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The Electoral College: Purpose, Problems, Alternatives

Rich2018 said:
Because anyone or any book saying Hitler or Stalin were liberals is ridiculous and totally lacks credibility - which you don't have either Btw
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Strong belief in government, structure and rules to govern all parts of every day life, societal shunning of those that step out of current wisdom, more and more power ceded to the state over individualism, education based in indoctrination.

There are a lot of similarities. The violence is obviously missing but that's slowly changing as well.
 
haymarket said:
Lincoln specifically talked about a government of the people, by the people and for the people. And the EC is a violation of that principle regardless if Lincoln was intoning the sentiment back in his day about the EC. The principle applies today.
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Baloney, that isn't even what Lincoln was talking about. You are taking his words and making a really god awful argument from authority. You can't seem to debate a thing without a logical fallacy being the pillar under the argument.
 
James972 said:
dear, look at human history!! people supported HItler Stalin and Mao just to name a tiny few recent examples.
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Either of your examples were Americans in the USA. Your post thus fails.
 
James972 said:
Tyranny of the majority - Wikipedia

Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia › wiki › Tyranny_of_the_majority
The tyranny of the majority is an inherent weakness of majority rule in which the majority of an ... American founding father Alexander Hamilton, writing to Thomas Jefferson from the ... A term used in Classical and Hellenistic Greece for oppressive popular rule was ochlocracy ("mob rule"); tyranny meant rule by one ...
‎Term · ‎Examples · ‎Concurrent majority · ‎Viewpoints
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In this country, that does not exist as the minority have specific rights to prevent tyranny.
 
James972 said:
then why did our genius Founders not give us a popular direct democracy????????? Madison gave us lots of checks and balances to guard against liberals taking over. Do you understand now??
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Because it was the 1700's and the educational level was very low and the egalitarian and democratic ideas which today permeate our system were not yet present.
 
OpportunityCost said:
I don't think even that will make it change. Do you really think states are going to give up their importance in electing the President to a majority of population decision? I really don't.
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When Republicans are bit in the ass by the EC the way Democrats have been five different times , they will shift their position and change.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Baloney, that isn't even what Lincoln was talking about. You are taking his words and making a really god awful argument from authority. You can't seem to debate a thing without a logical fallacy being the pillar under the argument.
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I gave you his exact words. If you chose to reject them, then that is on you.
 
haymarket said:
I gave you his exact words. If you chose to reject them, then that is on you.
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Stop the nonsense you are appropriating his words for your argument knowing full well Lincoln didn't mean them in the way you are arguing.

Its utterly dishonest bull****.
 
haymarket said:
When Republicans are bit in the ass by the EC the way Democrats have been five different times , they will shift their position and change.
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Your crystal ball predicted Hillary would win. Better send that thing back.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Stop the nonsense you are appropriating his words for your argument knowing full well Lincoln didn't mean them in the way you are arguing.

Its utterly dishonest bull****.
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Let me guess .... you just talked to him and he confided in you?
 
James972 said:
...the Nazi Green New Deal Depression is supported by liberals ...
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Again calling Nazis liberals...and why don't you like green?

...Madison wanted tiny govt ...
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Why, he didn't like welfare or immigration ?
Maybe because he lived in the pre-industrial, agrarian society of the 18th century when they still believed in witches.

...dear tyrannical govt has to be big if it is going to be tyrannical. Tyranny requires power. This is why Madison limited power. Now you've got the basic principle of America!
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So if a country had a small government it wouldn't be tyrannical ?

Like Louis XIV, Tsar Nicholas II, Genghis Khan, Pol Pot (who sought to create an agrarian socialist society), Al Capone

Whereas the giant administration of arch conservative Trump is a tyranny waiting to happen ?



In case you haven't noticed, tyrannies don't happen in democracies.


Why do I even talk to you - how old are you ?
 
Rich2018 said:
She should be president.

Imagine what Trump would say if he won 2.8 million more votes but not the presidency.

Rigged election ring a bell ?
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Exactly... it is a rigged system I think would be the words.
 
haymarket said:
Let me guess .... you just talked to him and he confided in you?
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No I read his speeches thoroughly, he never railed about the Electoral College. Gerrymandering, malapportionment of districts, and suffrage were the things he was speaking of.

BTW argument to ridicule, dismissed.
 
OpportunityCost said:
No I read his speeches thoroughly, he never railed about the Electoral College. Gerrymandering, malapportionment of districts, and suffrage were the things he was speaking of.

BTW argument to ridicule, dismissed.
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Sure you did. Did you see the one about a government of the people, by the people, and for the people? I think it was delivered at some little town in Pennsylvania.

Sometimes, pointing out the absurd is just the ticket. Maybe you should not take yourself quite so seriously?
 
OpportunityCost said:
No I read his speeches thoroughly, he never railed about the Electoral College. Gerrymandering, malapportionment of districts, and suffrage were the things he was speaking of.

BTW argument to ridicule, dismissed.
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Trust me, he would have done.
 
haymarket said:
Sure you did. Did you see the one about a government of the people, by the people, and for the people? I think it was delivered at some little town in Pennsylvania.

Sometimes, pointing out the absurd is just the ticket. Maybe you should not take yourself quite so seriously?
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Lincoln never complained or argued for changes to the Electoral College. If you want to present proof, feel free to present some. Now you are justifying a logical fallacy, fail.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Lincoln never complained or argued for changes to the Electoral College. If you want to present proof, feel free to present some. Now you are justifying a logical fallacy, fail.
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Never said he did. Take that straw man back into your barn and save it for another day.
 
haymarket said:
Never said he did. Take that straw man back into your barn and save it for another day.
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Yet, you take his quote and claim support from Lincoln that you absolutely cannot prove. Its such a **** argument its astounding you think its viable.

FYI---this is you claiming he supports your argument:
Sure you did. Did you see the one about a government of the people, by the people, and for the people? I think it was delivered at some little town in Pennsylvania
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PS, whats the over/under on Haymarket cycling back to this argument like he was never shot down like a meteor? 3 pages or 4?
 
Rich2018 said:
It was never legal in the UK in 1776 or any other year.
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Slavery was outlawed in the UK in 1807. I believe that comes after 1776. Slave Trade Act 1807 - Wikipedia

It was outlawed in the entire British empire in 1833, But still widely ignored in UK colonies with sugar plantations until well after the US Civil War.

I'm not even going to waste my time with the rest of your garbage. Enjoy the "L"
 
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