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The 2018 Major Leage Baseball Thread

The Man said:
Derek Jeter is not the owner of the Marlins. He owns a non-controlling stake in the Marlins.

Have you ever been to Yankee Stadium? There isn’t a ghetto in Miami that is anywhere near as bad as the ghetto in the Bronx where the Yankees play.
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Medium income in the Bronx is nearly twice the amount in Little Havana.
 
Part of the Marlins attendance problem, comes from the fact that they are geographically isolated in comparison with teams like the Yankees and Red Sox.

The Yankees can draw from many millions more fans that have the luxury of hopping a train fairly close to the stadium entrance within a 2-3 hours from Philly on up to Boston.

The Red Sox are in a similar situation where they can draw routine fans from 7 states that are only a few hours by train or by car.

Almost 1/3 of the attendance at a Yankees game are fans that don't live in NY, and sitting in Fenway park is like having all of New England at the game with to you.

For the Marlins....................... it's almost 400 miles just to reach the state line.
 
Bucky said:
Baseball has more parity than football (pro, not college football).

You shouldn't hate the Yankees. They are not the evil empire anymore. They have lovable players - Judge, Big CC, Didi, etc......

What I like about the Yankees, is that they are organic. They aren't a bought team like teams in the past.

My biggest problem with the NBA is that you have Super Teams that are not organic - Miami Heat, Cleveland Cavs. It takes away from the game when the 1-5 teams have the majority of superstars. IMO it causes an imbalance of competition
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If you think thats bad wait till you see European soccer. Only 4 teams have a realistic chance of winning the Champions League. Bayern, Barca, Madrid and maybe Juventus.

All the other 100 teams or so might as well not show up
 
RetiredUSN said:
Part of the Marlins attendance problem, comes from the fact that they are geographically isolated in comparison with teams like the Yankees and Red Sox.

The Yankees can draw from many millions more fans that have the luxury of hopping a train fairly close to the stadium entrance within a 2-3 hours from Philly on up to Boston.

The Red Sox are in a similar situation where they can draw routine fans from 7 states that are only a few hours by train or by car.

Almost 1/3 of the attendance at a Yankees game are fans that don't live in NY, and sitting in Fenway park is like having all of New England at the game with to you.

For the Marlins....................... it's almost 400 miles just to reach the state line.
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Why on earth did they build that stadium there? Whose bright idea was this?
 
Seems like the new Marlin ownership might be using Jeter as a hit-man. Or at least make him the face of the Marlins while they blunder their way through 'trying' to fix the organization.

The questionable treatment of Giancarlo Stanton was Derek Jeter's latest blunder


Jeff Passan
MLB columnist

LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. – No matter what Derek Jeter says, how he tries to spin his Miami Marlins’ pennies-on-the-dollar trade of Giancarlo Stanton to the New York Yankees, the truth is nakedly evident in his franchise’s actions. From the moment he and his partners plopped down $1.2 billion to buy the Marlins, their deeds have screamed bush league. This is what it looks like when amateurs try to play-act as professionals.

On Monday, as the Stanton trade became official and the Marlins set the GPS for their immediate future into the pipes of a toilet, Jeter said on a conference call: “There isn’t anything I would have done differently.”

Really? Nothing? He wouldn’t have given Stanton the courtesy of a phone call in his first two months as owner – something that no player is owed but one with a $295 million commitment is given because it’s prudent as a person and a business owner? He wouldn’t have reconsidered the team’s threat to Stanton that if he didn’t accept a trade to the St. Louis Cardinals or San Francisco Giants, he’d be a Marlin for life – or at least until he could opt-out after the 2020 season – which was the equivalent of a 7-2 off-suit bluff against pocket aces? He wouldn’t have tried to get more for the 59-home run-hitting reigning National League MVP than Starlin Castro and two prospects, one a soon-to-be 22-year-old who hasn’t pitched above short-season Class A ball and another who’s an 18-year-old rookie-ball lottery ticket?

Either Jeter believes that and is worse at this than anyone realizes or he’s trying to talk his way out of a moment that grew too big for a neophyte and collapsed on him. Because the truth of it is, one sin of which he’s being accused – trading Giancarlo Stanton – wasn’t a sin at all. For the Marlins to dig out from the disaster left behind by Jeffrey Loria, the team’s previous owner, the pragmatic move was to deal Stanton, use the heft of his 2017 season to reload a bereft farm system and sell off every other worthwhile piece and part for a full-fledged tank job.

Along the way, even as the Marlins lost, they could have built up goodwill through their treatment of people, their commitment to becoming a first-class organization. Instead, they are the team that calls a scout to tell him his contract won’t be renewed as he’s lying in a hospital after cancer surgery. They are the team that lets go of well-liked ambassadors and popular announcers with a connection to the fan base. They bungle the easy stuff, which makes their handling of Stanton’s situation no surprise. They have taken on the herculean task of making Loria look OK by comparison with impressive aplomb.

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https://sports.yahoo.com/questionable-treatment-giancarlo-stanton-latest-blunder-derek-jeters-short-tenure-marlins-owner-024647751.html
 
Bucky said:
Why on earth did they build that stadium there? Whose bright idea was this?
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South Florida is a very high population area, fully capable of supporting a team. The problem is not lack of fan base population, but rather lack of fan base population interest in baseball.
 
Jack Hays said:
South Florida is a very high population area, fully capable of supporting a team. The problem is not lack of fan base population, but rather lack of fan base population interest in baseball.
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Yep. Which I have to admit is very surprising, given South Florida's demographic. But Florida seems to be a football state, even the Rays in TB have trouble drawing fans.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Yep. Which I have to admit is very surprising, given South Florida's demographic. But Florida seems to be a football state, even the Rays in TB have trouble drawing fans
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Have you seen that fishbowl they play in?? Ugliest stadium ever!!
Zero atmosphere, ugly carpet, doesnt feel cozy at all.

They need a new stadium
 
Desert Storm said:
Have you seen that fishbowl they play in?? Ugliest stadium ever!!
Zero atmosphere, ugly carpet, doesnt feel cozy at all.

They need a new stadium
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If you are talking about the Rays, I agree it's an awful ballpark. But IDK if building a new stadium there would help, it sure as hell didn't help in Miami..
 
Desert Storm said:
Yes TB I meant. It has to be the worst sports stadium I ever been to.

Toronto needs a new stadium too btw, ours is 28 years old
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I've never been to TB's stadium, but even on TV you can see how terrible it is. Even the acoustics are brutal. It sounds and looks like a burial crypt..
 
Jack Hays said:
South Florida is a very high population area, fully capable of supporting a team. The problem is not lack of fan base population, but rather lack of fan base population interest in baseball.
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I think I read somewhere the tv ratings for the Marlins games are through the roof, so I believe the interest is there however due to the poor location and the median income being only 15k in Little Havana, they cannot afford to go to the game.
 
Desert Storm said:
Yes TB I meant. It has to be the worst sports stadium I ever been to.

Toronto needs a new stadium too btw, ours is 28 years old
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Time for Toronto, Tampa, and Baltimore to throw in the white flag and rebuild.

I was looking at the Blue Jays position players and they are surprisingly weak. Trade Josh Donaldson, Marcus Stroman, Osuna and Aaron Sanchez for prospects.
 
Bucky said:
Time for Toronto, Tampa, and Baltimore to throw in the white flag and rebuild.

I was looking at the Blue Jays position players and they are surprisingly weak. Trade Josh Donaldson, Marcus Stroman, Osuna and Aaron Sanchez for prospects
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I think you are partially right. Josh (unfortunately) has to go. Osuna, Stro and Sanchez are keepers because they are so young. Those are guys you can build your franchise around
 
Desert Storm said:
I think you are partially right. Josh (unfortunately) has to go. Osuna, Stro and Sanchez are keepers because they are so young. Those are guys you can build your franchise around
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The Orioles had a worse record than the Blue Jays yet they still plan on keeping Machado...LOL

They should do a fire sale.
 
Bucky said:
Time for Toronto, Tampa, and Baltimore to throw in the white flag and rebuild.

I was looking at the Blue Jays position players and they are surprisingly weak. Trade Josh Donaldson, Marcus Stroman, Osuna and Aaron Sanchez for prospects.
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I’m with you on Baltimore. They could get some great pitching prospects for Machado, which I hope they do, rather than simply let his contract run out. And, they really don’t need Machado that badly. My guess is they will wait until mid-season, then trade him when a team who wants to make a World Series run will over-pay for him.
 
Bucky said:
I think I read somewhere the tv ratings for the Marlins games are through the roof, so I believe the interest is there however due to the poor location and the median income being only 15k in Little Havana, they cannot afford to go to the game.
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A stadium’s immediate neighborhood is not their only drawing area for attendance. The average Bronx resident can’t afford to go to Yankees games, yet the Yankees do pretty well in attendance. Income of the immediate area has nothing to do with attendance. Miami isn’t a big city. Marlins Park is 2 miles from down town. That’s not far to travel.
 
The Man said:
A stadium’s immediate neighborhood is not their only drawing area for attendance. The average Bronx resident can’t afford to go to Yankees games, yet the Yankees do pretty well in attendance. Income of the immediate area has nothing to do with attendance. Miami isn’t a big city. Marlins Park is 2 miles from down town. That’s not far to travel.
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I think the previous poster said NY stadium is far more accessible than Marlins park, which is correct. Florida and Georgia as a whole lack a real sports culture. Those two states lack real passionate sports fan.

People in South Florida are far more superficial than the rest of America. IMO the Marlins need to do more to attract its superficial demographic. Perhaps build a casino near the ballpark, strip clubs, bowling alley's etc...
 
Bucky said:
I think the previous poster said NY stadium is far more accessible than Marlins park, which is correct. Florida and Georgia as a whole lack a real sports culture. Those two states lack real passionate sports fan.

People in South Florida are far more superficial than the rest of America. IMO the Marlins need to do more to attract its superficial demographic. Perhaps build a casino near the ballpark, strip clubs, bowling alley's etc...
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I love watching baseball and going to games, but there are better things to do in Miami. If I lived that close to beautiful beaches with some of the hottest women in the world on them, I wouldn’t go to baseball games in the summer either.
 
Bucky said:
People in South Florida are far more superficial than the rest of America. IMO the Marlins need to do more to attract its superficial demographic. Perhaps build a casino near the ballpark, strip clubs, bowling alley's etc...
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My God. STFU.
 
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