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The Charlotesville hoax that won't die.

Scorps2000 said:
Do you want to repeat it? Then don't forget...
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Oh you think people will forget about slavery and white supremacy without statues to remind us? :lamo

Do you need a statue of your grocery list to remember to pick up milk? :lamo
 
KLATTU said:
Instead of helping President Trump unify the nation after the recent mass shootings, Democrats are once again peddling the Charlottesville hoax to further inflame America’s divisions.

For two years now, liberals have been brazenly lying about the remarks President Trump made in response to the 2017 Charlottesville tragedy, touting their fabrication as the most convincing evidence available that the president is actually the “white nationalist” they’ve always claimed. Following the twin shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio — which they blame on Donald Trump — Democrats and the mainstream media have predictably trotted out the Charlottesville canard once again.

act, President Trump explicitly denounced the very people that liberals accuse him of praising, clarifying that “I’m not talking about the Neo-Nazis and the White Nationalists. They should be condemned totally.” Note that President Trump uttered those words immediately after referencing “very fine people.”

Honest, accurate reporting would have made this perfectly clear from the outset. But we don’t have an honest press; we have an opposition press. "
The Charlottesville Hoax That Would Not Die


This is why us normals stooped paying attention to liberals calling people ( like Trump ) a racist.
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Lulz at trumpettes ever decrying unity, decency, and moderate discourse.
 
ocean515 said:
So I take it you weren't at the rally. How do you know who was standing with whom?

The left believes there were no fine people at the rally. None.
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At the rally, those standing with white supremacists are not fine people.

It's well documented there were citizens of Charlottesville at the rally. You don't know which citizens those were. So clearly, by the claim, any citizen from Charlottesville who showed up was a bad person.
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Wrong that is the usual ****ed up logic from you that has no basis in reality. The simple fact is that those at the rally standing with white supremacists are not fine people.

Since you can't distinguish who those citizens were, it must mean every citizen is a bad person, since anyone who showed up was bad.
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No, that is the dumbest thing you have said today and has no basis in reality.
 
Master Debator said:
And yet you cant give an example of one good one?
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I don't feel I have to. And why does it have to be a "good" reason? Good to whom? To you?

In any case, I did not make the original claim. The person who made it should provide evidence that no one could possibly protest the removal of the statue but for racism. Even if that person states outright that racism is not the reason. Prove that the person is wrong or lying and that racism is the root cause.
 
KLATTU said:
For two years now, liberals have been brazenly lying about the remarks President Trump made in response to the 2017 Charlottesville tragedy
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Well...there may well be some liberals somewhere who have been brazenly lying about those remarks, but liberals in general have not been. The MSM sources usually accused of having misreported his words actually reported them correctly. What Trump and his supporters seem eager for people to forget is that Trump made quite a few other remarks, and held a press conference, before the one on the 17th, in which he tried to draw moral equivalence between Neo-nazis and their counter-protesters. A closer look at the chronology of Trump's remarks and surrounding events shows that Trump was apparently bending to pressure from political expediency, and not out of any honest condemnation of racism.

For a chronology of his statements, see here:

Unite the Right rally - Wikipedia

Additionally, the notion that there were other folks there protesting the removal of the statue--people other than the white supremacists/Neo-nazis--is apparently not accurate, and is also misleading. The protest was clearly organized by a conglomeration of racist organizations. All the advertising of the protest was overtly racist, or issued by overtly racist organizations. The "candlelight vigil" that Trump seems to have been referencing when he said there were peaceful protesters were people chanting that "Jews will not replace us," and many of them were recognizable Neo-nazis or white supremacists. There were two sides--the Neo-nazis and white supremacists on one side, and the counter-protesters on the other. So his remarks could only apply to the white supremacists/Neo-nazis.

KLATTU said:
This is why us normals stooped paying attention to liberals calling people ( like Trump ) a racist.
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Y'all may fancy yourselves "normals," but if your reasons above are why you stopped listening, it seems clear those reasons imply that either you want to ignore reality, hope that people forget the details, or some other such.
 
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The Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville was a white supremacist rally. The protesters were members of the far-right and included self-identified members of the alt-right, neo-Confederates, neo-fascists, white nationalists, neo-Nazis Klansmen and various right-wing militias. The marchers chanted racist and antisemitic slogans, carried semi-automatic rifles, Nazi and neo-Nazi symbols (such as the swastika), Confederate battle flags, crosses, and symbols of anti-Muslim and antisemitic groups. The organizers' stated goals included unifying the American white nationalist movement and opposing the removal of the statue of Robert E. Lee from Charlottesville's Lee Park. Anybody else who only joined during the protests could only have identified with the obvious and have been no finer people than the same.

Context is everything. It is what comes before and after what is said that gives it meaning. A number of Trump quotes on Charlottesville have been taken out of context and cited in this thread to defend what Trump said about the “rally”. To put these quotes into context, the following is a link to a reporter’s interview with Trump that, I think, is important to read in its entirety to get the entire context:

Transcript of Trump's contentious Aug. 15 press conference - ABC News

The context I get is that Trump answers every question to say each “side” was as good or bad as the other, in order to paint over reality with a picture of moral equivalency. Except, he tends to be more emphatic about and dwell on the left’s “bad” than that of the right.

48 hrs after the Unite the Right rally, Trump carefully delivered condemnations of the Ku Klux Klan and neo-Nazis. After hearing these words, the mother, Mrs. Bro, of the woman killed at the rally, Heather Heyer, by one of the Unite the Right rally members, thanked Trump very kindly for “words of comfort and for denouncing those who promote violence and hatred”. Then, after hearing the words of Trump’s press conference in the above link, she said:

“I’m not talking to the president now; I’m sorry,” Susan Bro said. “After what he said about my child.”

“I saw an actual clip of him at a press conference equating the protesters like Ms. Heyer with the K.K.K. and the white supremacists,”

“You can’t wash this one away by shaking my hand and saying ‘I’m sorry,’” she added. “I’m not forgiving for that.”

Classic Trump. Says one thing in but few words more appropriate for what happened, even if too late, then says later a great deal more in a completely different, reverse context. And, yeah, I got the point Trump made in his press conference about making sure of the facts. It sunk-in.
 
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ocean515 said:
Agreed.

But why does the left believe the entire population of the Charlottesville would be standing side by side with Neo Nazi Scum?
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I believe it would be only those that marched with the neo nazi scum as to be not nice people. Certainly not the entire population of Charlottesville. Just those that marched with scum
 
KLATTU said:
Instead of helping President Trump unify the nation after the recent mass shootings, Democrats are once again peddling the Charlottesville hoax to further inflame America’s divisions.

For two years now, liberals have been brazenly lying about the remarks President Trump made in response to the 2017 Charlottesville tragedy, touting their fabrication as the most convincing evidence available that the president is actually the “white nationalist” they’ve always claimed. Following the twin shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio — which they blame on Donald Trump — Democrats and the mainstream media have predictably trotted out the Charlottesville canard once again.

act, President Trump explicitly denounced the very people that liberals accuse him of praising, clarifying that “I’m not talking about the Neo-Nazis and the White Nationalists. They should be condemned totally.” Note that President Trump uttered those words immediately after referencing “very fine people.”

Honest, accurate reporting would have made this perfectly clear from the outset. But we don’t have an honest press; we have an opposition press. "
The Charlottesville Hoax That Would Not Die


This is why us normals stooped paying attention to liberals calling people ( like Trump ) a racist.
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Leftists have a vested interest in keeping the hate alive. It’s what unifies them. Like attracts like, or misery loves company.

If you take DJT’s comments, and approach them with an open mind, the conclusion is clear. He was not praising neo-Nazis. He actually condemned them. Leftists however, have been so programmed to view DJT and his supporters through the lens of hate by the MSM Hate Machine, they cannot honestly see where they are in error.

The MSM Hate Machine has taken the left’s disappointment in losing in 2016, and hammered away at them with hate message after hate message, dishonesty, lies, slander, and manipulation on a daily basis and have successfully instilled all these negative feelings. And it’s ripping our country apart.
 
Scorps2000 said:
Let me explain.
There were at least two groups there. One group was white supremacist and one was "good people" that just didn't want the statue removed.

End of story!!
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If you're attending a White Supremacy sponsored rally, you are not "good people", End of Story!!!!!
 
ocean515 said:
You really have a thing for calling people liars.

I agree, no fine person would stand with White Supremacists.

Given what can only be seen as first hand knowledge of who attended the rally, and where they were standing, it's apparent you must have been there.

Since no fine people were there, only white supremacists, that must make you a white supremacist Nazi.

Or might there be some actual facts missing from your claims?
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Again you are having difficuly understanding that calling you out on your lies is not saying you are a liar.

Now, if you keep lying (as to saying I am a white supremacist Nazi), I'm going to call you out on your lies.

Now, you don't have to have first hand knowledge of who attended the rally. If someone attended the rally in support, they are standing with White Supremacists and are not good people. Nuff said. Now, if you stop posting lies (like the ones I called you out on) I wouldn't have to call you out on them. You seem to be having trouble with reading comprehension today, are you feeling ok?
 
RaleBulgarian said:
An objective view of Trump’s comments;

Trump: “Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves — and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

Here’s where Trump is fundamentally wrong. He seems to think that the rally consisted of some neo-Nazis over here and some others over there who were simply there to protest the plans to move the Lee statue. That is simply not true. This was not some protest organized by history buffs who think that the statue should stay because that’s one way for us to understand the past. This was always an event organized by white nationalists. The history-minded people who genuinely believe we shouldn’t take down Confederate statues because their presence can be informative about an uncomfortable past were never part of this event — and had the good sense to stay far, far, far away. Anyone who showed up to march was knowingly joining a white supremacist rally.
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Hence the lie.

The media reported that President Trump described neo-Nazis as “very fine people.”

Only, he didn’t. In fact, he didn’t even hint at it. Just the opposite: he condemned the neo-Nazis in no uncertain terms. So then, who were the “fine people” he mentioned?

He was referring to another group of Charlottesville demonstrators who came out that weekend, protestors who wanted the Robert E. Lee statue removed and protestors who wanted to keep the statue and restore the park’s original name.

This is what Trump said about those peaceful protestors: “You also had some very fine people on both sides. . . . You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of—to them—a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

A few moments later, in case there would be any misunderstanding, he makes his meaning even more explicit. I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists. They should be condemned totally.

It became so convenient for Liberals to take his comments out of context and try and convince Americas he is a white supremacist. I only hope Democrats continue to us it as the effect will be the same as it was on 2016. The more Democrats repeat it, the more people see how easy they will promote a know lie to get a vote.
 
Condor060 said:
Hence the lie.

The media reported that President Trump described neo-Nazis as “very fine people.”

Only, he didn’t. In fact, he didn’t even hint at it. Just the opposite: he condemned the neo-Nazis in no uncertain terms. So then, who were the “fine people” he mentioned?

He was referring to another group of Charlottesville demonstrators who came out that weekend, protestors who wanted the Robert E. Lee statue removed and protestors who wanted to keep the statue and restore the park’s original name.

This is what Trump said about those peaceful protestors: “You also had some very fine people on both sides. . . . You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of—to them—a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

A few moments later, in case there would be any misunderstanding, he makes his meaning even more explicit. I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists. They should be condemned totally.

It became so convenient for Liberals to take his comments out of context and try and convince Americas he is a white supremacist. I only hope Democrats continue to us it as the effect will be the same as it was on 2016. The more Democrats repeat it, the more people see how easy they will promote a know lie to get a vote.
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Try to pay attention, there were no other people there except the white nationalists and those opposing them, so when Trump said “very fine people on both sides”, he was saying that the white nationalists are very fine people.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Try to pay attention, there were no other people there except the white nationalists and those opposing them, so when Trump said “very fine people on both sides”, he was saying that the white nationalists are very fine people.
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There's plenty of video footage of the rally floating around. All they'd need to do is point out the "very fine people" in said footage. I've seen hours of the footage myself. Maybe it's the people marching and chanting "Jews will not replace us" or maybe it's the people gathered around the daily stormer banner chanting "Gas the k****, race war now." :confused:
 
ocean515 said:
I completely agree.

What I don't understand is why the left hates the citizens of Charlottesville and why they don't believe there are any fine people who live there.
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The 'Unite the Right' mob who were the ones chanting "Jews will not replace us", and whose member ran down and murdered a young girl, were bus'd in from all over America, as well as travelling from Canada, Sweden and South Africa to join the rally (scroll down to 'who was there?'). The vast majority were not Charlottesville residents. Nice try though, I'll give you that.

Two Years Ago, They Marched in Charlottesville. Where Are They Now? | Anti-Defamation League
 
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snakestretcher said:
The 'Unite the Right' mob who were the ones chanting "Jews will not replace us", and whose member ran down and murdered a young girl, were bus'd in from elsewhere.
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There's an archive of every message posted in the discord server that they used to organize transportation/etc. The idea that the "Unite the right" rally was organized by people "from Charlottesville" is laughable.
 
Memestrels said:
There's an archive of every message posted in the discord server that they used to organize transportation/etc. The idea that the "Unite the right" rally was organized by people "from Charlottesville" is laughable.
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I have edited my post (#95), with further information.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Try to pay attention, there were no other people there except the white nationalists and those opposing them, so when Trump said “very fine people on both sides”, he was saying that the white nationalists are very fine people.
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I have given you the exact words from Trump in that same speech,

I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists. They should be condemned totally.

His Son in law, Daughter, and grand kids are Jews. If you want to continue the myth that Trump said Jew hating Nazis who want all Jews dead are very fine people, please continue. Its a free country. You can say what ever you want.

Most people continue to recognize the Liberal pandering for what it is. Coming off such a huge failure of Trump is a Russian agent and we have the evidence to prove it, you would think Liberals would want to try and recover some credibility but they won't.

It didn't work in 2016, why do you think it will work in 2020?
 
ocean515 said:
I completely agree.

What I don't understand is why the left hates the citizens of Charlottesville and why they don't believe there are any fine people who live there.
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What does this have to do with the citizens of Charlottesville?

This was not locally organized, and not locally attended to any great degree.

Indeed, the police were very nervous about the crowds of out of staters that were flocking to Charlottesville specifically for this event, which had been heavily promoted by neo-Nazi groups, white supremacist groups, and on cable TV news.

The guy who drove into the crowd was from Illinois.
 
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