The Democrats Have Become Socialists

[Jack Hays]

This is an important turn of events. Will the Dems profit politically or regret their leap?

The Democrats have become socialists


Bernie Sanders rolled out his Medicare for All plan and was supported by 16 of his Senate Democratic colleagues.

• Dana Milbank
• ·
• 14 hours ago

When Bernie Sanders launched his bid for the Democratic nomination, he was often asked whether he, a democratic socialist, would actually become a Democrat. Now, more than a year after he ignited a movement with his unsuccessful bid, that question is moot. The Democrats have become socialists.
This became official, more or less, Wednesday afternoon, when Sanders rolled out his socialized health-care plan, Medicare for All, and he was supported by 16 of his Senate Democratic colleagues who signed on as co-sponsors, including the party’s rising stars and potential presidential candidates in 2020: Elizabeth Warren. Cory Booker. Kamala Harris. Kirsten Gillibrand.
Several of them dutifully joined Sanders, who is threatening another presidential run himself, at the rollout event in one of the largest hearing rooms on Capitol Hill and praised the guru of the single-payer movement for government-run universal health care. . . .

 

[What if...?]

This is an important turn of events. Will the Dems profit politically or regret their leap?

The Democrats have become socialists


Bernie Sanders rolled out his Medicare for All plan and was supported by 16 of his Senate Democratic colleagues.

• Dana Milbank
• ·
• 14 hours ago

When Bernie Sanders launched his bid for the Democratic nomination, he was often asked whether he, a democratic socialist, would actually become a Democrat. Now, more than a year after he ignited a movement with his unsuccessful bid, that question is moot. The Democrats have become socialists.
This became official, more or less, Wednesday afternoon, when Sanders rolled out his socialized health-care plan, Medicare for All, and he was supported by 16 of his Senate Democratic colleagues who signed on as co-sponsors, including the party’s rising stars and potential presidential candidates in 2020: Elizabeth Warren. Cory Booker. Kamala Harris. Kirsten Gillibrand.
Several of them dutifully joined Sanders, who is threatening another presidential run himself, at the rollout event in one of the largest hearing rooms on Capitol Hill and praised the guru of the single-payer movement for government-run universal health care. . . .

Well, when capitalism only works for some at the expense of the rest, that's what can happen.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

We have mostly a socialist medical system now. And yes, we had it even before ACA. You show up for medical treatment at an E.R. with no HI, you will get treated, and taxpayers and people with HI will pay your bill.

It's been like that forever, but hey there was no Black guys 'name' attached to it. Or there was no evil 'Dem socialist' trying to figure out a better way for people to pay the medical bills.

So that form of socialized medicine was cool. It is ineffectual as hell, but no Dem is/was attached to it so it's cool.

 

[MrWonka]

This is an important turn of events. Will the Dems profit politically or regret their leap?

If you don't like it maybe you shouldn't have bitched so much about the much more reasonable free market-based plans offered by President Obama and Hillary Clinton. There are only two ways this goes. 1.) the ACA(Obamacare) I'm proved in a way that lowers premiums and deductables for more people without kicking poor people off. Or you're going to get medicare for all. It's not question of if, it's a question of when, and which one do you prefer. Every second Republicans waste denying this reality they're just pushing us closer to socialized Medicine.

Republicans refused to help Obama solve our health care problems despite the fact that he put forth a bill that was modeled after all of their ideas and passed by Mitt Romney in Mass. Now they have control of the house, control of the Senate, and the Presidency, and they're waking up to the reality that repealing and replacing was a nice talking point for the last eight years, but it's not going to happen without forcing them to owen a far worse bill that hurts millions of their own voters.

If Medicare for all becomes a reality Republicans will have nobody to blame but themselves for not doing more to help solve these problems in a freer market-based way.

 

[MaggieD]

Well, when capitalism only works for some at the expense of the rest, that's what can happen.

Same can be said for socialism. Nothing is perfect. At least with capitalism, I have a fair chance to soar.

 

[KevinKohler]

Same can be said for socialism. Nothing is perfect. At least with capitalism, I have a fair chance to soar.

Problem is, we don't have capitalism.

We've socialized the risk, and privatized the reward.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

This is an important turn of events. Will the Dems profit politically or regret their leap?

The Democrats have become socialists


Bernie Sanders rolled out his Medicare for All plan and was supported by 16 of his Senate Democratic colleagues.

• Dana Milbank
• ·
• 14 hours ago

When Bernie Sanders launched his bid for the Democratic nomination, he was often asked whether he, a democratic socialist, would actually become a Democrat. Now, more than a year after he ignited a movement with his unsuccessful bid, that question is moot. The Democrats have become socialists.
This became official, more or less, Wednesday afternoon, when Sanders rolled out his socialized health-care plan, Medicare for All, and he was supported by 16 of his Senate Democratic colleagues who signed on as co-sponsors, including the party’s rising stars and potential presidential candidates in 2020: Elizabeth Warren. Cory Booker. Kamala Harris. Kirsten Gillibrand.
Several of them dutifully joined Sanders, who is threatening another presidential run himself, at the rollout event in one of the largest hearing rooms on Capitol Hill and praised the guru of the single-payer movement for government-run universal health care. . . .

Simply supporting single-payer doesn't make anyone, dems or otherwise, 'socialist', as Milbank should already know.

No 'leap into socialism' is occurring, to anyone who understands what socialism is.

 

[iliveonramen]

Basically the whole world is socialist and only the US and a couple of rogue totalitarian regimes are "free" if Universal healthcare makes you a socialist.

For how fantastic our system it, I notice a lot of nations aren't racing to adopt it.

 

[RickJames3000]

While we might note that the OP has made a rare departure from shilling for the fossil fuels industry, we must recognize that he continues to demonstrate his failure to apprehend the issues he posts about.

 

[What if...?]

Same can be said for socialism. Nothing is perfect. At least with capitalism, I have a fair chance to soar.

Its just in need of a four hundred year service.

Capitalism is a made up thing.

And people have figured out how to game it.

Greed is an addiction. So is the hunger for power.

Until we admit this to ourselves history is going to repeat itself.

 

[bubbabgone]

If healthcare is a right why do they lean so far left they're gonna fall off the stage.

 

[Jack Hays]

Simply supporting single-payer doesn't make anyone, dems or otherwise, 'socialist', as Milbank should already know.

No 'leap into socialism' is occurring, to anyone who understands what socialism is.

While we might note that the OP has made a rare departure from shilling for the fossil fuels industry, we must recognize that he continues to demonstrate his failure to apprehend the issues he posts about.

I'm sure Dana Milbank would appreciate the benefit of your insights.

Dana Milbank writes about political theater in the nation’s capital. He joined The Post as a political reporter in 2000, after two years as a senior editor of The New Republic and eight years with the Wall Street Journal. He is also the author of three political books: Tears of a Clown (2010), Homo Politicus (2008) and Smashmouth (2001). He lives in Washington.

 

[RickJames3000]

I'm sure Dana Milbank would appreciate the benefit of your insights.

Why would Dana Millbank be interested in your inability to understand a basic political term like "socialism"? After all, he doesn't seem to grasp the concept himself.

You aren't making any sense, Jack.

 

[Jack Hays]

If you don't like it maybe you shouldn't have bitched so much about the much more reasonable free market-based plans offered by President Obama and Hillary Clinton. There are only two ways this goes. 1.) the ACA(Obamacare) I'm proved in a way that lowers premiums and deductables for more people without kicking poor people off. Or you're going to get medicare for all. It's not question of if, it's a question of when, and which one do you prefer. Every second Republicans waste denying this reality they're just pushing us closer to socialized Medicine.

Republicans refused to help Obama solve our health care problems despite the fact that he put forth a bill that was modeled after all of their ideas and passed by Mitt Romney in Mass. Now they have control of the house, control of the Senate, and the Presidency, and they're waking up to the reality that repealing and replacing was a nice talking point for the last eight years, but it's not going to happen without forcing them to owen a far worse bill that hurts millions of their own voters.

If Medicare for all becomes a reality Republicans will have nobody to blame but themselves for not doing more to help solve these problems in a freer market-based way.

You are uninformed. I'd rather have single payer than the incoherent mishmash that is Obamacare, regardless of where its ideas came from. My real preference was the system before Obamacare, just as it was, but that's not coming back.

 

[Jack Hays]

Why would Dana Millbank be interested in your inability to understand a basic political term like "socialism"? After all, he doesn't seem to grasp the concept himself.

You aren't making any sense, Jack.

Perhaps you did not read what he wrote: The Democrats have become socialists.

I don't have a dog in this fight.

 

[RickJames3000]

Perhaps you did not read what he wrote: The Democrats have become socialists.

I don't have a dog in this fight.

Are you with Millbank in mischaracterizing the expansion of medicare as "socialism"?

 

[Jack Hays]

We have mostly a socialist medical system now. And yes, we had it even before ACA. You show up for medical treatment at an E.R. with no HI, you will get treated, and taxpayers and people with HI will pay your bill.

It's been like that forever, but hey there was no Black guys 'name' attached to it. Or there was no evil 'Dem socialist' trying to figure out a better way for people to pay the medical bills.

So that form of socialized medicine was cool. It is ineffectual as hell, but no Dem is/was attached to it so it's cool.

I liked the old system. Inefficient? Yes, but no one was coerced. As someone with good health coverage I was happy to subsidize those without. That system is sadly not coming back. Given the available choices I'd prefer single payer over the incoherent mishmash that is Obamacare.

 

[Jack Hays]

Are you with Millbank in mischaracterizing the expansion of medicare as "socialism"?

I don't care in the slightest. I simply find it to be an interesting turn of events politically.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

I liked the old system. Inefficient? Yes, but no one was coerced. As someone with good health coverage I was happy to subsidize those without. That system is sadly not coming back. Given the available choices I'd prefer single payer over the incoherent mishmash that is Obamacare.

I agree with what I highlighted. .

But I don't understand your point that in the 'old system' you were OK with subsidizing people without HI, but then you started this thread, where you seem to be criticizing the Dems for 'socialize medicine'? You subsidizing people was fairly socialist too.

Edit--- Your post above this 1 seems to answer my question. Carry on... lol

 

[MrWonka]

You are uninformed. I'd rather have single payer than the incoherent mishmash that is Obamacare, regardless of where its ideas came from. My real preference was the system before Obamacare, just as it was, but that's not coming back.

Well then you're more of a socialist than the average Democrat because while large swaths of the Democratic party do want single payer, the majority still seems very leary of it, and believes it should be a last resort.

 

[Jack Hays]

Well then you're more of a socialist than the average Democrat because while large swaths of the Democratic party do want single payer, the majority still seems very leary of it, and believes it should be a last resort.

For me the matter is interesting as a political issue. I'm indifferent to the socialist/not socialist question.

 

[countryboy]

This is an important turn of events. Will the Dems profit politically or regret their leap?

The Democrats have become socialists


Bernie Sanders rolled out his Medicare for All plan and was supported by 16 of his Senate Democratic colleagues.

• Dana Milbank
• ·
• 14 hours ago

When Bernie Sanders launched his bid for the Democratic nomination, he was often asked whether he, a democratic socialist, would actually become a Democrat. Now, more than a year after he ignited a movement with his unsuccessful bid, that question is moot. The Democrats have become socialists.
This became official, more or less, Wednesday afternoon, when Sanders rolled out his socialized health-care plan, Medicare for All, and he was supported by 16 of his Senate Democratic colleagues who signed on as co-sponsors, including the party’s rising stars and potential presidential candidates in 2020: Elizabeth Warren. Cory Booker. Kamala Harris. Kirsten Gillibrand.
Several of them dutifully joined Sanders, who is threatening another presidential run himself, at the rollout event in one of the largest hearing rooms on Capitol Hill and praised the guru of the single-payer movement for government-run universal health care. . . .

"Have become"? Where the **** have you been for the last couple of decades? :roll:

 

[Linc]

While we might note that the OP has made a rare departure from shilling for the fossil fuels industry, we must recognize that he continues to demonstrate his failure to apprehend the issues he posts about.

He's just looking for an election cudgel; one that will backfire on GOPs in next year's elections ...

 

[Jack Hays]

He's just looking for an election cudgel; one that will backfire on GOPs in next year's elections ...

Please read the thread. I have no dog in the fight. It's an open question whether Dems or Repubs will benefit from this. Or both or neither. I'm indifferent.

 

[Linc]

For me the matter is interesting as a political issue. I'm indifferent to the socialist/not socialist question.

Sen. McCain's hero was Teddy Roosevelt, who did his best to reign in corrupt crony capitalism, the Bain of our economic problems ...