That Uplifting Tweet You Just Shared? A Russian Troll Sent It

[3leftsdoo]

A RussTroll behind every deed,
and one in every Facebook feed.

:angel?:

 

[3leftsdoo]

Said, literally, no one.

If you wanted to have a serious conversation about the history of propaganda, you did a very poor (and wildly partisan) job of introducing the topic.

IMHO, of course.

 

[Mason66]

Even the one sent to a little kid by a pedophile?

So the kid will "like" and maybe follow him off to somewhere more "private".

The whole "Why do you gotta read something sinister into it?" bit is getting pretty worn. But it's a trump presidency, so whadaya gonna do, right?

WOW, you jumped right off the cliff with that one.

 

[marke]

I think most people with at least partially open minds are aware that investigations by our intelligence agencies, including by the Republican Senate Intelligence Committee, were unanimous in their conclusions that Russia interfered in the 2016 election and that the Russian efforts were aimed mainly at helping Trump and hurting Clinton. Many of us are also aware of the disinformation campaigns to discredit those investigations and how easily Trump supporters have fallen for them.

Apart from that, do you enjoy quoting yourself.

Not really. The DNC was the first to claim. Russia hacked their computers but that has never been proven, likely because the DNC refused to allow government investigators access to their computers.

If Russians did not hack the DNC computers then what did they do to influence the election? The Senate report states that it appears some Russians may have been posting on social media but even then the Senate could not conclude the media posts were all in Trump's favor.

 

[ArtemisBarca]

Not really. The DNC was the first to claim. Russia hacked their computers but that has never been proven, likely because the DNC refused to allow government investigators access to their computers.

If Russians did not hack the DNC computers then what did they do to influence the election? The Senate report states that it appears some Russians may have been posting on social media but even then the Senate could not conclude the media posts were all in Trump's favor.

The only place people think the Russians did not hack the DNC is in RIGHTWING world...

Literally everyone else, including trumps own intelligence sectors appointees.. I mean trump did appoint everyone’s boss in all of federal law enforcement after all..


It blows my mind that trump got caught making a shady deal with the Russians, then got caught DOING THE EXACT SAME THING IN UKRAINE this time using tax payers dollars... and his supporters still believe him when he says it is all a vast conspiracy..

A conspiracy he cannot seen to prove even with the full night of the US government behind him..


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[ocean515]

Respect is earned.

I transparently label myself as a liberal...

You post in a response to me:


Do you consider that respectful?

If you want an honest, respectful debate, I am more than willing and capable of doing do.

If you want to take shots....game on.

Yes respect is earned. You failed the test completely, "buttercup".

I made a comment about Progressives.

You replied with:

One of the most ignorant, face palm posts I have ever read.


Congrats.​

And then you laid down the "buttercup" reference.

Typical hypocritical liberal who has earned no respect.

 

[Thoreau72]

I would think the US also uses these tactics against our enemies.

Do I think the US government is using these tactics on us?

No, there is no evidence of that.

Then again, I do not think the earth is flat either. As there is no evidence of that.

Operation Mockingbird, inform yourself: Newly Declassified Govt Docs Reveal Operation Mockingbird is Alive and Well

Udo Ulfkotte, inform yourself some more: Former Newspaper Editor Who Exposed CIA Found Dead

 

[Simpletruther]

Who are these millions of trolls?
What tribe?
Link?

Left and right tribes. If you need a link, then a link wouldn’t help. You can’t recognize what is all around you. This place is eat up with misinformation to divide, so is the media.

 

[Harshaw]

I think they're exploiting what our domestic propagandists have built over the past thirty years or so.

The same elements you harp on day in and day out.

You've yet to give even a single example. You just make **** up and pretend it's true.

 

[Harshaw]

I can't say I can remember your dismissing any of it yourself, if it's part of the conservative narrative.

So, as usual (for this thread, at least), you're making **** up about me and can't provide a single example.

 

[Cramer]

If you wanted to have a serious conversation about the history of propaganda, you did a very poor (and wildly partisan) job of introducing the topic.

IMHO, of course.

I am pointing out the current Russian propaganda machine, and how clever they are at manipulating and dividing people.

How am I being partisan? (I have already noted the Trump name mistake)

 

[Cramer]

Yes respect is earned. You failed the test completely, "buttercup".

I made a comment about Progressives.

You replied with:

One of the most ignorant, face palm posts I have ever read.


Congrats.​

And then you laid down the "buttercup" reference.

Typical hypocritical liberal who has earned no respect.

You make this comment....comparing progressives/liberals to Russian trolls, and you say I am being disrespectful?

Who knew Progressives in general, and the liberal MSM media, specifically, were connected to Russia?

Do you read what you post?

 

[Cramer]

Operation Mockingbird, inform yourself: Newly Declassified Govt Docs Reveal Operation Mockingbird is Alive and Well

Udo Ulfkotte, inform yourself some more: Former Newspaper Editor Who Exposed CIA Found Dead

Regarding your first link:
Free Thought Project - Media Bias/Fact Check

Overall, we rate the Free Thought Project a Strong Conspiracy website and Low for factual reporting due to a very poor fact check record.

Looking at a more reliable source:
Operation Mockingbird - Wikipedia

Indeed Operation Mockingbird did exist. There is no evidence, it still exists. Reading the Free Thought piece, it is conjecture, and as labeled, conspiracy driven.


Regarding your 2nd link:

Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

News Punch - Media Bias/Fact Check

Wow...that is a good story.
The journalist was nuts.

Ulfkotte became known for his conspiracy theories, for instance claiming on his Kopp Verlag blog that Barack Obama ordered the burning of bibles,[9] that African sportsmen would "slaughter whites" if allowed into Germany,[10] or that Muslims were waging "fecal jihad" against Europe.[11]

Ulfkotte was involved in the far right Pro Germany Citizens' Movement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udo_Ulfkotte


Have a good day!

 

[Cramer]

Left and right tribes. If you need a link, then a link wouldn’t help. You can’t recognize what is all around you. This place is eat up with misinformation to divide, so is the media.

I concur, there is a lot of mis-information on this, and nearly every political forum.

There are many that have been taken in my a lot of conspiracy theories, or generally use FB, Twitter, or worse, their emails as news sources.

Many never look at other sources to verify news they read or hear.

But there is no evidence there is a organized large group of people, being paid to gather a following on social media, gain their trust, and then start posting or tweeting stories designed to divide people, and muck up the water so people get confused, or frustrated and stop believing anything. That is the goal. Create skepticism regarding news outlets, and/or the government.

Democracy works when more people are involved. When less people get involved, the radicals are able to gain power.

That, is not a good thing.

 

[Simpletruther]

I concur, there is a lot of mis-information on this, and nearly every political forum.

There are many that have been taken in my a lot of conspiracy theories, or generally use FB, Twitter, or worse, their emails as news sources.

Many never look at other sources to verify news they read or hear.

But there is no evidence there is a organized large group of people, being paid to gather a following on social media, gain their trust, and then start posting or tweeting stories designed to divide people, and muck up the water so people get confused, or frustrated and stop believing anything. That is the goal. Create skepticism regarding news outlets, and/or the government.

Democracy works when more people are involved. When less people get involved, the radicals are able to gain power.

That, is not a good thing.

Well they may not be getting paid, but there numbers make Russia look like s rounding error, ant it all has a similar effect to make people skeptical or divided.

 

[Cramer]

Not really. The DNC was the first to claim. Russia hacked their computers but that has never been proven, likely because the DNC refused to allow government investigators access to their computers.

If Russians did not hack the DNC computers then what did they do to influence the election? The Senate report states that it appears some Russians may have been posting on social media but even then the Senate could not conclude the media posts were all in Trump's favor.

Forensic evidence analyzed by several cybersecurity firms, CrowdStrike, Fidelis, and Mandiant (or FireEye), strongly indicates that two Russian intelligence agencies infiltrated the DNC computer systems

On December 9, 2016, the CIA told U.S. legislators the U.S. Intelligence Community concluded Russia conducted the cyberattacks and other operations during the 2016 U.S. election to assist Donald Trump in winning the presidency.[6] Multiple U.S. intelligence agencies concluded that specific individuals tied to the Russian government provided WikiLeaks with the stolen emails from the DNC,

Much more at the link.

Democratic National Committee cyber attacks - Wikipedia


Also this link:

12 Russian Intel officials indicted for allegedly hacking Clinton campaign, DNC emails: What to know | Fox News

 

[Cramer]

Well they may not be getting paid, but there numbers make Russia look like s rounding error, ant it all has a similar effect to make people skeptical or divided.

Ok, you made an assertion.

Do you have any evidence to back it up?

I agree, many people post, re-post, "like" all kinds of BS.

But are they doing it on purpose to muck up the information waters, with the intent to create confusion and apathy?

 

[3leftsdoo]

I am pointing out the current Russian propaganda machine, and how clever they are at manipulating and dividing people.

How am I being partisan? (I have already noted the Trump name mistake)

There's propaganda everywhere.

People are neither motivated nor manipulated by propaganda, nor truth, but by their bias.

 

[Simpletruther]

Ok, you made an assertion.

Do you have any evidence to back it up?

I agree, many people post, re-post, "like" all kinds of BS.

But are they doing it on purpose to muck up the information waters, with the intent to create confusion and apathy?

There intent might not be thst, but it has the same effect.

Their intent is fight for what is right, what is just, yet they often use the same kind of techniques Russians do. It’s just that it isn’t planned premeditated trickery. They might post a feel good story to bond with likeminded tribalists, not as ploy, but out of Sincerity, but the effect is the same, people bond and trust the , and they share their hate and misinformation of the other side (but again with good intentions fighting for their version truth justice and the American way).

It’s pretty much the same thing with the same effect. It happens nonstop on social media.


And of course that still leaves plenty of players who do intentionally muddy the waters to obfuscate negative aspects of their side, various accusations or bad moves from their side (or conversely painting a more negative picture of the other side) etc. good grief it happens nonstop here and in media.

 

[Cramer]

There's propaganda everywhere.

People are not motivated by either propaganda or truth, but their bias.

Bias certainly plays a role.

Everyone has biases. It is being aware of those biases, and doing one's best to remove that filter as best as one can.

However, no matter the bias, propaganda works. It is another word for advertising. There is a science behind it's methodology, and has proven to be quite effective.

 

[3leftsdoo]

Bias certainly plays a role.

Everyone has biases. It is being aware of those biases, and doing one's best to remove that filter as best as one can.

However, no matter the bias, propaganda works. It is another word for advertising. There is a science behind it's methodology, and has proven to be quite effective.

Bias is everything.

Propaganda = Less effective than a coin flip

 

[Cramer]

There intent might not be thst, but it has the same effect.

Their intent is fight for what is right, what is just, yet they often use the same kind of techniques Russians do. It’s just that it isn’t planned premeditated trickery. They might post a feel good story to bond with likeminded tribalists, not as ploy, but out of Sincerity, but the effect is the same, people bond and trust the , and they share their hate and misinformation of the other side (but again with good intentions fighting for their version truth justice and the American way).

It’s pretty much the same thing with the same effect. It happens nonstop on social media.


And of course that still leaves plenty of players who do intentionally muddy the waters to obfuscate negative aspects of their side, various accusations or bad moves from their side etc. good grief it happens nonstop here.

Hard to argue with that. There is certainly a lot of that going on, with unintended consequences being the result.


My goal is follow the truth/facts. Which today, with all the noise, can be a challenge.
I usually look at 4-5 unique sources to validate a story/news event.

Using empirical evidence, and the scientific method, does bring more clarity.

But many times, I keep some skepticism in tact.

 

[Cramer]

Bias is everything.

Propaganda = Less effective than a coin flip

I disagree.

Advertising (propaganda) is a huge, very effective industry. If it did not work, it would not be out there.

 

[3leftsdoo]

I disagree.

Advertising (propaganda) is a huge, very effective industry. If it did not work, it would not be out there.

I know you disagree.

Advertising IS huge, and at its most powerful, almost as effective as a coin flip.

If it did not work, it would not be out there?

That's just propaganda.

 

[Simpletruther]

Hard to argue with that. There is certainly a lot of that going on, with unintended consequences being the result.


My goal is follow the truth/facts. Which today, with all the noise, can be a challenge.
I usually look at 4-5 unique sources to validate a story/news event.

Using empirical evidence, and the scientific method, does bring more clarity.

But many times, I keep some skepticism in tact.

Facts are often secondary to one’s assumptions behind facts. That is why the concept of a smoking gun is so powerful. It takes way the ability to assume the best intentions from one’s own side if it’s found.

It’s why trump will likely survive this, no smoking gun. Yes given his history and personality, it’s likely he had a selfish motive behind asking for the investigation. But if someone trusts him, they will assume the best motive. And also if one doesn’t see it as a serious offense, they will pretend to assume the best motive, because his guilt isn’t a deal breaker for them. He was just doing what they all do, okay dirty politics.

Consider the long list of anonymous sources thst turned out to be wrong about trump. In the past the NYT and others would not have kept on with thst stuff without some confirmation. But facts mean less now than ratings, ideology, publicity.

As a result We now live in a world where anonymous sources mean next to nothing. Everything requires a smoking gun now in order for facts to count for something. because nobody can be trusted.