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The Case for Enhancing US Military Might

Jack Hays said:
No one is baiting China. We are doing nothing new. China is.
A man as foolish as Duterte faces increased risks.
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Its really not up to the US to dictate Philippine foreign and defence policy on their behalf in order that you can get to provoke China
 
[h=3]US-Vietnam Joint Vision Statement on Defense Relations | The Diplomat[/h]thediplomat.com/tag/us-vietnam-joint-vision-statement-on-defense-relations/



US, Vietnam Deepen Defense Ties. June 05, 2015. US, Vietnam Deepen Defense Ties. The two countries pave the way for bolder defense cooperation.


[h=3]US-Vietnam Defense Relations: Problems and Prospects | The Diplomat[/h]thediplomat.com/2016/05/us-vietnam-defense-relations-problems-and-prospects/



May 27, 2016 - The foundational elements of a U.S.-Vietnam defense relationship were ... understanding on defense cooperation, a defense leg subsequently folded ... In July 2015, the two sides also inked a joint vision statement laying out ...


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May 23, 2016 - The United States and Vietnam reaffirmed their commitment to strengthen defense cooperation between the two countries as outlined in the ...

 
flogger said:
Its really not up to the US to dictate Philippine foreign and defence policy on their behalf in order that you can get to provoke China
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A man so foolish creates threats to himself without any help from us.
 
Jack Hays said:
A man so foolish creates threats to himself without any help from us.
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So you don't like their government because it looks like they won't let you use their country as an excuse to do what you want to do viz China.

Too bad :roll:
 
flogger said:
On the contrary he is steering his country away from a conflict the US is hoping to initiate in the region.
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The US is not trying to initiate conflict. But the Chinese have to play by the same rules as everyone else.
 
flogger said:
So you don't like their government because it looks like they won't let you use their country as an excuse to do what you want to do viz China.

Too bad :roll:
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What exactly are we doing to China. Maybe I missed it but are we the ones building disputed islands into military bases or going against the decisions of international courts. Or are we the ones stealing other countries military equipment. Oh wait that is all stuff that China is doing.
Your anti American bias is really blinding you.
 
flogger said:
So you don't like their government because it looks like they won't let you use their country as an excuse to do what you want to do viz China.
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The President is not the Government. He is an elected office holder, he is not a king or emperor (unless you are talking about a Socialist President).

And yea, the current President there is a thug. I guess you approve of heads of states claiming to executing without trial individuals, leading death squads, and encouraging others to carry out extra-judicial executions?

How about his claims that journalists killed "deserved it"? Giving a wolf whistle at a female journalist who tried to ask him a question during a press conference? In his first 3 months of office approximately 1,500 drug dealers executed without trial by vigilantes?

I do not care if he wants the help of the US or not, I see him as no better (and possibly worse) than Marcos.

Maybe you do not give a damn about little things like "Human Rights", but some of us do. But I guess you are to busy wanting to suck up to China to give a damn about things like that.
 
braindrain said:
What exactly are we doing to China. Maybe I missed it but are we the ones building disputed islands into military bases or going against the decisions of international courts. Or are we the ones stealing other countries military equipment. Oh wait that is all stuff that China is doing.
Your anti American bias is really blinding you.
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You want to create an excuse for conflict by talking up a storm in a thimble.
 
Oozlefinch said:
The President is not the Government. He is an elected office holder, he is not a king or emperor (unless you are talking about a Socialist President).

And yea, the current President there is a thug. I guess you approve of heads of states claiming to executing without trial individuals, leading death squads, and encouraging others to carry out extra-judicial executions?

How about his claims that journalists killed "deserved it"? Giving a wolf whistle at a female journalist who tried to ask him a question during a press conference? In his first 3 months of office approximately 1,500 drug dealers executed without trial by vigilantes?

I do not care if he wants the help of the US or not, I see him as no better (and possibly worse) than Marcos.

Maybe you do not give a damn about little things like "Human Rights", but some of us do. But I guess you are to busy wanting to suck up to China to give a damn about things like that.
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And what has any of that to do with him not wanting to let the US bait China from bases in the Phillippines then ?
 
flogger said:
You want to create an excuse for conflict by talking up a storm in a thimble.
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So in other words you have absolutely nothing. Is there any reason other then that antiAmerican bias of yours that you simply ignore everything China is doing and blame they US for not being happy about it.
 
flogger said:
Somewhat ironic given the current occupant of the Whitehouse



And have any of those countries requested your military intervention in any of their dealings with China or claimed they were being threatened by them ?
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Yes, actually. Taiwan and Japan both most definitely feel threatened by China, as does Vietnam.
 
braindrain said:
So in other words you have absolutely nothing. Is there any reason other then that antiAmerican bias of yours that you simply ignore everything China is doing and blame they US for not being happy about it.
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I take issue with people trying to start needless wars . I'm 'biased' like that :roll:
 
flogger said:
I take issue with people trying to start needless wars . I'm 'biased' like that :roll:
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So them your issue should be with China as they are the one building bases on disputed islands, ignoring the rulings of international courts and stealing other countries military equipment. Funny how you give them a free pass.

And since you ignored the question the first time.
What exactly has the US done to try and start a war. Be specific.
 
flogger said:
They are your allies not ours
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Which has what to do with caring about lives lost. Oh that's right nothing. You are really flapping in the breeze here. It's what happens when you let your bias overrule your thinking.
 
braindrain said:
Which has what to do with caring about lives lost. Oh that's right nothing. You are really flapping in the breeze here. It's what happens when you let your bias overrule your thinking.
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I repeat they are your allies not ours. All the US really cares about are its bases there
 
flogger said:
Why would China ever be provoked by this I wonder .....

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/23311...create-perfect-noose-around-superpower-rival/

Plus two carrier battle groups off her coast
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Leaving aside the completely biased nature of that article as well as ignoring the vast number of errors in it, it even stated that those moves are in response to the provocative actions of China. So in your mind China can do whatever they want and that's fine but if the US dared to respond it is us causing the problems. Do you not realize how ridiculous your argument is.

So to you it is ok that China builds a base on disputed islands ignoring international courts but if the US dates moves troops around on its already established bases that is the US trying to start a war.
 
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