The Coronavirus Is the Worst Intelligence Failure in U.S. History (1 Viewer)

[eman623]

Impeach Trump!

 

[snakestretcher]

Those millions should have made better life choices.

Could you have posted anything more stupid?

 

[Drawdown]

Martial law or a very real potential you could die? Your choice.

I have the power to declare martial law? Who knew

 

[snakestretcher]

Impeach Trump!

Too late, he already was and will remain so forever-or did you miss it?

 

[Jack Hays]

It's a DEADLY failure. But rather than admit the real reason America is looking more like Italy's infection rate than South Korea's,
Trump supporters will somehow blame our misery on Schumer, Pelosi, Obama, or Clinton, or Biden or Sanders--ANYONE other than the current occupant in the White House.
The cult-like support for this president is hard to understand. But of course even in Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia there have always been solid supporters despite ample proof of wrongdoing.

There's plenty of blame to go around, Trump included but not alone. Had he moved hard against the Chinese in January he would have been accused of trying to divert attention from impeachment. Henry Kissinger once pointed out that the problem with preemptive action is that if you're successful then the preempted threat never materializes, and you're criticized for your aggressive, provocative behavior.

 

[upsideguy]

The virus is all Trump's fault?

No, but his response to it is.... starting with doing very little for two months, denying the severity of the problem and not taking control of a federal response.

 

[snakestretcher]

I have the power to declare martial law? Who knew

Who knew you couldn't understand basic English?

 

[Drawdown]

Sounds like Reagan trickel down economics 101...let them eat Taco Bell!

the dollar menu at McD's is a better bargain as far as calories per dollar

 

[prometeus]

The virus is all Trump's fault?

NO, the VERY POOR initial response and lack of preparedness IS.

 

[Drawdown]

Could you have posted anything more stupid?

Yes. I could have cut and pasted any of your comments but that would be plagiarism.

 

[Erod]

Approval means ****-especially when it comes from idiots supporting an incompetent moron. It's ok though, Trump says it's business as usual come Easter:lamo

You have to be multiple levels of deranged, corrupt, and ignorant to blame this crisis on Trump.

Normal people see through you.

 

[Erod]

NO, the VERY POOR initial response and lack of preparedness IS.

No, it is not. How do you prepare for the need for a million respirators? What president has done that?

Obama watched idly as 61 million Americans caught the H1N1 virus. 25,000 died. He did nothing, other than "declare an emergency," which meant absolutely nothing. You were silent.

This says more about you people than it does Trump.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

If the POTUS had put the entire country under martial law because of one case, people would have lost their ****.

Had they used the time we had between the outbreak in China and the outbreak in the United States to ensure we had adequate testing in place, we could have contained this outbreak like South Korea did without shutting down our economy. That is a failure of the Trump Administration no matter how you slice it.

 

[Jack Hays]

NO, the VERY POOR initial response and lack of preparedness IS.

There's plenty of blame to go around, Trump included but not alone. Had he moved hard against the Chinese in January he would have been accused of trying to divert attention from impeachment. Henry Kissinger once pointed out that the problem with preemptive action is that if you're successful then the preempted threat never materializes, and you're criticized for your aggressive, provocative behavior.

 

[dcaraz]

Martial law or a very real potential you could die? Your choice.

WE love having our choice. But that isn't smart in the midst of an epidemic.
The fact that so many red-blooded Americans insist on having everything their way is why I am glad some states -- including here in New York --
have governors who recognize a life-altering threat and act accordingly. Leadership can make all the difference.

Last week, we saw throngs of partying folks hangin' in the French Quarter, whopping it up.
Today, Louisiana's governor (who failed to close down the bars) now recognizes that his state does not have adequate hospital beds
for the growing surge of sick. Too late!

 

[snakestretcher]

You have to be multiple levels of deranged, corrupt, and ignorant to blame this crisis on Trump.

Normal people see through you.

I'm not blaming Trump for the virus; I'm blaming him for his reckless incompetence-like stating that all will be back to normal by Easter.

 

[eman623]

Too late, he already was and will remain so forever-or did you miss it?

Impeach Trump - again!

 

[Drawdown]

Had they used the time we had between the outbreak in China and the outbreak in the United States to ensure we had adequate testing in place, we could have contained this outbreak like South Korea did without shutting down our economy. That is a failure of the Trump Administration no matter how you slice it.

Pearl clutching at its finest right there ^. Trump did not design the system that made one lab in Atlanta ground zero for testing results. What they did do was try to come up with a better testing kit that could be used nationally. Unfortunately it did not work out. We have a highly fragmented health care model in the US without uniformity of equipment, training, and capabilities. That is not Trump's fault either. They continue to work on that test kit as well as test at home kits, but declaring we should already have them is a lot easier than actually inventing them.

 

[prometeus]

No, it is not.

It is regardless of your denial and by any honest metric.

How do you prepare for the need for a million respirators?

By having more than what exists now and by acting with better preventative measures.

What president has done that?

This is about Trump.

Obama watched idly

So if he was an asshole all you are saying is that Trump is just another asshole.

You were silent.

HOw the **** would you know what I did?

This says more about you people than it does Trump.

No it says everything about Trump and his devoted ass kissers.

 

[humbolt]

QUOTE=southwest88;1071568062]President Wilson? No, the federal government was only a shadow then of what it's become since WWII. & Wilson spent a lot of time & effort wrecking what federal government there was - resegregating & racially purging the federal bureaucracy, for instance. & microbiology was poorly understood @ the time, the tools & procedures simply weren't there.

One of the modern theories about that flu is that it arose in Kansas, I think it was. The US Army's casual movement of trainloads & shiploads of soldiers (packed together, living practically in each other's lap), from base to base, & overseas, exacerbated the spread of the flu, helping to turn it into a world pandemic. There was a lot of flailing about & useless - even dangerous mistaken efforts made to fight the disease. Eventually, we did learn to provide medical support to patients (we trained a lot of nurses on a crash basis) & wait out the course of the disease. But a lot of people died.[/QUOTE]

We've had intelligence functions since before we existed as a country. While I agree we didn't have such a large and pervasive federal presence in our society back then, that diesn't dismiss the failure to prevent the spread of the flu - at least within the context of the OP.

In truth, the coronavirus was likely here in the US before we would have time to do much about it. The first recorded case in the US was in Washington state on January 19th - a day before China elected yo confirm human to human transmission.

 

[jmotivator]

NO, the VERY POOR initial response and lack of preparedness IS.

It wasn't a poor initial response. You need it to be, but it wasn't. This disease has a R0 nearly twice that of the common Flu, but there are clearly far fewer COVID cases in the US than their are flu. Or, conversely, if the actual total infects are the same as an average year of the flu, 15 million by this point in flu season, then COVID-19 severity is over estimated in the US by a lot.

The problem is that the people who scream about shutting the country down and quarantining everyone are the same who were resisting quarantining the US from China and Europe.

We were planning to address the illness back when the WHO was still telling everyone that COVID was had a low human-to-human transmission rate.

 

[prometeus]

There's plenty of blame to go around

Yes there is.

Trump included but not alone.

Never said that he alone.

Had he moved hard against the Chinese in January...

Had ne not downplayed it so much and acted in other areas we would still be a LOT BETTER off.

 

[dcaraz]

There's plenty of blame to go around, Trump included but not alone. Had he moved hard against the Chinese in January he would have been accused of trying to divert attention from impeachment. Henry Kissinger once pointed out that the problem with preemptive action is that if you're successful then the preempted threat never materializes, and you're criticized for your aggressive, provocative behavior.

Only true Trump haters would insist that POTUS was solely to blame for America getting bushwhacked by Covid-19.
Being the statesman that he is Mr. Trump would never divert attention from his impeachment because he is a student of American governmental affairs.
But as I recall, Mr. K helped Nixon lie to the nation while we carpet bombed multiple nations. Evidently this was a preemptive effort to thwart the Vietcong invasion of California.

 

[dcaraz]

Exactly!

 

[prometeus]

It wasn't a poor initial response.

Right, you saying no changes everything. Why did you not say it sooner?