Texas Elementary School Pathologist Fired for Not Signing Allegiance to Israel Document

[Apocalypse]

Opposing the policies of a nation’s government is not racist. Are we racist for sanctioning Zimbabwe?

Is promoting a racist group not racist?
Who's talking about opposing policies here? She's fired for not saying she wouldn't support a racist antisemitic organization, perhaps the leading antisemitic organization of this time and age.

 

[X Factor]

But in those cases the teacher could have minority students or students with military families. I can see the rational.

This seems different. And it isn’t because I oppose Israel’s policies. I would also think it was wrong to fire a teacher for supporting the Israeli government. Assuming they keep their pro or anti-Israeli government opinions out of the classroom.

I’d support the firing of a teacher that professed their allegiance to Hamas. How about you? Sincerely curious.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

Is promoting a racist group not racist?
Who's talking about opposing policies here? She's fired for not saying she wouldn't support a racist antisemitic organization, perhaps the leading antisemitic organization of this time and age.

What is racist and anti-Semitic about the boycott movement? Specifically.

 

[Apocalypse]

What is racist and anti-Semitic about the boycott movement? Specifically.

The easiest to point out is their own declaration to opposing the Jewish character of Israel - they oppose the existence of a Jewish state regardless of policies. Not of an Islamic state, not of a Christian state, not of a Dutch state and not of a Japanese state - only of a Jewish state.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

I’d support the firing of a teacher that professed their allegiance to Hamas. How about you? Sincerely curious.

I would definitely put that in a different category. Kind of like supporting the IRA back in the day. Supporting Irish independence? Perfectly ok. Supporting IRA tactics? Definitely not ok?

 

[Apocalypse]

I would definitely put that in a different category. Kind of like supporting the IRA back in the day. Supporting Irish independence? Perfectly ok. Supporting IRA tactics? Definitely not ok?

Again we're not talking about a policy we're talking about an organization with a racist agenda.
If the point wasn't about taking part in the BDS campaign against Israel, and, say, being against the Israeli immigration policy, that would clearly not be a problem to anyone.

 

[X Factor]

What is racist and anti-Semitic about the boycott movement? Specifically.

Really, what makes the boycott of a nation on the basis of religion ok?

 

[Nickyjo]

I support the firing. Yay school.

First of all, the “global tentacles” of Israel phrase is an example for me of how easy one can lapse into themes that have been part of anti-Semitism for generations. That said, the BDS platform, though it seems impractical in its demands, is from what I know of it, defensible argument on behalf of Palestinian issues. We in the US have been through a period of “loyalty oaths” required to obtain jobs in the past. (I had to sign one in the 1960s, a vestigial form of McCarthyisn United Airlines required back then. Ironically, the organizations I was asked to distance myself from no doubt involved many supported by US Jews.). Can’t imagine this current silliness would survive a legal challenge.

 

[Nickyjo]

Really, what makes the boycott of a nation on the basis of religion ok?

On the basis of religion yes. But how is boycotting Israel on the basis of its religion? Seems to me it is, right or wrong, on the basis of its policies.

 

[Nickyjo]

And yet, I’m never proven wrong. What if a teacher was a global warming skeptic and was fired for that. Would you take any issue with that?

Depends on if they are teaching science and ignore evidence of climate change.

 

[truthatallcost]

Is promoting a racist group not racist?
Who's talking about opposing policies here? She's fired for not saying she wouldn't support a racist antisemitic organization, perhaps the leading antisemitic organization of this time and age.

This is like trying to debate a wall. You can't define which race BDS is racist against, yet it's a racist movement nonetheless. You contradict your own viewpoint with broken logic.

 

[JoanDavis]

So you support public schools being able to tell their employees what political positions they can support?

It appears so. I just can't imagine a school - or any business or government department - firing someone because they won't support a foreign country. Would the trumpsters be cheering if she was fired because she refused to pledge her allegiance to Russia or Saudi Arabia?

Sheesh the far right can take their pro-Israel BS and shove it where the sun don't shine.

 

[JoanDavis]

I guess the next step is for the school to begin expelling students who refuse to pledge allegiance to Israel as well. I guess this is one way to tell muslims they aren't welcome at this school.

Seriously - when did Israel become the owner of the USA?

 

[Myview]

I can condone BDS actions by individuals and businesses. I can see how complicated it can get when governments from local to federal try to impose its collective view of Israel on employees and businesses. When I was a much younger man I supported all activities of Israel without question. Now I question. I don't think it is proper or constitutional for government to impose its view of Israel and then retaliate with damage if individuals or business have opposing or neutral views.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

Really, what makes the boycott of a nation on the basis of religion ok?

They aren’t boycotting Israel because they are Jews, they are boycotting them based on their treatment of the Palestinians. Numerous Jewish groups support the BDS movement so the contention that it based in some kind of anti-semitism just doesn’t hold water for me. The stated goals of the BDS movement are pretty clear. There are certainly anti Semitic movements and organizations out there, but I have yet to see anything that leads me to believe BDS is mong them.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

Again we're not talking about a policy we're talking about an organization with a racist agenda.
If the point wasn't about taking part in the BDS campaign against Israel, and, say, being against the Israeli immigration policy, that would clearly not be a problem to anyone.

Please demonstrate to me that the BDS is anti-semetic rather than simply opposing Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. I don’t have a dog in this fight. I’ll believe what the evidence shows me. And it is entirely possible that I am not aware of certain facts that would change my mind. But based on what I have seen from those participating in the movement their demands are pretty straight forward and are not anti Semitic. Reasonable people can debate whether the demands are realistic or not, but I don’t see the racism. The claim of racism strikes me as a similar cop out that some liberals used in calling Obama’s detractors racist, or Hillary’s detractors misogynistic.

 

[truthatallcost]

It appears so. I just can't imagine a school - or any business or government department - firing someone because they won't support a foreign country. Would the trumpsters be cheering if she was fired because she refused to pledge her allegiance to Russia or Saudi Arabia?

Sheesh the far right can take their pro-Israel BS and shove it where the sun don't shine.

Not the far right Joan. It's the tepid moderate right that supports pledging allegiance to Israel.

 

[truthatallcost]

Nice window onto how our freedoms are being systematically removed by government, a problem that nowhere near enough people care about.

Bingo Hawk.

 

[CJ 2.0]

Not the far right Joan. It's the tepid moderate right that supports pledging allegiance to Israel.

Yes, the reactionary right aligns pretty closely to the radical progressive left when it comes to such things.

Same as it ever was.


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[Apocalypse]

Please demonstrate to me that the BDS is anti-semetic rather than simply opposing Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. I don’t have a dog in this fight. I’ll believe what the evidence shows me. And it is entirely possible that I am not aware of certain facts that would change my mind. But based on what I have seen from those participating in the movement their demands are pretty straight forward and are not anti Semitic. Reasonable people can debate whether the demands are realistic or not, but I don’t see the racism. The claim of racism strikes me as a similar cop out that some liberals used in calling Obama’s detractors racist, or Hillary’s detractors misogynistic.

I did in a previous comment.
They are also recognized as antisemitic by not just Israel and the US but also France, Germany, Canada, Australia, etc.

 

[WillyPete]

I was all ready for this to be a story about a private school and was prepared to say, “well, it is a private school. They can do that if they want.”

So I was a bit taken aback that it was a public school. WTF?! What were they thinking? Let’s hope the courts set this straight ASAP.

I expect their interest is tied to the state's military production and/or oil industry.

I assume this is a requirement for all state-funded contractors, rather than this man being targeted for his background.

Looks to me like the MIC becoming codified to such a point that it's flopping over into unrelated areas.

It appears to the Texas legislature it's more important that someone declare allegiance to Israel (because anything less is outright offensive) than it is that their children with difficulties receive specialized therapy in school.

 

[OlNate]

And yet, I’m never proven wrong. What if a teacher was a global warming skeptic and was fired for that. Would you take any issue with that?

To be fair, brother, you can't be proven wrong when you're discussing hypotheticals. Do you have any examples of these things happening?

Also, I find it interesting, given our past discussions about how easily the word "racism" gets thrown around to silence opposition, that you would tolerate it in this context. BDS is not aimed at eradicating "a race" or hurting "a race", its goal is to end problematic governmental practices through individual economic choices designed to create economic pressure. As a Texas Proud Conservative, I'm surprised you have an issue with that. Is there a quota folks should observe to ensure they are buying enough goods from Israel to not be labelled a racist?

 

[Grand Mal]

Why do I get the feeling that if a teacher was fired for not agreeing to boycott Israel, that would go unquestioned. :lol:

Because your mind can only deal in extremes? Everything is either 'all this' or it's 'all that', and if something absurd happens that reflects badly on the right you automatically feature the opposite extremity for the comfort it brings you.
That's just my guess, mind you. Professional advice might be indicated.

 

[Grand Mal]

Not the far right Joan. It's the tepid moderate right that supports pledging allegiance to Israel.

True that. The far right is too antisemitic.

 

[truthatallcost]

Yes, the reactionary right aligns pretty closely to the radical progressive left when it comes to such things.

Same as it ever was.


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True that. The far right is too antisemitic.

Look who supports the firing of a pathologist for disabled children, it's the moderate right, and left. In reality, the moderates are the extremists in this case, as they would prefer to put an American out of work to support an anti-American practice.