Tell the truth Republicans. Did you guys really not know that Donald Trump with this corrupt?

[Pound4abrown]

John Gotti supporters said the same thing all the way to the end.

And by the time you see the unrolled plastic sheeting in front of you, it is too late.

 

[Pound4abrown]

Think about how horrible our evangelicals, who put their faith in Donald Trump, look at this moment.

Many of them are just as corrupt.

I think the word you are looking for is "more". Definitely more corrupt.

 

[veritas1]

Yea, I can't believe how Trump extorted the President of the Ukraine by withholding US loan guarantees because their state prosecutor was investigating his son's business dealings and then bragged about it. Oh wait, that was Biden. Of course, Democrat crimes are all to be ignored. (See Clinton, Hillary)

 

[Hondo]

Who are you kidding?

There is no "both sides" to the truth. There are not "liberal" facts and "conservative" facts. Facts do not have an ideology.

Your outrage is contrived. You're a right winger who subscribes to the long-discredited "liberal media" narrative...and that means that you're also likely a bit of a conspiracy theorist, as well.

Like a slowing increasing number of conservatives these days, you appear to be a Trump acolyte who is looking for a backdoor way to begin distancing yourself from a man whose scandals are becoming too much...even for people like you...to continue to ignore.

But it won't work.

Look at my voting record in my profile. Perot, Clinton, Bush, Obama Trump. I'm right wing by today's standards of Dems being socialist. I'd vote for Tulsi. CNN and FOX are infotainment. Where can I go to hear a Walter Cronkite? Nowhere! I grew up on Cronkite. It sucks when you can't trust media.

 

[Pound4abrown]

Yea, I can't believe how Trump extorted the President of the Ukraine by withholding US loan guarantees because their state prosecutor was investigating his son's business dealings and then bragged about it. Oh wait, that was Biden. Of course, Democrat crimes are all to be ignored. (See Clinton, Hillary)

Someone should indict him and take him to trial. Wonder why that hasn't happened?

 

[smallvoice]

...was this corrupt.

He's been the same way since the 1980s. All you had to do was open your eyes or do a little research to find out how the guy operates. None of this was a secret. Did you just ignore the truth because you wanted 1 or 2 things?

Or is this all about guaranteeing that the 1st president after the 1st minority president was someone who could be savage to your political opponents?

Whether we did or not is irrelevant once you ran Hilarity.....You are as much at fault as the R's.

 

[smallvoice]

They were shocked that he won and those who spoke out about what a terrible person he is decided to put politics above what would be good for the country. They are shameless and selfish and hopefully they are going down in 2020.

Sorry, but he's not going down in 2020, UNLESS you folks come up with a GOOD candidate.

 

[iguanaman]

Coming from the party of Hillary Clinton, that is the most laughable post I have seen in quite a while. When you support a candidate that is so despicable and corrupt that she gets beat by Donald Trump, and then bitch about how bad Trump is, thats saying something.

And before you start whining about (She won the popular vote) SHE LOST and it was because of your own party. How do you think Trump took 5 blue states. Republican votes only?

Oh, whats the next excuse coming. (Democrat turn out was horrible) If that is the case, sounds like they didn't like her either. Not even enough to vote for her to beat Trump.

Now your running candidates promising free healthcare at tax payer expense for all Illegals, Decriminalization of Illegals, Gun confiscations, 3rd trimester abortions, the elimination or ICE and DHS? And you are expecting a different result?

There is nothing more loony than a leftist crying about Trump that lost an election to Trump. If the left doesn't get their head out of their asses with these idiotic far left candidates, they are going to see another 4 years of Trump.

The left created this position for Trump. How in the hell does a reality show host win a presidential election? By running against the foulest candidate in the history of this country. Thats how Trump won. And you blame it on some extreme idea like its because of 63 million cultist? Go ahead, keep that thought while Trump wins again.

Did Trump win by some landslide, No. He won because even the independents and Democrats voted for him. They would have voted for Satan himself over Clinton and just maybe they did.

So what do you do about it? You continue the name calling, the fake claims, the fake news, the fake charges and Trump keeps winning over and over. What do you think that is telling this country? It tells them you are wrong over and over. So keep pissing people off, keep blaming your loss on everyone but yourself, keep calling people that voted for Trump vile crap, and see what happens in 2020. You saw what happened in 2016.

Are you going to do the same thing you did in 2016 expecting a different result? Have you even noticed that CNN tanked to the lowest rated cable news provider? Did you ever wonder why?

There is nothing more despicable than justifying the election of the most corrupt and incompetent President in history by saying his opponent was worse. It is ridiculous to suppose what Hillary might have done as President and you cannot back anything you said about her up with facts or evidence. As you said Trump won and the discussion is about him alone. The collapse of the GOP is what brought us Trump and it is a lesson we should not forget. When a party embraces self-gratification and corruption as their platform we should not be surprised that they chose Trump as their poster child. You will not get away with blaming Democrats for the GOP's failure. They did not create the unholy alliance of racists, evangelicals, and greedy billionaires. That was the Republicans choice.

 

[Waddy]

So your standard is squeaky clean, and not squeaky clean? Yes, that's absurd of you to suggest..always the false equivlancy. That's how you know you're backing terrible people, when you have to lower the standards to the point they have no meaning.
Your are not making a case for why he's good, or why you are correct. You are giving us an excuse for why you choose to support terrible people...I accept that's your position...nothing to debate there.


Hilariously stupid. Trump is no better or worse...no one is any better or worse, therefore nothing matters. Maybe you're not just evidencing apathy, but nihilism.
NOTHING CAN BE MEASURED!!

Fail as much as you like in rebuttal, I don't mind. Why even respond? Nothing matters according to Waddy, we can't differentiate good from bad, right or wrong....1000 violations vs 1, they are IDENTICAL!

You are defintiely at the top in terms of dumb arguments though.

Trump being corrupt is irrelevant people, because EVERYONE is just as corrupt!!
Shout it Waddy, I love it!

You got a bad case of Trump Derangement Syndrome there. Trump is no better or worse than any other politician. I stand by that.

 

[Condor060]

And she's still a thousand times more honest than Donald Trump.

That is, by far, the most beautiful thing about this whole Trump era. You guys picked the biggest crook possible.

People will eventually stop saying "he's like Nixon" they'll say "he's like Trump" when pointing out a crook.

And you picked a candidate so despicable and so vile that (to use your own words) even a racist, homophobic, pedophile, misogynist, Nazi, Islamophobic, womanizer, felon, child killer, gay hating, lying, criminal like Trump kicked her ass.

Doesn't say much for your party now does it. That you could field such a candidate that would be brought down by a person like this.

That sword cuts both ways, doesn't it.

 

[Waddy]

Sorry, but ANYONE who "couldn't be sure about Trump"...was either gullible or stupid. Either way, they were almost certainly just angry white folk looking for reasons to explain their support for Trump. But we KNOW...for a FACT...that support for Trump was primarily link most directly to one thing: high levels of racial resentment and cultural fear.

And as for your ridiculous "corrupt Democrats" narrative:

Let's see...

Hillary: zero indictments
Pelosi: Zero indictments
Reed: Zero indictments

"Other Democrats"???....let's see:
Obama: Zero indictments, the president in the last 150 years to complete 2 full terms without ONE SINGLE ethical or corruption scandal.

Bill Clinton: yep, there you go. He did lie about his sexual conquests and he probably did get away with sexual harassment (if not assault) in his past as well.

So, there's your "corrupt Democrat".

Trump Administration: 35+ indictments, 13 convictions and/or guilty pleas...and counting.

No contest. Trump is the most corrupt president (already, after only 2.5 years) in the HISTORY of this country. That is not arguable. The only questions are with respect to "why"?...and..."to what end?"

Let's at least try to be honest about the facts in these debates, ok?

Let me know when TRUMP gets indicted. Then I'll worry about it.

 

[veritas1]

Someone should indict him and take him to trial. Wonder why that hasn't happened?

Easy. No Democrat would ever do it and, if a Republican were to do so, all we'd hear is wailing about political payback, as though prosecuting crimes should have an ideological litmus test. That Biden committed a crime is obvious. What's amazing is that he's dumb enough (or brazen enough knowing he'll get away with it) to brag about it publicly. He also took his son along on AF2 to China where more "business dealings" occurred. One can only imagine what quid pro quo went down. It's as corrupt as it gets.

 

[SheWolf]

If Obama's lawyer had a fake company to accept bribes to pay off porn stars, can you even imagine?

If Obama didn’t release his tax returns, they would say he was funded by terrorists

 

[veritas1]

Sorry, but he's not going down in 2020, UNLESS you folks come up with a GOOD candidate.

Nobody proposing what the Dems are can possibly get elected. The Green New Deal would cost TWENTY times the annual US budget. Free healthcare for illegals? More trillions. Oh, and they're going to take your guns, too. Not criminals' guns, your guns. Trump should win 37-40 states on a bad day.

 

[Helix]

If Obama didn’t release his tax returns, they would say he was funded by terrorists

didn't they say that anyway? i seem to remember that he was an alleged secret Kenyan Muslim.

then the electorate took one of the two dumbest proponents of that CT and made him president. perhaps Orly will get her turn someday, as well. derp

 

[CaughtInThe]

Since the 70's, actually.

That was when he and his daddy were first forced to settle with the federal government for racial discrimination in public housing projects.

And, let's not forget that Donald was raised at the knee of his daddy (Fred), a man who was once arrested at a KKK rally, that turned into a riot, against Jews and Catholics moving into the Queens (NY) area.

So Donald comes by his bigotry and racism "honestly". It's in his genes, as they say.

The dude has been a crook his entire life and in comes our 1st minority president then followed by republicans voting in the biggest crook they can find.

It had to happen this way.

 

[ultmd]

Coming from the party of Hillary Clinton, that is the most laughable post I have seen in quite a while. When you support a candidate that is so despicable and corrupt that she gets beat by Donald Trump, and then bitch about how bad Trump is, thats saying something.

And before you start whining about (She won the popular vote) SHE LOST and it was because of your own party. How do you think Trump took 5 blue states. Republican votes only?

Oh, whats the next excuse coming. (Democrat turn out was horrible) If that is the case, sounds like they didn't like her either. Not even enough to vote for her to beat Trump.

Now your running candidates promising free healthcare at tax payer expense for all Illegals, Decriminalization of Illegals, Gun confiscations, 3rd trimester abortions, the elimination or ICE and DHS? And you are expecting a different result?

There is nothing more loony than a leftist crying about Trump that lost an election to Trump. If the left doesn't get their head out of their asses with these idiotic far left candidates, they are going to see another 4 years of Trump.

The left created this position for Trump. How in the hell does a reality show host win a presidential election? By running against the foulest candidate in the history of this country. Thats how Trump won. And you blame it on some extreme idea like its because of 63 million cultist? Go ahead, keep that thought while Trump wins again.

Did Trump win by some landslide, No. He won because even the independents and Democrats voted for him. They would have voted for Satan himself over Clinton and just maybe they did.

So what do you do about it? You continue the name calling, the fake claims, the fake news, the fake charges and Trump keeps winning over and over. What do you think that is telling this country? It tells them you are wrong over and over. So keep pissing people off, keep blaming your loss on everyone but yourself, keep calling people that voted for Trump vile crap, and see what happens in 2020. You saw what happened in 2016.

Are you going to do the same thing you did in 2016 expecting a different result? Have you even noticed that CNN tanked to the lowest rated cable news provider? Did you ever wonder why?

:lamo
I see what you're doing here, lately, Condor.

But you're a Trump acolyte. It's too late for you to distance yourself from him, now.

That said...anyone trying to make the case that Hillary was more corrupt than Trump...is a fool. Objectively, irrefutably...a fool. Plain and simple.

That said...a little house-keeping is in order for some of you FAKE NEWS "facts", above:

-"The Left" didn't create Trump. Trump is that direct byproduct of the groundswell of racial resentment within the culturally conservative white middle class community in the aftermath of the election of Barack Obama. It began with the Tea Movement (which was a fake, astroturf movement created by the Kochs and others), and culminated with Trump.

• -Independents did not swing toward Trump. In FACT, the split margin for self-identified "Independents" was the same as the 2012 election
• -Democrats did NOT swing toward Trump in 2016. In FACT, Trump got only 8% of the Democratic vote, same as Romney in 2012.
• -In FACT, the 2016 election was decided by MINORITY turnout, which was down somewhat from 2012, 2008 and 2004.

 

[Condor060]

There is nothing more despicable than justifying the election of the most corrupt and incompetent President in history by saying his opponent was worse. It is ridiculous to suppose what Hillary might have done as President and you cannot back anything you said about her up with facts or evidence. As you said Trump won and the discussion is about him alone.

Except the fact that she was so hideous she lost two elections. So theres that.

The collapse of the GOP is what brought us Trump and it is a lesson we should not forget. When a party embraces self-gratification and corruption as their platform we should not be surprised that they chose Trump as their poster child. You will not get away with blaming Democrats for the GOP's failure. They did not create the unholy alliance of racists, evangelicals, and greedy billionaires. That was the Republicans choice.

Yeah yeah yeah, You guys were spewing these regurgitation's prior to the election. Only problem is, Democrats voted for Trump as well. How to you think he turned 5 blue states.

But you keep up the good work. Doing the same thing you did in 2016 looking for a different result. We do appreciate ya.

 

[iguanaman]

Except the fact that she was so hideous she lost two elections. So theres that.



Yeah yeah yeah, You guys were spewing these regurgitation's prior to the election. Only problem is, Democrats voted for Trump as well. How to you think he turned 5 blue states.

But you keep up the good work. Doing the same thing you did in 2016 looking for a different result. We do appreciate ya.

I do not want to get into the Russian meddling in the 3 Blue States that Trump won by a total of 75,000 votes but suffice it to say that Trump had outside help that very likely threw the election. It will not happen again and you are rightly terrified. I can see that you are backpedaling frantically to keep the GOP from going down with the Trumptanic. Good luck with that.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Whether we did or not is irrelevant once you ran Hilarity.....You are as much at fault as the R's.

Nope. You don't get to elect a person a thousand times more corrupt than another person just because you think the 1st person is corrupt. That's just people trying to skirt responsibility.

 

[Jay59]

Stupid comments. Anyone who honestly believes the news was "evenly divided by parties" 100 years ago is simply ignorant of his own history.

You immediately devolve to name calling. This has been getting the Democrats in trouble for years. It's not nice when you call your opponent names. It's counterproductive when you slap pejorative labels on your own voters.

100 years ago most cities would have at least one paper backing each party. Radio was brand new and TV existed only in a lab.

 

[CaughtInThe]

And you picked a candidate so despicable and so vile that (to use your own words) even a racist, homophobic, pedophile, misogynist, Nazi, Islamophobic, womanizer, felon, child killer, gay hating, lying, criminal like Trump kicked her ass.

Doesn't say much for your party now does it. That you could field such a candidate that would be brought down by a person like this.

That sword cuts both ways, doesn't it.

What it really tells us is how masterful Republican Media is. They can take a person and make them seem horrible compared to the biggest crook in the country.

I give Fox News and Rush Limbaugh massive credit. They knew you guys were so gullible you would elect John Gotti. And they really only had to play on two of your fears.

 

[Condor060]

:lamo
I see what you're doing here, lately, Condor.

But you're a Trump acolyte. It's too late for you to distance yourself from him, now.

That said...anyone trying to make the case that Hillary was more corrupt than Trump...is a fool. Objectively, irrefutably...a fool. Plain and simple.

That said...a little house-keeping is in order for some of you FAKE NEWS "facts", above:

-"The Left" didn't create Trump. Trump is that direct byproduct of the groundswell of racial resentment within the culturally conservative white middle class community in the aftermath of the election of Barack Obama. It began with the Tea Movement (which was a fake, astroturf movement created by the Kochs and others), and culminated with Trump.

• -Independents did not swing toward Trump. In FACT, the split margin for self-identified "Independents" was the same as the 2012 election
• -Democrats did NOT swing toward Trump in 2016. In FACT, Trump got only 8% of the Democratic vote, same as Romney in 2012.
• -In FACT, the 2016 election was decided by MINORITY turnout, which was down somewhat from 2012, 2008 and 2004.

Uh huh. You guys were spewing all this garbage about Trump 24/7 like no other president in history has had to deal with and you fell over backwards when Hillary lost. TWICE.

Now you (And Hillary) have spent two years coming up with list after list as to why you lost blaming people who voted for Trump racism, Islamophobia, misogynist, cultist, womanizers.

So either 63 million people are all these things who got this cult together to get Trump elected, or Hillary was just to scummy to stomach.

Think I'll go with Hillary being scummy. Thanks for playing.

 

[Pound4abrown]

Easy. No Democrat would ever do it and, if a Republican were to do so, all we'd hear is wailing about political payback, as though prosecuting crimes should have an ideological litmus test. That Biden committed a crime is obvious. What's amazing is that he's dumb enough (or brazen enough knowing he'll get away with it) to brag about it publicly. He also took his son along on AF2 to China where more "business dealings" occurred. One can only imagine what quid pro quo went down. It's as corrupt as it gets.

Seems like a bunch of excuses. If he did it, why not prosecute, it has nothing to do with democrats or republicans, as he is not office at the present time.

 

[Condor060]

What it really tells us is how masterful Republican Media is. They can take a person and make them seem horrible compared to the biggest crook in the country.

Is that why she lost, Twice.

I give Fox News and Rush Limbaugh massive credit. They knew you guys were so gullible you would elect John Gotti. And they really only had to play on two of your fears.

Ok, So what are you going to say about the Democrats and Independents who voted for Trump? Its like the story of Noah. You need a miracle to explain the miracle to explain the miracle that explains the miracle.

Or maybe Hillary was just a bad choice.