Texas bill passes commitee to restrict Transgender bathroom access.

[Henrin]

Are there even any documented cases of a mtf transgender person molesting a child in a womens' room?

Do you think a child molester gives a crap what's on a sign?

And why do you not care if male children have their space invaded?

Sexual predators would be more likely to use men's restroom as it stands now simply because they are men usually speaking. This is why the men's restroom has more of a problem with the issue than the woman's restroom. Now, do you realize that men under report such crimes? I bet some guy touching another guy while peeing or whatever happens way more than reported.

 

[Northern Light]

What's the point of even having the discussion if people are calling trans women "men in women's dresses". The transphobia in this thread is rife and a non-starter to any real dialogue.

Just let the courts deal with it. There's no point in arguing with bigots, I've learned. The willfully ignorant will never learn. :shrug:

 

[Henrin]

What's the point of even having the discussion if people are calling trans women "men in women's dresses". The transphobia in this thread is rife and a non-starter to any real dialogue.

Well, a MTF doesn't change your sex, so they are men in women in dress. Well, assuming they are wearing a dress anyway.

 

[Northern Light]

Well, a MTF doesn't change your sex, so they are men in women in dress. Well, assuming they are wearing a dress anyway.

So you believe non-operative transwomen are not women, and that having testes negates womanhood. Got it.

Please note your opinion is irrelevant to medical science and whether or not these women are actually women. :shrug:

 

[Henrin]

So you believe non-operative transwomen are not women, and that having testes negates womanhood. Got it.

Please note your opinion is irrelevant to medical science and whether or not these women are actually women. :shrug:

They're not women and science agrees with me on the subject. Causing hormonal imbalance in men doesn't cause sex change, moving around a penis to look and somewhat operate like a vagina doesn't cause a sex change. Nothing about your argument is going to defeat mine. Oh and you might want to notice why they have testes that are fully operational in the first place.

So no, men suffering from a serious hormonal imbalance doesn't make them women. You should probably apologize to men that had such issues naturally. It's nice to know that you're so arrogant that you think you can just declare I'm wrong though. lol

 

[JayDubya]

So you believe non-operative transwomen are not women, and that having testes negates womanhood. Got it.

Please note your opinion is irrelevant to medical science and whether or not these women are actually women. :shrug:

"Non-operative trans women with testes,"

aka "Dudes."

 

[Henrin]

"Non-operative trans women with testes,"

aka "Dudes."

The absurdity of the pro trans rights people is too much. Look, I want to them to have rights too, but seriously, facts are important. Trying to deceive the population with bull**** that people can change their sex is not helpful to anyone including transgenders.

I wonder what happens when they go off the drugs? Oh right, they're hormones go back to their natural balance. You know, because they're a man. :lamo

 

[JayDubya]

The absurdity of the pro transrights people is too much. Look, I want to them to have rights too, but seriously, facts are important.

I mean if dudes are willing and able to pay someone willing and able to chop off their man parts, that's their business and all, and more power to 'em, I guess. :shrug:

 

[Henrin]

I mean if dudes are willing and able to pay someone willing and able to chop off their man parts, that's their business and all, and more power to 'em, I guess. :shrug:

Honestly, I can't condone that in either direction. I don't think people getting operations that lead to people thinking they're the opposite sex is wrong and I think castrating someone because they think they're a woman is also wrong. I mean, I understand that the reasons for the condition, but still, morally speaking the treatment is wrong.

 

[Northern Light]

They're not women and science agrees with me on the subject. Causing hormonal imbalance in men doesn't cause sex change, moving around a penis to look and somewhat operate like a vagina doesn't cause a sex change. Nothing about your argument is going to defeat mine. Oh and you might want to notice why they have testes that are fully operational in the first place.

So no, men suffering from a serious hormonal imbalance doesn't make him a woman. You should probably apologize to men that had such issues naturally. It's nice to know that you're so arrogant that you think you can just declare I'm wrong though. lol

The fact that you continue to be wrong requires no special treatment as I'm sure you're used to it by now. It's been explained to you numerous times in gross and subtle ways, yet you still demonstrate no understanding of the difference between sex and gender. If you did, you would realize your obsession with genitalia and hormones has nothing to do with fundamental trans identity. You push a brand of anti-intellectualism that feigns scientific background when you clearly don't grasp the very basics of the matter being discussed, which are medically, scientifically and psychologically established. That's why you keep pushing your opinion as fact.

You fall into the exact category of ignorant bigots I mentioned earlier. Like I said, the courts will just need to decide this, like all other minority identity issues. The willfully ignorant will never change. After 6 months on my ignore list, I thought I'd remove you and give you another chance. Nope. Right back on it you go. Your posts take up valuable page space that I'd rather reserve for more thoughtful posts.

:2wave:

 

[Henrin]

The fact that you continue to be wrong requires no special treatment as I'm sure you're used to it by now. It's been explained to you numerous times in gross and subtle ways, yet you still demonstrate no understanding of the difference between sex and gender. If you did, you would realize your obsession with genitalia and hormones has nothing to do with fundamental trans identity. You push a brand of anti-intellectualism that feigns scientific background when you clearly don't grasp the very basics of the matter being discussed, which are medically, scientifically and psychologically established. That's why you keep pushing your opinion as fact.

You fall into the exact category of ignorant bigots I mentioned earlier. Like I said, the courts will just need to decide this, like all other minority identity issues. The willfully ignorant will never change. After 6 months on my ignore list, I thought I'd remove you and give you another chance. Nope. Right back on it you go. Your posts take up valuable page space that I'd rather reserve for more thoughtful posts.

:2wave:

No facts and all attacks. Thanks for playing. Oh and no, people that think gender and sex are not connected are just ignorant. Not like that had anything whatsoever to do with my argument, but still.

In all honestly, you people can have the dumb gender argument because to me it's irrelevant. Even if for some dumb reason you turn out right on that argument(which you're not) then I will still hold my position because I never cared about that part of the argument anyway.

 

[JayDubya]

Honestly, I can't condone that in either direction. I don't think people getting operations that lead to people thinking they're the opposite sex is wrong and I think castrating someone because they think they're a woman is also wrong. I mean, I understand that the reasons for the condition, but still, morally speaking the treatment is wrong.

I don't see a moral concern here, anymore than I do with other wholly elective things like plastic surgery; as long as you're not hurting anyone else, it's really your business.

What I resent is the dogged insistence everyone has on arm-twisting coercion to pretend to be part of the mass hallucination.

 

[Henrin]

I don't see a moral concern here, anymore than I do with other wholly elective things like plastic surgery; as long as you're not hurting anyone else, it's really your business.

What I resent is the dogged insistence everyone has on arm-twisting coercion to pretend to be part of the mass hallucination.

I think when you're talking about their profession you're talking about treating people with the goal of making their body in better working condition, not to remove function and healthy parts.

Oh and yeah, I don't like being told that I have to accept something for this or that reason. The fact is it is my decision if I am going to accept something, not anyone else's. All this stupid name calling because I don't agree is uncalled for and unproductive. You would think the left would get a clue to drop the stupid isms and phobias, but nope. They're the self appointed moral social authorities on everything and if you don't agree then you're obviously hateful. **** them, seriously.

 

[JayDubya]

I think when you're talking about their profession you're talking about treating people with the goal of making their body in better working condition, not to remove function and healthy parts.

Oh and yeah, I don't like being told that I have to accept something for this or that reason. The fact is it is my decision if I am going to accept something, not anyone else's. All this stupid name calling because I don't agree is uncalled for and unproductive. You would think the left would get a clue to drop the stupid isms and phobias, but nope. They're the self appointed moral social authorities on everything and if you don't agree then you're obviously hateful. **** them, seriously.

I mean boob jobs aren't therapeutic... can be comforting for some who had to have a mastectomy due to cancer, of course, but...

Libertarian sensibilities, to me, mean not being offended or bothered by a free market exercise like hiring someone to do an elective, cosmetic surgery like what we're talking about here.

They do not, of course, oblige me to say that someone who had a boob job has always had natural double Ds their whole life. And I suppose this is a related concept isn't it... since the dudes who have the one thing done will often get fake boobs too?

 

[Henrin]

I mean boob jobs aren't therapeutic... can be comforting for some who had to have a mastectomy due to cancer, of course, but...

Libertarian sensibilities, to me, mean not being offended or bothered by a free market exercise like hiring someone to do an elective, cosmetic surgery like what we're talking about here.

I think it's OK for a libertarian to say a market exercise is immoral.

They do not, of course, oblige me to say that someone who had a boob job has always had natural double Ds their whole life. And I suppose this is a related concept isn't it... since the dudes who have the one thing done will often get fake boobs too?

Not usually, no. They might if they don't like the size they ended up with, but usually they don't.

 

[JayDubya]

I think it's OK for a libertarian to say a market exercise is immoral.



Not usually, no. They might if they don't like the size they ended up with, but usually they don't.

I mean I don't have any basis for calling anything immoral if it doesn't violate the principle of non-aggression.

Paying someone to cosmetically alter your body through surgery only hurts you and that's pain you not only consent to but have sought out and are willing to pay through the nose for. There's no one wronged by such a thing.


Of course, when and if the state foots the bill for such cosmetic surgery... then we are all wronged.

 

[Northern Light]

"Non-operative trans women with testes,"

aka "Dudes."

Oh look, another one. :roll:

 

[JayDubya]

Oh look, another one. :roll:

Sorry, there are a few sane folks left. I'm sure sooner or later you'll get us all to admit war is peace, though.

 

[joG]

Wait, you guys think big box stores are losing business to Amazon et al because of Obama and his LGBT policies?

:lamo

I am quite afraid that it was exactly that that was in his mind.

 

[CLAX1911]

If you are transgender and living in Texas, feel proud of your republican heritage.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-senate-committee-approves-bathroom-bill-153143424.html

If you are trans you likely will have no issue using the restroom of the gender which you identify as. So far we haven't seen crotch patrols at public restrooms

 

[Scrabaholic]

I wonder if people are now going to remove the bathroom doors in their homes - I mean if you can take care of your body functions around who knows what sex strangers in restrooms at the mall, why should family be a problem in your own home, right?

WTF?????

No wonder big box stores are losing business and closing, and people are losing their jobs as a result; it's less headache to shoppers to just order stuff online and have it delivered to their home than to deal with this latest bright idea nonsense!

OMG, people shop online for convenience. It beats driving to a store, finding a parking space and walking around the store, standing in line at the cash etc. Has nothing to do with trans people in washrooms. Trans have been using the washroom of their identified gender for decades and it was never an issue. Why all of a sudden are the transphobes coming out of the woodwork?

 

[Deuce]

As with all threads on this subject, I must once again remind the social conservatives that Texas is attempting to require this individual:



to use a ladies' room.

 

[Henrin]

As with all threads on this subject, I must once again remind the social conservatives that Texas is attempting to require this individual:

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to use a ladies' room.

Oh look, that woman taking pictures in the restroom again. Looks like they are in different restroom this time too. She's a great representative to use for transgenders acting appropriately in the restroom. Congrats.

 

[chromium]

A solution to a problem that didn't exist to appease bigots.

Noice.

well that's the entire republican platform, along with reverse robin hood

 

[chromium]

I never said I approved of it. What I said is that I'm not sure how complaining about requiring papers to go to the bathroom is a valid complaint in a country that requires papers to do all sorts of activities. Is it somehow more valid to require a forty year old to get carded when buying alcohol? If so, why?

Because it's a basic biological function and the alternative is to piss in the streets if you forgot this document that's used for basically nothing else. Except pissing in the streets is illegal too

Here texas wants to do force trans kids into the bathroom that's humiliating for them while doing nothing to find a compromise such as requiring a unisex bathroom for them. It's very analogous the demands i've heard for gay men to stay away from same sex facilities, yet no one seems to want to build new ones. These laws are designed entirely to segregate, to force lgbt away from everyone else, and to shame them and score political points off them. It's revolting in every way