enough demand for what is being produced.

Lots of juice is made every day that never gets used. And if it isn't used it just disappears.

The grid storage potential is a huge plus from an electric vehicle fleet. And an electric fleet just keeps on rolling if a new energy source comes on line. Electric cars don't care where their electrons come from.

It's actually pretty elegant.

And performance electric vehicle power delivery is truly exhilarating!

 

[What if...?]

5000 lbs worth of battery to carry a 200 lb man 500 miles is a long way from solved. Just saying.

As "C" rate improves (C rate is charge/discharge rate. How fast a battery can be charged and discharged) battery banks can be smaller.

And even now range is more than enough for the great majority of commutes.

Once the tech gets to the point where you can go 200 miles and recharge in 15 minutes electrical will reach parity with ICEs.

I'm about to buy a hot rod electric "motorcycle". 110 pounds, 50 miles an hour, 30 mile range riding it like you stole it. It's called a Sur Ron. Chinese, but Japanese level build quality.

The tech is advancing by leaps and bounds.

 

[OldFatGuy]

Plugged in they could be charged when demand is low and drawn from when demand is high.

Grid storage. Capturing all that energy that goes to waste now if it isn't used as it is produced

This would require a big upgrade of our grid. But that's about it.

California is currently dialing down solar systems during g the day because there's not enough demand for what is being produced.

Lots of juice is made every day that never gets used. And if it isn't used it just disappears.

The grid storage potential is a huge plus from an electric vehicle fleet. And an electric fleet just keeps on rolling if a new energy source comes on line. Electric cars don't care where their electrons come from.

It's actually pretty elegant.

And performance electric vehicle power delivery is truly exhilarating!

E=MC2 Energy never disappears.

Musk's Tessla battery technology was supposed to resolve the grid storage problem. It failed.

Elegance isn't as important as dependability. A Lamborghini or Ferrari are elegant, but not practicable. Companies which have announced or are already selling hybrid or all electric vehicles are now hedging their bets with hydrogen systems in development. BMW recently track tested a hydrogen powered motorcycle which showed better performance than any motorcycle currently available.

My 8 year old Caddy does 0-60 in 4.1 seconds. A difficult number to beat. Great for getting from one red light to another. Freaks out the young souped up old Nissans and Toyotas the kids drive. Mayor Bill DeBlasio lowered to the street speed limit from 30 to 25 mph here, to prevent more pedestrian fatalities, yet those fatalities have risen, along with bicyclist deaths. Thank you Mayor Bill.

 

[calamity]

E=MC2 Energy never disappears.

Musk's Tessla battery technology was supposed to resolve the grid storage problem. It failed.

Elegance isn't as important as dependability. A Lamborghini or Ferrari are elegant, but not practicable. Companies which have announced or are already selling hybrid or all electric vehicles are now hedging their bets with hydrogen systems in development. BMW recently track tested a hydrogen powered motorcycle which showed better performance than any motorcycle currently available.

My 8 year old Caddy does 0-60 in 4.1 seconds. A difficult number to beat. Great for getting from one red light to another. Freaks out the young souped up old Nissans and Toyotas the kids drive. Mayor Bill DeBlasio lowered to the street speed limit from 30 to 25 mph here, to prevent more pedestrian fatalities, yet those fatalities have risen, along with bicyclist deaths. Thank you Mayor Bill.

Practical. :roll:

Tesla "S" series goes from 0-60 in 2.28 seconds, second only to Porsche's Spyder, which does it in 2.2.

List of fastest production cars by acceleration - Wikipedia

 

[Deuce]

Yes they all exist, but none offer sufficient energy to replace fossil fuels, even when combined. On the other hand, hydrogen burning engines make much more sense. Toyota and Kia are choosing that path. Plenty of H2O.

They offer plenty of energy, it's just a matter of applying the resources to extract that energy.

"Hydrogen burning" isn't really a fuel source. (you don't actually burn the hydrogen in those types of engines) That hydrogen should be thought of like a battery, because it takes energy to separate the hydrogen in water.

 

[Deuce]

For manufacturing, absolutely. And not necessarily in a humanoid form.

Robots are already making an appearance in the fast food industry. No minimum wages, no benefits, no erratic employees having social emergencies, no argumentative insubordinate employees, no spitting in the food, no racist messages on customer receipts. Cleaning robots in hospitals and supermarkets. Essential for precision assembly lines where human vision just doesn't cut it. There's a robotic "Elvis" performing marriage ceremonies in Las Vegas. Application is only limited by human imagination.

Precisely. So "robots replace human workers" is not a relevant issue here. Robots will replace workers in lots of different industries, that's not an argument against using renewable energy.

 

[Deuce]

This isn't an argument against using renewable energy.

 

[charliebrown]

Precisely. So "robots replace human workers" is not a relevant issue here. Robots will replace workers in lots of different industries, that's not an argument against using renewable energy.

Robots building cars. workers get laid off and cannot afford and do not need a car because they have no work. Robots go idle. End of life as we know it.

Just want to point out to everyone that an automobile is a very inefficient means of transportation even with the efficiency gain of electricity.
Trains and trolleys are the most efficient method of transportation and we are woefully neglect this method of transportation in current or future planning.

 

[charliebrown]

So we should give up the internal combustion engine for electric cars for which we will not have fuel?

OFG, you should not worry about fuel, there is a ton of it in this world and it can and will be harvested in the most efficient and economical way possible.

We waste a ton of it at this time, efficiency is another improvement coming.

Watch the video and you will see robots building electric cars. What the video does not show you is all the customer interested in buying those cars will be unemployed. They will not have the money or need for an electric car so there travel expenses and their energy expenses go down. After a year or two, they will not longer be able to afford the house they live in so they will move back with either their parents or their children and the energy consumption will drop by a fact of two. We will be living in smaller houses, we will be living closer to our fellow citizens, we will be driving less and walking more. We will be healthier and happier with this simple lifestyle. It will all be good.

 

[OldFatGuy]

Practical. :roll:

Maybe you missed it so here it is again "Great for getting from one red light to another." I paid $40k, not $929,000 for the Spyder or $120.2k for the Ludicrous Mode S.

 

[OldFatGuy]

They offer plenty of energy, it's just a matter of applying the resources to extract that energy.

"Hydrogen burning" isn't really a fuel source. (you don't actually burn the hydrogen in those types of engines) That hydrogen should be thought of like a battery, because it takes energy to separate the hydrogen in water.

Read up on the new hydrogen tech. The solution is chemical.

 

[OldFatGuy]

Precisely. So "robots replace human workers" is not a relevant issue here. Robots will replace workers in lots of different industries, that's not an argument against using renewable energy.

Follow the entire thread, don't just jump in with pronouncements.

 

[OldFatGuy]

This isn't an argument against using renewable energy.

See my response to your previous pronouncement.

 

[OldFatGuy]

OFG, you should not worry about fuel, there is a ton of it in this world and it can and will be harvested in the most efficient and economical way possible.

We waste a ton of it at this time, efficiency is another improvement coming.

Watch the video and you will see robots building electric cars. What the video does not show you is all the customer interested in buying those cars will be unemployed. They will not have the money or need for an electric car so there travel expenses and their energy expenses go down. After a year or two, they will not longer be able to afford the house they live in so they will move back with either their parents or their children and the energy consumption will drop by a fact of two. We will be living in smaller houses, we will be living closer to our fellow citizens, we will be driving less and walking more. We will be healthier and happier with this simple lifestyle. It will all be good.

I'm not worried, likely I'll be dead before this comes to fruition. But here's reality, as it stands our power grid will not be able to fuel fleets of electric cars. It could be at least 20 years, if not 50 or more before the grid is upgraded for efficiency or production. Your doomsday image of future housing was predicted every decade from the 1950's onward. There are already more than 600k millennial millionaires in this nation. They are just getting started. The nuclear family is not returning to our nation, the parents want their freedom. And mass transit in our urban centers is a joke. A bad joke.

 

[charliebrown]

I'm not worried, likely I'll be dead before this comes to fruition. But here's reality, as it stands our power grid will not be able to fuel fleets of electric cars. It could be at least 20 years, if not 50 or more before the grid is upgraded for efficiency or production. Your doomsday image of future housing was predicted every decade from the 1950's onward. There are already more than 600k millennial millionaires in this nation. They are just getting started. The nuclear family is not returning to our nation, the parents want their freedom. And mass transit in our urban centers is a joke. A bad joke.

The power grid is as antiquated as our rail system. If we get a more distributed power generation model, the grid will be much less costly and more reliable at the same time.
The power companies have been milking the grid infrastructure for entirely too long. The funny thing about it is this, they, the corporations who profit from the grid will say there is a national emergency and the grid need federal funding for major upgrades. We the tax payer will pay for it all while seeing our individual energy bills growing at the same time. Does not matter whether you are a DEM or a REP, the corps will buy your representatives and spin the story the way which will persuade us the voters to believe it. I really love our wonderful system of democracy.

 

[Deuce]

Read up on the new hydrogen tech. The solution is chemical.

Read up on thermodynamics. Those solutions improve the efficiency of gathering hydrogen, but the fundamental issue still stands.