The best hope for Republicans in 2020 is for Trump to not seek reelection

[Bullseye]

Let's be realistic. You're not getting reelected when half the country thinks you should be removed from office.

If Trump resigns you can get another conservative to run. Democrats who have some vulnerability given how far to the left some of their positions are. If you run a John Kasich, you could win.

Republicans and conservatives, do you think Trump should announce he won't run for reelection?

Not only no, but HELL NO. Any other questions?

 

[Bullseye]

To the bolded: Yes you can, get elected with less than 50%!.

Third party candidates take their cut, and the Electoral College can exaggerate the weighting of the vote. It's very possible to win with 45-46% under the right conditions.

And let's not forget: It's not "what the country thinks", but rather which voters actually come out to register their votes!

And, of course, the election is not tomorrow.

 

[Bullseye]

Doesn't matter. The Republican Party is finished. I'm glad I left the sinking ship when i did because I would not want to be a Republican right now. They also know that Trump has ruined 2020 for them.

Against the composite lunacy of the Democratic Clown Car? YGTBSM.

 

[Fishking]

Let's be realistic. You're not getting reelected when half the country thinks you should be removed from office.

If Trump resigns you can get another conservative to run. Democrats who have some vulnerability given how far to the left some of their positions are. If you run a John Kasich, you could win.

Republicans and conservatives, do you think Trump should announce he won't run for reelection?

1. Because going off of polling data really worked last election?

2. Are you scared Trump will win again?

 

[bongsaway]

In this country, if you are accused of a crime, you are required to present your evidence to the accused. Its called discovery. And yes, they have a right to prepare a proper defense.

If your Impeaching a president, you present your evidence to the House to vote on an Impeachment Inquiry.

If you are investigating someone looking for a crime, thats a crime.

Once again, I apologize for the dems for not doing what you want. The house is well within their legal rights. Does you last sentence also apply to the executive branch who wants to investigate the investigators?

 

[Condor060]

Once again, I apologize for the dems for not doing what you want. The house is well within their legal rights. Does you last sentence also apply to the executive branch who wants to investigate the investigators?

Don't apologize for the Dems actions. Did you think I was angry about how they are conducting this? Are you kidding me? This is exactly what was expected.

What do we know so far?

WB 1 doesn't know anything 1st hand
WB 1 made false statements as predicted
WB 1 was in contact with Schiff staff prior to filing

The WB Urgent Claim form was changed to allow 2nd and 3rd party claims which has never been done before

WB 2 Worked with Biden and most likely went to Ukraine
WB 2 Worked with 2 staff members of Schiff

Pelosi decided on her own not to use the power of the House to get an Impeachment Inquiry vote
This was done to stop any subpoena power by Republicans

All of these hearings are being done behind closed doors

So everyone knows they don't have the vote or the evidence and it looks exactly like it does. Another fake claim like the dozens made before to unseat a president because Dems don't like the outcome of an election.

NOTHING you can say can overcome the failure to include House Republicans and Democrats in this process. This is just another scam and America is watching

This couldn't look any worse for Democrats so don't think I am against their current strategy.

 

[Bandit]

Annnd this is why no Democrat is going to win the presidency. You don't get to point your finger, make an accusation, and have someone convicted. You are in the wrong country.

Oh yes I do, what are you going to do about it huh? Nothing. I’ll leave the conviction to the court after he leaves office one way or the other. 10 felonies and the current impeachment charges being drawn. You are in the wrong country, only russia does things your way.


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[Bandit]

Don't apologize for the Dems actions. Did you think I was angry about how they are conducting this? Are you kidding me? This is exactly what was expected.

What do we know so far?

WB 1 doesn't know anything 1st hand
WB 1 made false statements as predicted
WB 1 was in contact with Schiff staff prior to filing

The WB Urgent Claim form was changed to allow 2nd and 3rd party claims which has never been done before

WB 2 Worked with Biden and most likely went to Ukraine
WB 2 Worked with 2 staff members of Schiff

Pelosi decided on her own not to use the power of the House to get an Impeachment Inquiry vote
This was done to stop any subpoena power by Republicans

All of these hearings are being done behind closed doors

So everyone knows they don't have the vote or the evidence and it looks exactly like it does. Another fake claim like the dozens made before to unseat a president because Dems don't like the outcome of an election.

NOTHING you can say can overcome the failure to include House Republicans and Democrats in this process. This is just another scam and America is watching

This couldn't look any worse for Democrats so don't think I am against their current strategy.

What do we know? We know you can’t defend the indefensible. No one cares about the WB, we don’t need him and it won’t change the crime. Keep trying.


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[Bandit]

In this country, if you are accused of a crime, you are required to present your evidence to the accused. Its called discovery. And yes, they have a right to prepare a proper defense.

If your Impeaching a president, you present your evidence to the House to vote on an Impeachment Inquiry.

If you are investigating someone looking for a crime, thats a crime.

No, no, no, maybe in a court of law but that’s not what this is or did you miss that part in school. Nope, there is no court, there is no requirement for a vote in the house until it’s ready to go to the senate if they so choose. That’s the law, your bs is just that.

The senate is the court presided over by the Chief Justice.

The last statement is just gobbledygook so it’s not worth addressing.

Think about it like this, everything trump says is a lie, and you fell for it.


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[Condor060]

No, no, no, maybe in a court of law but that’s not what this is or did you miss that part in school. Nope, there is no court, there is no requirement for a vote in the house until it’s ready to go to the senate if they so choose. That’s the law, your bs is just that.

The senate is the court presided over by the Chief Justice.

The last statement is just gobbledygook so it’s not worth addressing.

Think about it like this, everything trump says is a lie, and you fell for it.


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Yeah, Ok, You really are clueless. When this one fails, like every other attempt made by these fake Democrats, you will still be making more claims like this over and over, just like you have for the last 3 years, and Trump will still be president, and he will win the election, and you will be here a year from now running the same old stories you have been running for 3 years.

That must suck

 

[Condor060]

Oh yes I do, what are you going to do about it huh? Nothing. I’ll leave the conviction to the court after he leaves office one way or the other. 10 felonies and the current impeachment charges being drawn. You are in the wrong country, only russia does things your way.


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Russia does things like use anonymous witnesses, back room meetings, falsifying claims, refusing to use proper protocols, and making up lines from the Soprano's like its evidence.

This country has due process. You can't get a conviction without it which is why yo have wasted 3 years going down rabbit holes while the whole country watches Democrats make idiots of themselves.

You got nothing and you never had anything but we do love the show

 

[Chomsky]

And, of course, the election is not tomorrow.

Fair point.

However on the other hand, there's no guaranteeing this impeachment process will not continue into the election year if Trump continues to refuse to cooperate.

 

[Helix]

The best hope for Republicans in 2020 is for Trump to not seek reelection

but they love their iodine stained imbecile, and his ample tangerine ass isn't going to kiss itself.

 

[Bandit]

Russia does things like use anonymous witnesses, back room meetings, falsifying claims, refusing to use proper protocols, and making up lines from the Soprano's like its evidence.

This country has due process. You can't get a conviction without it which is why yo have wasted 3 years going down rabbit holes while the whole country watches Democrats make idiots of themselves.

You got nothing and you never had anything but we do love the show

Blah blah blah, no you don’t, your desperate and pathetic.


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[Condor060]

Blah blah blah, no you don’t, your desperate and pathetic.

Really, How many claims out of the hundreds Democrats have made against Trump for over 3 years have you received an Impeachment vote for?

I rest my case.

Now whos desperate and pathetic

 

[Bullseye]

Fair point.

However on the other hand, there's no guaranteeing this impeachment process will not continue into the election year if Trump continues to refuse to cooperate.

I can only hope. :lmao

Seriously, the long the dems remain bogged down in this "Official Impeachment Inquiry" the more ammunition they provide Trump and other Republican candidates next fall. Dems won't have anything to campaign on except "hey, we waged an ineffectual war against Trump." Remember the devastation the 2010 election wreaked on the Dems EVEN WHEN they delivered ACA AND a near trillion-dollar stimulus. They only landmark events are Trump's tax plan, expending relations with N. Korea and the Mueller face plant.


So, now compare that with the Dems claim to fame: A continuing fire-fight against him based on questionable "evidence" and a bogus dossier, paid for by his opponent and used to instigate questionable, if not illegal investigation.

 

[Chomsky]

I can only hope. :lmao

Seriously, the long the dems remain bogged down in this "Official Impeachment Inquiry" the more ammunition they provide Trump and other Republican candidates next fall. Dems won't have anything to campaign on except "hey, we waged an ineffectual war against Trump." Remember the devastation the 2010 election wreaked on the Dems EVEN WHEN they delivered ACA AND a near trillion-dollar stimulus. They only landmark events are Trump's tax plan, expending relations with N. Korea and the Mueller face plant.


So, now compare that with the Dems claim to fame: A continuing fire-fight against him based on questionable "evidence" and a bogus dossier, paid for by his opponent and used to instigate questionable, if not illegal investigation.

Well, the result will very much remain to be seen. But we've seen the polls move sharply against Trump with the announcement of the impeachment inquiry, so it might indeed work. He doesn't have to be removed by the Senate, you know. Losing the election will be removal enough, if it occurs.

 

[The AntiDonald]

I've been saying this for a while now. We actually don't want him removed before the next election. If he is removed, there is a great chance Pence will do a lot of pardoning. If we beat him at the polls, the new Dem admin will dust off all that Mueller evidence and all the rest. With an aggressive AG appointee, I would bet the Don will be in for some major legal problems.

I am not for any so called Witch Hunts, but if this guy has broken any laws (And we know he has), he should be prosecuted.

 

[Phys251]

I remember several months before Nixon resigned I saw a small article in the Wall Street Journal and it was headlined president Jerry Ford?

The story kind of gave us the idea that it was a joke. Jerry Ford was a obscure timid and quiet congressman who most people had never heard of.

In 1974 it became reality

We really don't know what's going to happen in 2020 when the rubber hits the road

QFT. The only thing we can say for sure about 2020 is that we don't know for sure what will happen in 2020.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Trump will never forgo running unless he gets a pardon from Cuomo, and that ain't gonna happen. If the Republicans in the Senate sustain his impeachment and dump his ass, they'll have a fighting chance with Pense in 2020.

Pence is utterly tainted. No way America will vote for Trump’s number one butt boy and cheerleader.

If (big IF) Trump ends up being removed, the Republicans are toast next year. Dems will clean up like they did in the midterms of 1974.

To have any chance at all, Republicans would have to run someone not currently in office and middle of the road like Kasich.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

In this country, if you are accused of a crime, you are required to present your evidence to the accused. Its called discovery. And yes, they have a right to prepare a proper defense.

If your Impeaching a president, you present your evidence to the House to vote on an Impeachment Inquiry.

If you are investigating someone looking for a crime, thats a crime.

Like virtually everything else you opine on in this forum, you’re wrong.

First, impeachment is a political process, not a legal one, and even if it were a legal process, until the accused is actually charged with a crime, there is no right to “discovery.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Originally Posted by Condor060
3. Hold public hearings so everyone could hear the testimony

That's what Pelosi and many other top Democrats dread more than anything. If there's a trial in the senate, all of the Democrat dirty laundry regarding the Ukraine will be aired out for all the world to see, and it ain't gonna be pretty.

And you know this how? Do you have some special secret access to information?

 

[aociswundumho]

And you know this how?

Call it a hunch.

 

[Grand Mal]

I've been saying this for a while now. We actually don't want him removed before the next election. If he is removed, there is a great chance Pence will do a lot of pardoning. If we beat him at the polls, the new Dem admin will dust off all that Mueller evidence and all the rest. With an aggressive AG appointee, I would bet the Don will be in for some major legal problems.

I am not for any so called Witch Hunts, but if this guy has broken any laws (And we know he has), he should be prosecuted.

Trumps position in the White House is the only reason he hasn't been indicted yet. And he knows there's going to be a knock on his door the day after his successor is sworn in.

 

[poweRob]

Doesn't matter. The Republican Party is finished. I'm glad I left the sinking ship when i did because I would not want to be a Republican right now. They also know that Trump has ruined 2020 for them.

Can't
Freegin'
Wait!

I'm an election night junkie as it is but 2020 election night is going to be so epic from the top of the ticket to the bottom.