The Coronavirus is not Trump's fault!

[HumblePi]

So Trump made the 'choice' to send people there without any safety gear? And they were working alongside CDC personnel that were in full gear? IF true it wasnt very bright on lots of levels, most specifically on those HHS people who went in with no protection. Im no expert on disease control but I wouldnt need someone to tell me to not go into an area under quarantine without protection. You would think the CDC people would have prevented them from doing so. Either way, none have shown signs of the virus and it is not the evidence of 'poor choices' that you claim it is.

You have this all wrong. I don't know where you're getting your information but these health care workers did indeed have the suits, gloves and masks. That's elementary equipment for any infection control team. There may have been other PPE (personal protection equipment) that they lacked, it hasn't been specified in the whistle-blower's report. What she did specify is that they were not provided safety-protocol training until five days into their assignment. She also reported that some of the exposed staff members moved freely around and off the bases, with at least one person staying in a nearby hotel and leaving California on a commercial flight. Many were unaware of the need to test their temperatures three times a day.

Understanding the intensity and ease of transference of this virus, these factors may possibly be a major contributor to the spread of the virus.

Her statement:

“I soon began to field panicked calls from my leadership team and deployed staff members expressing concerns with the lack of H.H.S. communication and coordination, staff being sent into quarantined areas without personal protective equipment, training or experience in managing public health emergencies, safety protocols and the potential danger to both themselves and members of the public they come into contact with,”

 

[Fletch]

Trump's an incompetent, and ultimately responsible, it comes with the job. He also puts incompetent people in place, that's on him.
If you read my original post on the subject I said it could lead to more contamination, which could have been avoided with competent people in charge instead.
It's painfully obvious, except to obfuscators, that this chain of incompetence has led to additional danger for the spread of the disease in the U.S., which was unnecessary. Sometimes in crises you have to make risky decisions, but this was just incompetence.

Whats painfully obvious is that you hate Trump and are using this virus as yet another attempt to attack the man. You know that the real incompetents are the democrat challengers that you know have no chance of beating him this fall. You have thrown everything at the guy imaginable and he has beaten you every time. This is just the latest pathetic, desperate attempt, but its all you guys have left.

 

[element94]

Whats painfully obvious is that you hate Trump and are using this virus as yet another attempt to attack the man. You know that the real incompetents are the democrat challengers that you know have no chance of beating him this fall. You have thrown everything at the guy imaginable and he has beaten you every time. This is just the latest pathetic, desperate attempt, but its all you guys have left.

No need to get hysterical.

 

[lemmiwinx]

US is virus free except for expats brought back from overseas. Trump deserves accolades are you not glad you don't live in Iran or Italy?

 

[Fletch]

You have this all wrong. I don't know where you're getting your information but these health care workers did indeed have the suits, gloves and masks. That's elementary equipment for any infection control team. There may have been other PPE (personal protection equipment) that they lacked, it hasn't been specified in the whistle-blower's report. What she did specify is that they were not provided safety-protocol training until five days into their assignment. She also reported that some of the exposed staff members moved freely around and off the bases, with at least one person staying in a nearby hotel and leaving California on a commercial flight. Many were unaware of the need to test their temperatures three times a day.

Understanding the intensity and ease of transference of this virus, these factors may possibly be a major contributor to the spread of the virus.

Her statement:

“I soon began to field panicked calls from my leadership team and deployed staff members expressing concerns with the lack of H.H.S. communication and coordination, staff being sent into quarantined areas without personal protective equipment, training or experience in managing public health emergencies, safety protocols and the potential danger to both themselves and members of the public they come into contact with,”

I get it Humble. You hate the guy and will grasp any straw you can in an effort to destroy him. This sounds like a typical bureaucratic F-up that one would expect from such a bloated government agency. And exactly the reason why I oppose massive government. But as far as arguments go, yours is weak and its lame but its all youve got, so you run with it. Maybe somewhere in Trumps second term you will wise up, although my money is on that not happening.

 

[Fletch]

No need to get hysterical.

Im not so you must be projecting.

 

[ArtemisBarca]

Trump did not create the coronavirus so blaming him for it is just stupid. What we do need to see though is how his administration handles what could be a pandemic. Trump needs to lose the it will hurt the stock market and get to work preparing the country for what might happen. People say we are overblowing this possible problem. I believe it is better to over prepare and not have a serious problem with this virus, than not be prepared and have it kill thousands of Ameicans, wouldn't you? So eveyone get down off he politics of this possible crisis and let the administration do what they can. Complaining about what Trump has done in the past that might make this a larger problem is not going to help.

He did fire the US pandemic response team.. lol


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[Fletch]

Trump has already frigged it up.

The entire reason why Obama opted for response teams which Trump cut out of his administration is because we are NOT CHINA. China is not a free society. So they can simply lock down and barricade entire cities larger than NY and nobody is going to blink an eye in China.

Here, we prepare. Its really our only defense. We gather data. We conduct on site tests, not only in the US but in countries that are already experiencing a virus outbreak. So who in Trump's idiot administration did not realize that preparation is the only defense we have.

Its a trumpian cluster and this so called team under somebody is still doing nothing substantive at this point. They are arguing about titles at the moment and still today Trump and his toadies are talking like its all good. Nothing to worry about folks when in fact they have no clue.

Trumpkin and his idiot administration should have been out a month ago if not earlier. As it is:
- the State Dept has not announced No travel advisories for enough countries even today
- we are not doing nearly enough testing within our own borders, even today. Not even close on this one
- we have no idea how many carriers there are within our own borders at this point BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT BEEN TESTING
- we are basically where Germany is since they are also now onto community transmission. Only dif, we won't admit to ourselves. Germany has
- Trump's HHS bungled the staffing of greeters for those coming back on the planes we sent out to grab up Americans that had been exposed (probably causative to one aspect of our own community transmission problem). We sent the staffers out there with no training and no protective gear, then turned them loose in Cal without testing them.
- the State Dept for some unknown oblivious reason decided to bring back infected patients with those that had not as yet been tested as infected ON THE SAME PLANE with nothing more than a plastic screen up between them in the same passenger cabin. Trump probably drew that up with his magic sharpie
- we don't have enough test kits, enough protective gear for healthcare providers and we don't have enough drug remedies to keep even reasonable numbers of patients comfortable and their symptoms at bay.
- we have an administration that thinks it makes sense to keep scientists and health officials from talking directly to the public. Now, dumb as a tree stump Pence approves all statements

So Sorry, not willing to give them a pass. Trumpkin has gotten enough passes in the last three years and he has finally run into something that does not care about his bullcrap, a virus.

Its down to us now. Its down to personal hygiene and travel plans because our government has already FAILED to protect us.

:cuckoo:

 

[ArtemisBarca]

No one is saying he created the virus, however, how he has handled it already and how he will handle it affects people in the US. Previously, he has been dismissive of the urgency of this situation and has now even muddled words along of the lines of Maybe it will just go away. Does that sound helpful?

That is conservatism 101...

pretend Democrats/the left/whoever trump is mad at lol, is pushing a policy that no one is really pushing and debate that instead of anything relevant ...


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[beancounter]

Appointing the anti science Pence to "lead" the effort demonstrates his lack of leadership on the issue.

 

[ArtemisBarca]

Trump did not create the coronavirus so blaming him for it is just stupid. What we do need to see though is how his administration handles what could be a pandemic. Trump needs to lose the it will hurt the stock market and get to work preparing the country for what might happen. People say we are overblowing this possible problem. I believe it is better to over prepare and not have a serious problem with this virus, than not be prepared and have it kill thousands of Ameicans, wouldn't you? So eveyone get down off he politics of this possible crisis and let the administration do what they can. Complaining about what Trump has done in the past that might make this a larger problem is not going to help.

Did Fox News tell you people thought trump created the corona virus?!?!!

And you believed them?!?!


Lmao


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[ArtemisBarca]

It is the democrats fault for opposing travel bans before this started and having big blue cities full of foreigners.

That said, this does have the potential to transform work in a good way. If forced to, employers who having been lagging might learn the value of more people telecommuting. The savings in toilet paper and flushes will be huge.

China was not on the travel ban list?!?


Did Fox News tell you that was a good argument lol?!?!

And you believed them?!!!


BWAHAHAHAHA


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[element94]

Im not so you must be projecting.

If my post could be described as hysterical it would've sounded like yours. Instead it was a layout of Trump's incompetence backed up with evidence you can get from any competent news source.
This is how you guys always get when the evidence is overwhelming of Trump's incompetence, you deny, you deflect back or project, and ultimately end up looking like the boot-lickers that you are. If you are still supporting Trump, denying for him, and continuing to lie for him at this late date, you hate democracy. But you're probably just a Russia troll.

 

[Fletch]

If my post could be described as hysterical it would've sounded like yours. Instead it was a layout of Trump's incompetence backed up with evidence you can get from any competent news source.
This is how you guys always get when the evidence is overwhelming of Trump's incompetence, you deny, you deflect back or project, and ultimately end up looking like the boot-lickers that you are. If you are still supporting Trump, denying for him, and continuing to lie for him at this late date, you hate democracy. But you're probably just a Russia troll.

Yup, projection pure and simple.

 

[j brown's body]

Short of mass-producing a vaccine in time (soon) to distribute freely, I don't believe there's a thing that anyone can do to stop this disease now. Trump's response looks like he cares more about the market's reaction, which may hurt his electability this Nov.

True to form.

 

[element94]

Yup, projection pure and simple.

Heh heh, I knew that's all you would have.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

Soooo because Trump acted like a 10 year old in 2014, you and the rest of the left get to act like 10 year olds today. Ok, fair enough. We agree. The left are behaving like a bunch of 10 year olds.

Trump and his grown son still act like 10 year olds.

Anyway sitting back and taking the high road by letting hateful people like the Limbaughs and Hannitys and Trumps insult, lie, and spew conspiracy nonsense about the Dems hasn't worked for the Dems in the past.. So yeah, IMO it's about time they too act like 10 YO's, and insult, and name call, and spew propaganda all they want.

Did you hear that Pence and Trump frequent a Mexican restaurant that is involved in human trafficking and porn? It's being called 'Tacogate'.. Fox won't run with it like they did with the Pizzagate stuff, but it'll come out.. Wait and see..

 

[HumblePi]

I get it Humble. You hate the guy and will grasp any straw you can in an effort to destroy him. This sounds like a typical bureaucratic F-up that one would expect from such a bloated government agency. And exactly the reason why I oppose massive government. But as far as arguments go, yours is weak and its lame but its all youve got, so you run with it. Maybe somewhere in Trumps second term you will wise up, although my money is on that not happening.

What are you talking about? Do you even know? My comment was to YOU, to set YOU straight on some of those 'pesky details' that you tend to overlook. It had nothing whatsoever to do with Trump.

 

[Fletch]

Trump and his grown son still act like 10 year olds.

Anyway sitting back and taking the high road by letting hateful people like the Limbaughs and Hannitys and Trumps insult, lie, and spew conspiracy nonsense about the Dems hasn't worked for the Dems in the past.. So yeah, IMO it's about time they too act like 10 YO's, and insult, and name call, and spew propaganda all they want.

Did you hear that Pence and Trump frequent a Mexican restaurant that is involved in human trafficking and porn? It's being called 'Tacogate'.. Fox won't run with it like they did with the Pizzagate stuff, but it'll come out.. Wait and see..

Look, thats fine. You and the rest of the left are acting like 10 year olds. Its nice that you and I can finally agree on something.

 

[Fletch]

What are you talking about? Do you even know? My comment was to YOU, to set YOU straight on some of those 'pesky details' that you tend to overlook. It had nothing whatsoever to do with Trump.

Youre like the arm chair quarterback who gripes about the coach calling a bad play on a 4th and 1. All the while ignoring the fact the his team is winning the Superbowl. You hate trump so you focus exclusively on any flaw or mistake you can find. Its silly.

 

[RealityNow]

It is the democrats fault for opposing travel bans before this started and having big blue cities full of foreigners. ( to your comment: > uch: )

That said, this does have the potential to transform work in a good way. If forced to, employers who having been lagging might learn the value of more people telecommuting. The savings in toilet paper and flushes will be huge.

I doubt a companies water bill and toilet paper has ever impacted your hourly pay.... Geez!!!!!

 

[independentusa]

I am not saying you are pro-trump generally. I am saying you are wrong to say trump shouldn't be held accountable for years of dismantling our preparedness that is ALREADY clearly harmful. Of COURSE he's accountable for that. You want destroying the government not to get criticized?

I di not say that Trump should not be accountable, what I am saying is that is not going to change what we do in the future. We can go on laying blame or do something about the problem.

 

[independentusa]

So Trump made the 'choice' to send people there without any safety gear? And they were working alongside CDC personnel that were in full gear? IF true it wasnt very bright on lots of levels, most specifically on those HHS people who went in with no protection. Im no expert on disease control but I wouldnt need someone to tell me to not go into an area under quarantine without protection. You would think the CDC people would have prevented them from doing so. Either way, none have shown signs of the virus and it is not the evidence of 'poor choices' that you claim it is.

Did I say that it was trump's fault. You asked what mistakes have been named and I told you just one. If you inffred it is Trump's fault, that is on you, not me. I am saying that mistakes have been made and we need to do better. It was the administrations fault that the 14 infected members were on the plane with uninfected people. The CDC did not want that to happen but the Trump administration ordered it to be so. Again, no one knows if the order came from Trump or just a subordinate.

 

[independentusa]

US is virus free except for expats brought back from overseas. Trump deserves accolades are you not glad you don't live in Iran or Italy?

YOur message reminds me of those who praise the Trump economy. Trump has done nothing that has helped the economy, just the opposite with his tariff war. Trump got a robust and growing ecinomy from Obama and the best you can say is he did not screw it up. The same with the coronavirus. Trump has done nothing that will stop this virus in the US, but he also has done nothing wrong up to this point.

 

[apdst]

Are the Leftists ready to close the border, now?