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The Confederate Flag

maquiscat said:
Are you saying that the colonists did not betray their country, England, in seceding from it?
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Are you seriously trying to claim the colonists seceding from Britain and the Confederates seceding from the US were fighting for anywhere near the same reasons? Because that is deeply historically ignorant. Hell, people in the colonies clung to the idea that they were British citizens as long as possible.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Are you seriously trying to claim the colonists seceding from Britain and the Confederates seceding from the US were fighting for anywhere near the same reasons? Because that is deeply historically ignorant. Hell, people in the colonies clung to the idea that they were British citizens as long as possible.
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The reasons for doing so are irrelavant to the question. Did they or did they not betray their country of England when they withdrew?
 
maquiscat said:
The reasons for doing so are irrelavant to the question. Did they or did they not betray their country of England when they withdrew?
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The reasons for doing so are the most relevant part of the whole damn situation.
 
Fearandloathing said:
This is where I part with the American left. It's leaked across the border already and the whiners have been told "no" or in French "non"

Why are we trying to hide the past?

If we set out to remove every memorial of someone who ever made a mistake, who accepted the horror of the ways of that day and age, if we remove all those of anyone who has sinned we are left with one person to honor and half the world doesn't believe he existed.

To me, such things as Swastikas etc. really do bother me, my great aunt was a slave laborer for the Nazis in Poland But the thought that comes to mind is "Lest we forget"

One last....in this country we have some markers where escaped slaves entered Canada along the shores of Lake Erie and am told markers in Quebec where they came through Vermont and New Hampshire. We have kept records and know the names of those who came, whose families remain to this day.

I have traveled up and down and all around the US and no one has even been able to direct me to a monument honoring those who risked their lives in the aid of others for absolutely nothing in return, as I have always seen those who ran the underground railway as America's true heroes.
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Here is one of Sojourner Truth

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MrShangles said:
No, you miss understand, I don't want that, but if they try to take my heritage away


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I have a much better symbol for your heretage than the virgina battle flag.

It's known as the American Flag.
 
MaggieD said:
I was in a tiny Kentucky town over the weekend visiting my southern family. They live in a town with 1300 people. Everybody knows everybody. I'd venture there's three times as many guns in town as people. Not a violent bone in their bodies... my large family, at least. Very little people on people crime. Very few black people.

I asked them as a group what the Confederatemflag meant to them. They weren't flying one. Didn't see any home flying one in their beautiful neighborhood. None on their cars. They all replied, "It's a representation of southern pride."

i live in suburban Chicago. That's what I've always believed the Confederate flag represented. I've asked at least a dozen friends, liberals and conservatives combined, and they never thought a New York Minute about the Confederate flag nor monuments of southern generals.

so now, amvery tiny minority has decided it represents racism. And our whole world is turned inside out. Not there, I might add. They largely ignore the hoopla this minority has begun.

i asked my 16-year-old second cousin what she was taught that the civil war was about. "States' rights," she said. "The right of states to decide for themselves what went ON in their states. And, in many of them, the straw that broke the camel's back was the Federal government abolishing slavery nationwide." That's what I was taught as well.

My very intelligent young niece in Chicago, on the other hand, posted on Facebook that she almost got out of her car to confront the car stopped in front of her for having a Confederate flag bumper sticker on the left and an I Love Jesus sticker on the right. She suggested she'd let herself down by not doing so because the person driving was obviously a racist bigot. She thinks it's our DUTY to stop displaying the Confederate flag.

Please explain to us your ideas about what is going on in this country right now. I think a whole bunch of idiots has coelesced around this movement, and we've gone stark raving mad.

Your thoughts?
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When we crossed the state line from TN into GA on 1-75 this past spring on our journey to Fla, there was a dingbat flying a C-flag up above the tree line, for all the world to see. My wife and I both said the same thing, "The world is full of idiots, but the South seems to have a corner on the market."
 
calamity said:
When we crossed the state line from TN into GA on 1-75 this past spring on our journey to Fla, there was a dingbat flying a C-flag up above the tree line, for all the world to see. My wife and I both said the same thing, "The world is full of idiots, but the South seems to have a corner on the market."
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You were as fair in THAT assessment as you are on this board.
 
Fearandloathing said:
And is there an issue with that statue?
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It is someone who risked their life for others. That is what you said was missing in the US. I was showing you were not accurate.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The reasons for doing so are the most relevant part of the whole damn situation.
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You made a statement about betraying one's country, as if it could only be a bad thing. Yet the colonists betrayed their country, and you want to play that off as a good thing. So is betraying one's country good or bad? Make up your mind.
 
maquiscat said:
For the most part, yes it was. They were British colonies, and the people British citizens.
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That's it. British not English. England is only one country within Britain. Scots (" FREEDOM!") get very sticky on the point.
 
maquiscat said:
You made a statement about betraying one's country, as if it could only be a bad thing. Yet the colonists betrayed their country, and you want to play that off as a good thing. So is betraying one's country good or bad? Make up your mind.
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Depends on the circumstances buddy, but betraying the legitimate government of the US in a desperate attempt to preserve slavery is a bad thing whether you like it or not.
 
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