The Assault Weapons Ban Is A Dumb Idea Pushed By Dumb People

[Casper]

Lol, Semiautomatic assault handgun and assault shotgun.

Wow, I own even more "assault" weapons than I thought....:lamo

 

[Casper]

Right wing Logic

If mass murder occurs,
Was it a Muslim?
If yes --->Travel Ban
If no, Was it a Mexican?
If yes--->Build Wall
If no, Was it a Black?
If yes---->More prisons
If no, Was it a white person?
If yes, ---->Send Thoughts and Prayers

I would change the last one to Change the laws so that the mentally ill can actually be dealt with by law enforcement before they go "off".

 

[Nap]

To expand on that some. I believe education, gun safety, and common sense in some sort of public safety campaign. Over time these campaigns could reduce some deaths by firearms. The Goverment did Similiar campaigns for drunk driving which did have an impact on public awareness as the DUI rates decreased. The NRA needs to step up to the plate more in educating the public. I know they offer classes only because I asked. Thto out reach more into communities. I believe we all, no matter our political lean are very alarmed by the frequency of these occurrences.

Another issue is how the media reports on these shootings. I don't believe that there should be a law about it, but I think journalists should come together and voluntarily not report the names and pictures of these shooters. These are usually kids that are crying out for attention and the media gives it right to them. Report on it and move on, this sounds cold but it could conceivably save lives from would be copycats.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Sean Davis is a well thought out conservative who always has good points to make. so I read this and think it has credence.


Assault Weapons Ban: A Dumb Idea Pushed By Dumb People




I'm not saying I have all the answers. I'm just saying I don't think an assault ban is the answer.

What the libruls just cannot seem to work out is that when you ban a specific gun, all you are doing is creating a bigger demand for it.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Then, why are these weapons the weapon of choice for mass murderers?

They are not. Most mass shooters use garden variety semi automatic rifles and pistols.

 

[lefty louie]

They are not.

Even this link from a anti-2nd amendment site says that most mass murders are done with handguns.
Mother Jones releases data of US Mass Shootings during 1982-2015 | The News Teller
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Where does the car fit in, in these numbers?

 

[lefty louie]

I don't know. Why don't the Republicans show us how safe gun-laden places can be by making their next GOP convention have no restriction whatsoever on the kind of firearms people can bring in there. It would be the safest place on the planet then, wouldn't it? You know what they say: an armed society is a polite society, right?

I'm up for that.

 

[yankintx]

Another issue is how the media reports on these shootings. I don't believe that there should be a law about it, but I think journalists should come together and voluntarily not report the names and pictures of these shooters. These are usually kids that are crying out for attention and the media gives it right to them. Report on it and move on, this sounds cold but it could conceivably save lives from would be copycats.

You make a point as it does perhaps unconsciously put such thoughts into a young mans head who may already be inclined to be violent with mental illness. And I say young man as almost all these shootings are commited by them. The teen was mentally ill, perhaps flagging mental illness in high schools to get these potential future shooters into therapy ? Its well known many mental illness can manifest its self in the teens. The school ostracized this guy, probably further alienating him. The kid needed help, instead they treated him probably like he felt, alone. I'm not blaming the school but a different approach is required.

 

[calamity]

I would change the last one to Change the laws so that the mentally ill can actually be dealt with by law enforcement before they go "off".

I wonder what the Right Wing solution is for the mentally ill. I know one thing, it will not involve investing any money into helping them. That we know for sure.

 

[Rexedgar]

You do realize the AR-15 is not a big gun right? It is one of the smallest caliber rifles on the market and function no differently than any other semiautomatic rifle on the market.

Actually, multiple handguns would be a much easier scenario to kill an absurd number of people. Especially if you can corner a significant number of people into an area with only 1 escape route. It is much easier to conceal multiple handguns allowing you the element of surprise.

I think the folks in church in Texas and the students and faculty in Florida were plenty surprised. What a lame post....

 

[Masterhawk]

Then, why are these weapons the weapon of choice for mass murderers?

In 2015, there were 371 mass shootings according to the mass shooting tracker. That may seem like a lot but only 469 actually died from them. According to the tracker, a mass shooting is defined as an event where 4 or more people are deliberately killed or injured by a gun. In that same year, 15,696 Americans were murdered.
https://www.massshootingtracker.org/data/2015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

In other words, the kind of weapon most effective for mass shootings may actually be pretty irrelevant.

 

[PhysicalRemoval]

Right wing Logic

If mass murder occurs,
Was it a Muslim?
If yes --->Travel Ban
If no, Was it a Mexican?
If yes--->Build Wall
If no, Was it a Black?
If yes---->More prisons
If no, Was it a white person?
If yes, ---->Send Thoughts and Prayers

Left Wing Logic
Was it a Muslim? If yes blame anyone who notices
Was it an Illegals? if yes blame anyone who notices
Was it a Criminal? If yes attack everyone who had noting to do with the crime


"Cruz", not White, has mostly Latino origins.

 

[Maccabee]

Then, why are these weapons the weapon of choice for mass murderers?

They aren't. Pistols are as they make up 60% of mass shootings.

 

[Nap]

I think the folks in church in Texas and the students and faculty in Florida were plenty surprised. What a lame post....

Do you not believe a handgun is more able to be concealed or that either of this shootings could have been just as easily pulled off with a handgun?

 

[jamesrage]

Is there some way to view the chart from say 1989 - 2018.

Not relevant to the fact that handguns are the most used is mass shootings.

The AR-15 became mass produced and introduced to the consumer market in 1989.

That is a bold face lie. They mass produced and sold in the civilian market for at least 50 years.

https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2017/11/on-the-military-and-civilian-history-of-the-ar-15/545660/
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/.../06/gun-industry-nra-assault-weapon-timeline/

So the previous 7 years would not add much validity to the quoted stats above. And the last 3 years would certainly be germaine...Just saying

Still not relevant.

1.Mass shootings have been going on for decades. This isn't some recent phenomena as anti-2nd amendment ******s like to make it out as.

2.AR-15 rifles are not the only firearms deemed to be assault weapons by anti-2nd amendment trash. Going by the definition of the brady assault weapons ban any semiautomatic firearm that meets the following criteria-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban
Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher

Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
Barrel shroud safety feature that prevents burns to the operator
Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.

Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:

Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Detachable magazine.

This means that if you took any semiautomatic rifle with a detachable magazine and added bayonet lugs and a threaded barrel it would be classified as an assault weapon.

 

[jamesrage]

WTF is a "semi-automatic assault handgun"? :lol:

Probably a term invented by the same people who think the terms "assault weapon" and "assault rifle" synonymous. They probably figure if they attach a scary sounding name to a handgun then it would make it easier to ban.

 

[minnie616]

Sean Davis is a well thought out conservative who always has good points to make. so I read this and think it has credence.


Assault Weapons Ban: A Dumb Idea Pushed By Dumb People




I'm not saying I have all the answers. I'm just saying I don't think an assault ban is the answer.

The one thing the Brady Bill did was make those who are/were convicted of killing someone while using a banned assault gun during a
crime was they got a mandatory life sentence with no parole.

Because of the Brady Bill our friends and relatives know the two murderers who killed my husbands cousin with a semi during a robbery gone wrong ,we can know the Those responsible for robbing and killing him will spend the rest of their life’s in jail.

 

[jamesrage]

Ya I lean left to center on most things,the 2nd Amendment is in place, and I do not want to see folks loose their right to own. We all know the solutions offered by the left. I would be interested to know what Conservatives feel would be real steps to solving this issue. I am open to most ideas without eroding folks right to own.

Get rid of gun free zones. Because Gun free zone sign might as well be a huge ****ing sign that says "no one will stop you from shooting as many people as you want" or "your potential will be unable to defend themselves". Arm some of the teachers and school guards. Spread them though out the school.. But make sure its concealed carry and that none of the students know which teacher or guard has a gun. This is so that any suicidal social outcast losers can't plan on who they'll take out first or try to steal a weapon for. Nor can they plan on attacking the side of the school where there are no armed teachers or guards.

 

[Casper]

I wonder what the Right Wing solution is for the mentally ill. I know one thing, it will not involve investing any money into helping them. That we know for sure.

It should be an American solution, but I have heard little in the way of real solutions from either side on that front.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Another issue is how the media reports on these shootings. I don't believe that there should be a law about it, but I think journalists should come together and voluntarily not report the names and pictures of these shooters. These are usually kids that are crying out for attention and the media gives it right to them. Report on it and move on, this sounds cold but it could conceivably save lives from would be copycats.

With the internet and social media? That ship has sailed and it ain't coming back.

 

[TurtleDude]

So then the real question is, what is the Republican Senate, Republican house and Republican presidency doing about it?

hope the prosecutor gets the death penalty. that is how we respond to criminals who kill

 

[TurtleDude]

Then, why are these weapons the weapon of choice for mass murderers?

they are not but the publicity the anti gun press gives that weapon probably is a main reason why others are choosing it. those guns have been around and readily available since the end of the viet nam war

 

[Casper]

Not relevant to the fact that handguns are the most used is mass shootings.


That is a bold face lie. They mass produced and sold in the civilian market for at least 50 years.

https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2017/11/on-the-military-and-civilian-history-of-the-ar-15/545660/
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/.../06/gun-industry-nra-assault-weapon-timeline/


Still not relevant.

1.Mass shootings have been going on for decades. This isn't some recent phenomena as anti-2nd amendment ******s like to make it out as.

2.AR-15 rifles are not the only firearms deemed to be assault weapons by anti-2nd amendment trash. Going by the definition of the brady assault weapons ban any semiautomatic firearm that meets the following criteria-

This means that if you took any semiautomatic rifle with a detachable magazine and added bayonet lugs and a threaded barrel it would be classified as an assault weapon.

Heck it would apply to one of my Ruger 10/22's that I installed an after market stock onto, it takes 25 round mags, has a folding stock, and a pistol grip, but an assault rifle? Not in the mind of any informed firearms owner.

 

[TurtleDude]

The one thing the Brady Bill did was make those who are/were convicted of killing someone while using a banned assault gun during a
crime was they got a mandatory life sentence with no parole.

Because of the Brady Bill our friends and relatives know the two murderers who killed my husbands cousin with a semi during a robbery gone wrong ,we can know the Those responsible for robbing and killing him will spend the rest of their life’s in jail.

uh that is not correct. the federal government had no power to do that with state murders and you clearly have been given false information

 

[calamity]

It should be an American solution, but I have heard little in the way of real solutions from either side on that front.

Of course not. We don't want to house the insane until they break laws. Then the Left wants to coddle them, while the Right wants to lock them up and throw away the key.