The comey memo and double standards from mainstream media[W:6]

[woodsman]

Re: The comey memo and double standards from mainstream media

Noting the Hipocricy is always on topic.

I'm measuring every single Republican outrage with the previous 8 years, they are just as relivant. You can't just ignore the previous 8 years and pretend every new outrage is something new. The double standerad is ironic each and every day of the Trump Presidentecy.

Double standard, yes, you got that correct, The MSM pretty much gave Obama a pass and for the most part it was singing Kumbaya around the campfire with s’mores during his eight years.

To this day it continues with that administrations dirt and illegal acts. The Trump missteps are cub-scout stuff in comparison with what Obama has done and wasn’t reported on properly.

 

[Mach]

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None of what you just posted in any way contradicts what I said.

Sure it does.

The 'destabilization' is due 100% to liberals lying about collusion.

Right, the guy whose chief political strategist now in the WH has decalared he wants destablization as priortiy #2...makes it the ****ing liberals fault.
You can't make this **** up. Well, actually you appear to do just that.

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“We don’t believe there is a functional conservative party in this country and we certainly don’t think the Republican Party is that,” he told a gathering of conservatives in Washington, D.C. “It’s going to be an insurgent, center-right populist movement that is virulently anti-establishment, and it’s going to continue to hammer this city, both the progressive left and the institutional Republican Party.”
Steve Bannon

It is the left who are intentionally destabilizing the Trump administration and are using the Russian hacks as cover.

Trump, through his ongoing idiocy, tweeting, and lies, is the #1 force of destabilization.
The #2 is Bannon, and everything he influences in the WH.
Or it could be Bannon is #1, and Trump is just following his lead, take your pick.

The city feels like it's been hammered...aka destabalized?..turns out Bannon specifically said that's his entire strategy. But you're here to declare it's the fault of people who report those facts?

Either you're running cover or you're just running.

 

[chuckiechan]

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1st: I really hate those stupid amateur video "casts" of bubble-headed gibbons attempting to man-in-the-street 'splain it all & reward the confirmation bias, so I don't watch them, and I don't know why anyone would. Frankly, they are stupid, IMO.

2. It's a strange to take -- thinking these memo's don't exist, are made up, cannot be confirmed as to their datestamps, and waa! Why haven't we seen them yet.

3. They do, they can be confirmed, and they will be produced, and testified to. Mark it.

I think you are feeling the frustration of what Trump people are experiencing. While the left is trying to keep their gas from escaping from their balloon, a real investigation is going on, and now the leaks are different and they carry more weight.

 

[Mach]

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What evidence do you have that Flynn colluded with he Russians to fix the election? What evidence do you have that Trump colluded with Russia to fix the election? For that matter...what evidence do you have that Russia hacked the DNC servers (kinda tough to have evidence when the DNC contracts a firm in the UKRAINE FFS to 'inspect' the servers and then gives that data to the FBI to 'analyze').

Answered in #63
https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...-mainstream-media-w-6-a-7.html#post1067251652

BTW, Flynn lying is not "Flynn collided with the Russians to fix the election".
So now I DO have proof you created a strawman, and the implication is that you are attributing it to me. Don't.
Trump tweeting, same thing, it's not "Trump colluded with Russia to fix the election".

So you've evidenced you have nothing to actually debate....

 

[VanceMack]

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Answered in #63
https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...-mainstream-media-w-6-a-7.html#post1067251652

BTW, Flynn lying is not "Flynn collided with the Russians to fix the election".
So now I DO have proof you created a strawman, and the implication is that you are attributing it to me. Don't.
Trump tweeting, same thing, it's not "Trump colluded with Russia to fix the election".

So you've evidenced you have nothing to actually debate....

Couldnt give half a **** about Flynn. If he has done something illegal he should be dealt with accordingly.

Has he? Did Trump Collude with Russia? Do you even have proof Russia hacked the DNC servers? For that matter, have you seen the Comey memo? Do you always gobble and swallow anything based on anonymous sources or is it just when its 'truth' you want to hear?

But if you want to go ahead and lie and pretend Flynn is not used to indict Trump...be my guest. Its your integrity you are willing to sacrifice.

 

[Mach]

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Couldnt give half a **** about Flynn. If he has done something illegal he should be dealt with accordingly.

Libearls didn't hire Flynn. Both Obama and Yates did the opposite, they actually went out of their way to warn Trump about Flynn prior to his appointing him.
Trump did it anyway.
Liberals did not have Flynn lie and Pence repeat those lies.
Liberals didn't choose to not disclose Flynn's foreign relations as was apparently required of him prior to his (clearance/appointment).
Liberals did not later FIRE Flynn, that was all Trump.

And the fact that Flynn's issues were related in part to Russian relationships, well, that just looks all kinds of bad considering how Trump has behaved with regards to Russia's operations in the U.S. And his other campaigner's ties to Russia. And the ongoing FBI investigation that was already underway on....well I'll be, on Russia.
liberals didn't make Trump love-hump on Putin for the past year. That was all Trump. Looks bad, but then, I can't imagine how things "looking really, really ****ing bad" might make headline news day after day. Hmmm, let's see.... things that look insanely bad about the president regarding ongoing investigations....or, we could run news on hillary clinton.... ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME!!!!!

And that's what, just one out of probably twenty "things that look really bad that Trump/Trump WH did on their own"? Drama queen does it for attention. He has our attention. Bitching about the attention would make the title "insane drama-queen".

 

[Aberration]

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Oh make no mistake, I personally am not concerned about being SEEN as reasonable and fair. After experiencing the last 8 years, I would have zero problem seeming The GOP, Conservatives and Trump Supporter getting their nose stuck back into the same crap they dished out.

I'm serious, I have ZERO problem with it. Maybe they'll learn something.

And this attitude is pretty much what we see from liberals bawling their eyes out when Trump won, to the unbelievable bias of the media, to violent protests, to the Russian investigation, to the words of democrat congressman. And its why Trump won. Because this didnt start with Trump. Its only that Trump has forced the rodents out into the light.


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[chuckiechan]

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Yes, ladies and gents -- he actually *did* type that with a straight face.

:lamo

The democrats lives would be so much simpler without Fox spilling the beans.

 

[VanceMack]

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Libearls didn't hire Flynn. Both Obama and Yates did the opposite, they actually went out of their way to warn Trump about Flynn prior to his appointing him.
Trump did it anyway.
Liberals did not have Flynn lie and Pence repeat those lies.
Liberals didn't choose to not disclose Flynn's foreign relations as was apparently required of him prior to his (clearance/appointment).
Liberals did not later FIRE Flynn, that was all Trump.

And the fact that Flynn's issues were related in part to Russian relationships, well, that just looks all kinds of bad considering how Trump has behaved with regards to Russia's operations in the U.S. And his other campaigner's ties to Russia. And the ongoing FBI investigation that was already underway on....well I'll be, on Russia.
liberals didn't make Trump love-hump on Putin for the past year. That was all Trump. Looks bad, but then, I can't imagine how things "looking really, really ****ing bad" might make headline news day after day. Hmmm, let's see.... things that look insanely bad about the president regarding ongoing investigations....or, we could run news on hillary clinton.... ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME!!!!!

And that's what, just one out of probably twenty "things that look really bad that Trump/Trump WH did on their own"? Drama queen does it for attention. He has our attention. Bitching about the attention would make the title "insane drama-queen".

Again....dont much care about Flynn. Did he do anything illegal? Do you have any evidence of Collusion? Was Flynn before or after the election? Do you have any evidence Of ANYTHING? If so...maybe you should call Senator Feinstein IMMEDIATELY. She will likely know why YOU apparently know everything and she has...well...bupkiss.

 

[Mach]

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Again....dont much care about Flynn. Did he do anything illegal?

Why would someone who was compromised, chosen by Trump as national security advisor, only be a concern of yours if it was "illegal"?

Do you use that same test for anything important in your daily life? No, you're just regurgitating Fox news.
In every job in every nation, countless people are removed from positions due to thousands of legitimate reasons, none of which require "committed a crime" as the standard of giving them the boot. But you think it's THE only important issue? Don't make me laugh.

If your daughter brings home a guy you immediately size up as a deadbeat, potentially abusive, likely drug addict. and the more you get to know him, the more certain it seems.
You want your daughter dating him right?
No wait, the parent of the last girl he dated they approach you and tell you point blank "this guy is trouble, we advise you to prohibit your daughter from seeing him".

But no, you know best! You tell your daughter "Ayup! If he's got no criminal record, he's A-OK in my book!! Move in with him before marriage, he seems like a good guy....after all, I have no proof he committed a crime!!"
(obviously no relation to actual people in reality)

It's such an outlandishly crazy defense indicates we're near bottom doesn't it.

 

[VanceMack]

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Why would someone who was compromised, chosen by Trump as national security advisor, only be a concern of yours if it was "illegal"?

Do you use that same test for anything important in your daily life? No, you're just regurgitating Fox news.
In every job in every nation, countless people are removed from positions due to thousands of legitimate reasons, none of which require "committed a crime" as the standard of giving them the boot. But you think it's THE only important issue? Don't make me laugh.

If your daughter brings home a guy you immediately size up as a deadbeat, potentially abusive, likely drug addict. and the more you get to know him, the more certain it seems.
You want your daughter dating him right?
No wait, the parent of the last girl he dated they approach you and tell you point blank "this guy is trouble, we advise you to prohibit your daughter from seeing him".

But no, you know best! You tell your daughter "Ayup! If he's got no criminal record, he's A-OK in my book!! Move in with him before marriage, he seems like a good guy....after all, I have no proof he committed a crime!!"
(obviously no relation to actual people in reality)

It's such an outlandishly crazy defense indicates we're near bottom doesn't it.

So...thats a 'no' then....

 

[Kal'Stang]

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I got past the skateboard, but then it was some guy with a beanie on using youtube talk (today I'm going to be ranting about...), I deemed him not worth my time. As I said, I'd rather you accompany it with your own highlights from it. Just a suggestion.

1: Looks are not everything. Remember Albert Einsteins hair?

2: I have been arguing the points. The OP video was a starting off point.

3: Youtube talk? WTHeck is that?

I believe you are wrong about that.

Well, I made the thread, I know what its about, and the only people to bring up Russia are those that have already convicted Trump based on hearsay.

That, above, from your post, is what I'm responding to.

Ok.

It's on FOX news 24/7, every 2nd stringer they trot out, often with unbrushed hair and dubious credentials, where is the proof! They say.

You seem obsessed with looks.....

I mean, if we had proof, then we'd be on board!

Which is true. Baring that we would like something a bit more tangible than X anonymous person said that Y person said W about Z. Wouldn't you like that? Do you think that such is not possible? They sure seemed to be able to do such before Trump and Obama and Bush Jr. Why can't they now?

If we had proof in the public, the case would be over. The have a mountain of circumstantial evidence, at least 3-4 plausible motivations (or any combination thereof), from both Russia and the Trump campaign, and it appears other members of the GOP. They are then, investigating it.

That's the problem. There isn't even circumstantial evidence in the case of the Comey memo. The press even admitted that they hadn't seen the memo. If they had I'd be more inclined to believe it. As it stands...why should it be believed? But that isn't just the problem. The problem is that despite the fact that the media has admitted that this is at best a second hand account and that they have not seen evidence of the memo even existing...yet they are reporting it as fact. As something that most definitely exists without a shadow of a doubt and that it says exactly what they are portraying it as. After that first acknowledgement that has largely been ignored. Each new report/talk about it on the media's account is that its fact. It's not. It's speculation.

This idea of "we need proof to think this investigation is credible", is absurdity. You won't be getting "proof" as presented to the public, on matters of foreign adversaries intelligence operations into our election and what ties they have to the white house, until they are done. What do you think they investigate FOR....fun? Or actionable evidence (and to uncover the entire story)?

We need more than hearsay. That is what I am saying. Hearsay is literally rumors. And rumors are more often than not false or exaggerated to the point of stupidity.

If they are investigating FOR evidence, why are you insisting it's reasonable to be outraged that you personally don't have evidence of this? Especially given the mountain of circumstantial evidence and motives that are in the news 24/7 that you surely have not missed?

That's the funny thing. In regards to this memo the only "investigation" that needs done is for someone to actually produce the memo. That doesn't take days, weeks, or months. It could be gotten on day 1. 2 at the most if you're mailing it. If the person that called it in was willing to talk and read from it over the phone..why can't they copy and mail it? Doesn't take but a second to copy something with a copier machine. In fact the time that it took to read it over the phone that person could have copied it and mailed it out already. They already broke the law by reading it to reporters, copying it and mailing it is based around the same law. So why not just do that or do both?

 

[Kal'Stang]

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The reporter "says it is there" based on his source and he reports that it is based on his source. This is how news journalism works in the 99.9 percent of cases when the reporter is not himself an eyewitness to the story he is reporting. This is how there was a Watergate expose and a zillion other revelations of matters in the public interest. Another point to keep in mind about the Times is that it would not accept just anyone as a source. This was not some guy making an anonymous call from a phone booth. The source was trusted.

So they say. :shrug: No way of actually knowing that though is there? I mean, the source couldn't even be bothered to copy and mail the memo to the reporter. Real reliable huh?

 

[Kal'Stang]

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Better sources.

It's far more than that and you know it. Particularly when sources don't like to provide proof of their statements. Which makes them just as reliable as a tabloid trash source. In fact, they're literally the same. Neither one providing proof of their statements.

 

[calamity]

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It's far more than that and you know it. Particularly when sources don't like to provide proof of their statements. Which makes them just as reliable as a tabloid trash source. In fact, they're literally the same. Neither one providing proof of their statements.

Except MSM reports are consistent with observed reality. Tabloid trash is not.

 

[Paperview]

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So they say. :shrug: No way of actually knowing that though is there? I mean, the source couldn't even be bothered to copy and mail the memo to the reporter. Real reliable huh?

It's part of the official FBI file of the investigation.

Why are you so impatient?

 

[Kurmugeon]

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So they say. :shrug: No way of actually knowing that though is there? I mean, the source couldn't even be bothered to copy and mail the memo to the reporter. Real reliable huh?

A paper Shield?

Do you know how easy it is to make a piece of paper show up in someone's mailbox?

One that LOOKs like it was mailed, post marks and all, but wasn't.

Think about the resources available to the people envolved in all of this...

Think about two planes meeting out on the tarmac, and a conversation about "Grandkids".


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[woodsman]

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I always have to wonder, if doubling down on idiocy pays overtime for spammers? If they quadruple the nonsense does that bring an extra premium, cash per post?

 

[Kurmugeon]

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If you want to hear a cogent analysis on the whole FBI memo and Investigation situation, listen to the discussion about the hard evidence, and where the law was broken, in the RedEye Radio pod cast:

On Demand | REDE-CM

5/26/17 Part 1.

They go into the details, point by point, by point.

With references to the appropriate laws, and court rulings.


The FISA court informed the Obama administration that they broke the law!


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[Paperview]

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If you want to hear a cogent analysis on the whole FBI memo and Investigation situation...

Cogent.

LOL.

The post should read: here, listen to these two hard boiled Trump cultists who metaphorically suck his dick for 5 hours each night, five days a week.

They'll set ya straight.

 

[Kurmugeon]

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Here is the web site which has the data on the FISA courts going to the Obama Administration with charges that they were violating the law repeatedly:

Barack Obama's team secretly disclosed years of illegal NSA searches spying on Americans | Circa News - Learn. Think. Do.

So, several investigative reporters were on Fox News last night, being interviewed about what is being released now, as OFFICIAL court documents, outline how the Obama administration was violating the 4th ammendment rights of numerous American Citizens for years.

You want "Proof", well, Official FISA court docuemnts is PROOF, isn't it?

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[Kal'Stang]

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Except MSM reports are consistent with observed reality. Tabloid trash is not.

And yet we are currently having a news media reporting something as fact when even they haven't been presented the memo that someone couldn't take the time to copy and mail to them. At the least it'd be more accurate to say they're speculating.

 

[Kal'Stang]

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It's part of the official FBI file of the investigation.

Why are you so impatient?

And why aren't you questioning why a leaker would rather call instead of copying and mailing a memo to the news media. Seriously, if they had the time to read it over a phone, then they had time to copy it and mail it. Yet that hasn't been done.

 

[Paperview]

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And why aren't you questioning why a leaker would rather call instead of copying and mailing a memo to the news media. Seriously, if they had the time to read it over a phone, then they had time to copy it and mail it. Yet that hasn't been done.

<smh>

Not the way it's done.

Why are you so impatient?

 

[calamity]

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And yet we are currently having a news media reporting something as fact when even they haven't been presented the memo that someone couldn't take the time to copy and mail to them. At the least it'd be more accurate to say they're speculating.

Problem is, the nexus between what is being reported by our MSM and the Euro press, say WaPo and BBC for example, and the complete lack of coverage on those issues by Fox and anyone linked on Drudge, suggests to me that the Right Wing press cannot be trusted. In fact, going by past history, the Right cannot be trusted, period.