"Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle." [W:592]

[jet57]

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

There is not a single military doctrine that espouses tactics involving "mowing people down". The only circumstances that an AR-15 is useful for doing so is against unarmed civilians, and that's not a military tactic, it's a war crime.

 

[jet57]

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

You use the phrase "designed as a weapon of warfare" as if that is supposed to mean something. It's foolish.

The cannon wasn't designed for squirrel hunting - was it.

 

[Rucker61]

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

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You are definitely out of your element, Donnie. You know the rest.

 

[jet57]

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

Nice looking piece there. Here's mine.

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I have to admit, I'm a little bit proud, as it was my very first AR build, never did anything like it before, and it worked out pretty well.

Such a scary rifle. Yeah, my daughter shot it just this morning when we shared range time.

Taking a hammer and a screwdriver to it is the best thing you do with it.

 

[Rucker61]

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

The cannon wasn't designed for squirrel hunting - was it.

We're talking about the AR-15. Pay attention.

 

[Crimefree]

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

There is not a single military doctrine that espouses tactics involving "mowing people down". The only circumstances that an AR-15 is useful for doing so is against unarmed civilians, and that's not a military tactic, it's a war crime.

I thought the military used the M16 and the AR15 had never been adopted? They are not one and the same rifle other than the M16 is a development of the AR15 to make a rifle suitable for adoption.

 

[Rucker61]

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

Taking a hammer and a screwdriver to it is the best thing you do with it.

It's already assembled. There's no need to hammer in the pins or attached the pistol grip.

 

[blackjack50]

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

The cannon wasn't designed for squirrel hunting - was it.

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[BretJ]

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

We can agree on that. We will also agree then that the AR15 was originally designed as a military combat weapon and not for "home on the range".

So what?? You still have not answered why it is relevant. You still have not explained why that would make it any different than most other guns designed for military use or otherwise. Your point is pointless. What about the many guns designed for civilian use but adopted by the military???

 

[Rucker61]

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

I thought the military used the M16 and the AR15 had never been adopted? They are not one and the same rifle other than the M16 is a development of the AR15 to make a rifle suitable for adoption.

All true. That makes Jet even less cogent than usual.

 

[vash1012]

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

its sad that people accept blatant dishonesty from certain segments of our government.

Its really sad that you try to justify that after you have been edified that the military term "assault" is not facilitated by firearms that lack selective fire capability

I understand why people object to the term, but its still a term that is accepted by the bodies who a journalist look to to determine which words they should be in their pieces. It has a somewhat clear definition. The detachable magazine, flash suppressor, telescopic sight, and pistol grip on th AR-15 meets these definitions. No need to get your panties in a wad, Turtle Guy.

OH and the fire arms industry used the term extensively, especially in the 80's, along with terms like assault pistols and assault rifles in publications like Guns and Ammo and Gun Digest:

"The popularly held idea that the term 'assault weapon' originated with anti-gun activists is wrong. The term was first adopted by manufacturers, wholesalers, importers and dealers in the American firearms industry to stimulate sales of certain firearms that did not have an appearance that was familiar to many firearms owners. The manufacturers and gun writers of the day needed a catchy name to identify this new type of gun"

https://books.google.com/books?id=fd9Qc0neMjYC&pg=PA11#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

I understand why people object to the term, but its still a term that is accepted by the bodies who a journalist look to to determine which words they should be in their pieces. It has a somewhat clear definition. The detachable magazine, flash suppressor, telescopic sight, and pistol grip on th AR-15 meets these definitions. No need to get your panties in a wad, Turtle Guy.

people who actually care about the truth should reject biased and deceitful terms.

telescopic sight demonstrates that you don't even understand the term you defend

 

[Mario]

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

(chuckle)

DUDE - I didn't distort anything. I've said all along that the AR-15 was designed as a military combat weapon, and not for civilian use, and now you've got the same message right from the horse's mouth with a picture to prove it and the article explaining to you to go along. What's up is that you and the gun guys - once again - don't like being proven wrong on the issue of guns, and in particular the issue of weapons of war being sold in the open US market and being used to commit acts of terrorism and mass murder. Your defense of such weaponry is immature and bastardizes the second amendment of our Constitution as well as flies in the face of known supreme court decision.

You seem to dwell just on the criminal element in this. Fact is, far more good citizens own these for self defense or hunting or plinking. To me, for gun enthusiasts or survivalists, owning one of these makes a lot of sense. Most of the guns that civilians buy today, have been battle tested. "Weapons of War?" So what? We have a war zone in Chicago every w/e.
If I ever buy a gun, I think this will be my first purchase. It's only logical, dude.

 

[vash1012]

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

people who actually care about the truth should reject biased and deceitful terms.

telescopic sight demonstrates that you don't even understand the term you defend[/I]

You missed the part of my post where I showed it was an industry used term all throughout the 80's.

Forgive me though, I meant to say telescoping STOCK.

I see nothing wrong with having a term that distinguishes weapons with large capacity magazines and threaded barrels that can have flash suppressors and silencers from bolt action rifle or pump action shot gun. If you want to call them something else, please feel free, but the term accepted in legal and journalistic writing is assault weapons.

 

[jet57]

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

We're talking about the AR-15. Pay attention.

Just refuting your silly rhetoric with fact that's all.

People here said that gun control is unconstitutional; they were wrong and I've proved it.

People here said that the AR15 wasn't designed for military combat; they were wrong and I proved it.

Some people here said that early cannons did fire rocks; they were wrong and I proved it.

I think you guys here are just going to have to accept the fact that I DO know what I'm talking about and we should probably just stick to policy, which is what this sub forum is supposed to be about anyway.

 

[jet57]

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

It's already assembled. There's no need to hammer in the pins or attached the pistol grip.

No; uh, the hammer and screwdriver were for beating it apart...

 

[jet57]

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

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I have no idea what you're trying to say with that silly post.

 

[jet57]

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

So what?? You still have not answered why it is relevant. You still have not explained why that would make it any different than most other guns designed for military use or otherwise. Your point is pointless. What about the many guns designed for civilian use but adopted by the military???

Uh, wrong again: my point is very clear: the AR15 along with the AK47 are weapons that come under the assault class and there can be banned as has been done before with complete constitutional legality. That's a fact.

 

[faithful_servant]

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

The AR-15 is not an automatic rifle - it is a semi-auto rifle and fires one round per trigger pull just like this one:

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Remington Model 750 Woodsmaster Centerfire Rifle

But it's black and looks all scary and stuff....

 

[Rucker61]

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

Just refuting your silly rhetoric with fact that's all.

People here said that gun control is unconstitutional; they were wrong and I've proved it.

People here said that the AR15 wasn't designed for military combat; they were wrong and I proved it.

Some people here said that early cannons did fire rocks; they were wrong and I proved it.

I think you guys here are just going to have to accept the fact that I DO know what I'm talking about and we should probably just stick to policy, which is what this sub forum is supposed to be about anyway.

None of that matters one single bit. "You use the phrase "designed as a weapon of warfare" as if that is supposed to mean something. It's foolish."

 

[Rucker61]

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

No; uh, the hammer and screwdriver were for beating it apart...

Why would he want to do that? Have you done the same thing to your M1 Carbine yet? Turned in your 15 and 30 round magazines yet?

 

[Rucker61]

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

Uh, wrong again: my point is very clear: the AR15 along with the AK47 are weapons that come under the assault class and there can be banned as has been done before with complete constitutional legality. That's a fact.

How did the law define "assault weapon"? How did the law define "ban"?

What good did the law do?

 

[jet57]

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

All true. That makes Jet even less cogent than usual.

I'm quite cogent, you just disagree.

 

[BretJ]

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

Uh, wrong again: my point is very clear: the AR15 along with the AK47 are weapons that come under the assault class and there can be banned as has been done before with complete constitutional legality. That's a fact.

What properties/capabilities does an AR15 have that warrants banning? You can say that it does but you have never explained why banning an AR15 is rational yet your M1 carbine is perfectly fine. What features/capabilities make an AR pattern rifle "assault class" that other firearms, including your M1, don't have? Hint: it doesn't have any other features other firearms don't have. It was chosen because they had to choose one...For the same reason they chose the M9 pistol and now the Sig....

Assault firearm is a term appeals to the ignorant/uninformed electorate who hate them and stupid gun buyers who think it sounds cool.

 

[BretJ]

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

Why would he want to do that? Have you done the same thing to your M1 Carbine yet? Turned in your 15 and 30 round magazines yet?

He will not answer that as he has different standards for himself.