Texas Mass Shooting.

[Lursa]

Right!

Sad that your dogma is so deeply entrenched that you are unable to even entertain reality when confronted with it.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

You're baiting and insulting like you always do.

Consistent dodging and dishonesty. I've proven that the OP was an anti-partisan thread... but of course, YOU NEEDED to add in some of your partisan hackery as you always do. I have no plans on letting this go. Either you will admit what you did or I will continue to point it out so everyone can see just how hackish and dishonest your posts in this thread were.

So, my question that you refuse to answer:

In a thread that was designed to be anti-partisan, why did you choose to bring up partisan hackery?

 

[Cable]

Who is funding the right wing, with their incessant attempts to cut taxes at the expense of the sick? Who, if not the fabulously wealthy? Do you not remember Reagan turning the mentally ill into the streets? It's a long standing tradition among the moneyed interests to lower their contribution to the people of this nation. I think the absurd leap is to imagine that the poor don't deserve healthcare.

That has nothing to do with the elitist policy or tactics of the Republican party.
I think you are not qualified to diagnose yourself. Besides, I didn't say that poverty makes you crazy, I said that poverty causes stress which can make people act crazy.
Godless? That's your diagnosis. Clearly, being godful does not make someone non-violent, as the middle east and our own nation's history prove. That's a very ignorant analysis, albeit typical.
Wicked and evil are two ways that ignorant people, mired in dogma, explain the world, they are not actual conditions. Declarations of irreligious evil-ness are declarations of one's own lacking intellect.
Again, simplistic religious explanations are useless to prevent further violence, mental healthcare for people is a real part of the solution.
Sadly, it is the lack of values on the right that have created this situation. They were twisted when it became popular to call yourself a "fiscal conservative", which we now know is defined as someone who holds wealth accumulation to be the highest calling, above social justice, above the health and welfare of the people and above all brands of faith. For decades they have proudly abandoned any responsibility to care for anyone who isn't rich.
The bible is ten pounds of bull**** in a fancy cover. As long as you're looking for magical explanations for the dysfunction in our society, you are playing into the hands of demagogues on the right who use your faith against us all. Haven't you noticed how your god NEVER fails to protect the wealthy from a loss of healthcare? No, probably not.

Hey, thanks for your personal opinions. Wow, that is a lot of poor understanding on your part. Read and learn.
I will say this: Prevention of violence in the world in general is not possible without destroying all freedoms. Oddly, that is more or less the Progressive agenda. I guess we'll all be safe some day.
Social justice is a myth. But it's a good ploy if you want to silence those you disagree with.
I am not looking for magic. That is the task for the Utopian Progressive. There will be a unicorn on every acre someday...
Nobody uses my faith against me, except maybe Progressives who try to disenfranchise me based on my faith. All the while never realizing they have a faith of their own, which is not from God.
Funny, the wealthy are not protected at all, probably least of all. They are a miserable lot for the most part. Stop envying them and find the right balance in your own life.

 

[Cable]

So, as we're all well-aware, a tragic mass shooting occurred yesterday, leaving 26 dead. I want to express my condolences to the families of the victims, and I want to give thanks to Johnnie Langendorff, who helped out in chasing down the gunman. I also want to thank the man who shot Kelley. He certainly helped save lives that day, as certainly more would've been killed if he wasn't there.

Now, onto the main point of this thread. There are some people that are saying that this is the fault of the Left. For anyone that is saying that, I'm sorry, but you are an idiot. Are there far-left groups like ANTIFA known for violence? Yeah, that cannot be denied. But Patrick Kelley, the shooter in question, seems to have been a deranged lunatic. And his motivations seem to have been personal, rather than political, seeing as he had previous ties to the church. Trying to pin this tragedy on the Left for partisan political points is both stupid, and disgusting. I swear to God, people can't go 5 seconds without using tragic incidents for their own partisan benefits. It happens on the Right, it happens on the Left. It's equally annoying.

But in the wake of this horrible tragedy, what can we do about this? Is there a way we can prevent things like this from happening in the future? I'm going to echo some of my previous thoughts when the Las Vegas shooting happened: think one way we can solve this problem, is by focusing more on and improving our mental health system. Maybe we could also improve our background checking system, because the system clearly failed with him, and he should have not been able to purchase a gun.

It's a relevant thread you've got here G. I don't blame the left. This guy was just a whack-job.
The mental health issue is huge. For me, I have almost no faith in chemical help for the ill. That's just me. I figure if you have your living principles straight you won't be mentally ill. If you don't you probably will. I don't see pills fixing that.
We are far more medicated as a nation than ever, and folks seem to just be getting worse. I hear folks at work talking about their own mental illnesses fairly frequently now, and their go-to is a pill. It might cover over some of their symptoms, but it isn't going to fix the issues.
But it is a big $$ industry now, and that is a very strong driver. I don't know what to do about that except to try and influence those around me as best I can away from that path.
I will say though that a violent history along with mental illness should together be a disqualification from gun ownership. That I can agree on.
The system failed here certainly.

 

[Black Dog]

So, as we're all well-aware, a tragic mass shooting occurred yesterday, leaving 26 dead. I want to express my condolences to the families of the victims, and I want to give thanks to Johnnie Langendorff, who helped out in chasing down the gunman. I also want to thank the man who shot Kelley. He certainly helped save lives that day, as certainly more would've been killed if he wasn't there.

Now, onto the main point of this thread. There are some people that are saying that this is the fault of the Left. For anyone that is saying that, I'm sorry, but you are an idiot. Are there far-left groups like ANTIFA known for violence? Yeah, that cannot be denied. But Patrick Kelley, the shooter in question, seems to have been a deranged lunatic. And his motivations seem to have been personal, rather than political, seeing as he had previous ties to the church. Trying to pin this tragedy on the Left for partisan political points is both stupid, and disgusting. I swear to God, people can't go 5 seconds without using tragic incidents for their own partisan benefits. It happens on the Right, it happens on the Left. It's equally annoying.

But in the wake of this horrible tragedy, what can we do about this? Is there a way we can prevent things like this from happening in the future? I'm going to echo some of my previous thoughts when the Las Vegas shooting happened: think one way we can solve this problem, is by focusing more on and improving our mental health system. Maybe we could also improve our background checking system, because the system clearly failed with him, and he should have not been able to purchase a gun.

I have evidence that supports the fact it was not the left...

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Clear evidence Antifa was not involved! Too soon?

 

[TheGoverness]

"Gun control" started with post #1. Don't give me that bull**** about this thread being designed to be anti-partisan.

Dude, it's not bull****. I called out partisanship in the OP. My intention with this thread was to call out the stupid partisanship over this tragedy. I did this with the Vegas shooting as well.

 

[apdst]

Dude, it's not bull****. I called out partisanship in the OP. My intention with this thread was to call out the stupid partisanship over this tragedy. I did this with the Vegas shooting as well.

If you want to start an non-partisan thread, then don't inject gun control into it.

 

[LowDown]

How very racist.

I thought it was probably a white guy, too, just because it took place in a tiny Texas town out in the country that nobody, including me, a Texan, had ever heard of.

 

[Dragonfly]

If you want to start an non-partisan thread, then don't inject gun control into it.

Stop trying to tell other people what their intentions were.

 

[apdst]

Stop trying to tell other people what their intentions were.

Or what?

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

I agree the shooting was crazy.
Was the guy ever linked to Antifa?

no he wasnt.

He was a left wing atheist, that we do know. his motivation however was a personal grudge. I do believe his athiesm played a part in his deciding to shoot up the church not just his inlaws.

 

[RAMOSS]

I agree the shooting was crazy.
Was the guy ever linked to Antifa?

No, he was not. He was linked to domestic violence, and his mother in law attended that church.

 

[GEIxBattleRifle]

Your country needs better mental health care period. All of these shootings going on in red and blue states in gun free/gun zones.

Your level of performance in the job market shouldn't determine if you can get it or not but that's the reality of the USA.

You're expected to work until you drop dead also for whatever reason and even if you reach out for help, you won't get it most of the time.